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Coach Search Options after Autry

Benches clearing brawl to end St. Louis vs.VCU game. Not a good look and it looks like there was a brawl last year also according to one comment.


Watching this game last night, I think Hodgson’s team might play a little tougher and more physical. SLU is a lot of one on one based on matchups. Both teams like to jack up a lot of threes. Both are good coaches, but Hodgson might be the better recruiter. With that being said, we’ll probably end up with an unknown. If there are buys out in play, I can see SU going cheap.
 
Watching this game last night, I think Hodgson’s team might play a little tougher and more physical. SLU is a lot of one on one based on matchups. Both teams like to jack up a lot of threes. Both are good coaches, but Hodgson might be the better recruiter. With that being said, we’ll probably end up with an unknown. If there are buys out in play, I can see SU going cheap.
They will not be going cheap.
 
If there are buys out in play, I can see SU going cheap.
They can't continue going cheap. I mean two Big Monday timeslots and an ABC Saturday game after a 14-19 season. No one gets the treatment that Syracuse gets from an exposure standpoint for the level of results we've been putting out recently. Obviously the timeslots say a lot about the fan base and followers that bring ratings. You can't continue to go cheap and expect to make money, so that's the only optimistic mindset that they treat this seriously.
 
In a perfect world, SU would hire a Chancellor who would hire the AD who would hire the new basketball coach. But it's not a perfect world, and unless decisions are already made on the first two, JW has to make the call on firing and hiring or we miss out on the top candidates. There just isn't time to wait.

Plus JW is here til July 1. Do the job you are paid to do. Make the hard decisions. Same thing I had to do when I retired last year (as should anyone in a leadership role): I picked my replacement, got him set up and operational, hired key managers for him during that transition window, and did the job for my 3 month handoff. I expect JW to make decisions, including a new hire, within 5-10 days after the target hire is out of the NCAA tournament.

Make the call JW, and make it an up and comer who wants to be in Syracuse, the cold, and the ACC.
 
Arkansas State was 13-20 before he got there.

It’s the same system Bama runs and he was Oats top recruiter until he left which is a lot better than the system Gmac runs.

There is no comparison to how they play to how we play. Zero.

And GMac's team only won 4 games the year before he arrived.
Does that mean he's a better coach?

Bama's offense relies on having great athletes.
How different is that from ours?
They keep moving, and we don't.
But when our guys do move, it looks pretty similar.
 
And GMac's team only won 4 games the year before he arrived.
Does that mean he's a better coach?

Bama's offense relies on having great athletes.
How different is that from ours?
They keep moving, and we don't.
But when our guys do move, it looks pretty similar.
Yes it does. But I think Autry’s biggest downfall is not being able to get the players to do it all the time. That is arguably the biggest job of a coach in my opinion
 
And GMac's team only won 4 games the year before he arrived.
Does that mean he's a better coach?

Bama's offense relies on having great athletes.
How different is that from ours?
They keep moving, and we don't.
But when our guys do move, it looks pretty similar.
South Florida has worse talent than us now and would be a favorite over us on a neutral court.
 
Yes it does. But I think Autry’s biggest downfall is not being able to get the players to do it all the time. That is arguably the biggest job of a coach in my opinion

Absolutely correct. At times this year, we have looked great.
But we are too inconsistent, and we lack mental toughness.
 
I mean, yes and no, right?

There were clear candidates last year — just like there are this year, and just like there are every year. In today’s landscape, the major publications actually do a pretty good job of identifying the top coaching candidates. Will some of them miss? Of course. Will there be an under-the-radar guy who breaks through? Absolutely. Every job comes with its own unique challenges.

Last cycle, the top five names were Ben McCollum, Darian DeVries, Will Wade, Ryan Odom, and Niko Medved. In my opinion, there was a noticeable drop-off from Odom to Medved.

Here’s how they’ve performed YTD:

  • McCollum – 19–7 (Iowa)
  • Wade – 19–8 (NC State)
  • DeVries – 17–9 (Indiana)
  • Odom – 23–3 (Virginia)
  • Medved – 12–14 (Minnesota)

Syracuse doesn’t need to get cute here. They don’t need to hunt for some hidden gem just to prove they’re the smartest people in the room. They don’t need a search committee trying to “leave no stone unturned.” They just need to be smart and hire one of the best coaches available. If they overthink this and miss, it could set the program back even further. But if they land one of the top coaches on the market, the perception — and momentum — shifts immediately if they struggle like a Medved there is still upside in that Syracuse is spending like a serious program should. This isn’t the football program, where you might have to take a flyer on someone no one else is targeting. Syracuse basketball is still a brand a diminishing brand but still a brand.
I’m so glad you posted this Phil. I have been hinting at this in other posts and glad you put it together. FWIW, I think Nico Medved is gonna turn out to be a fantastic coach. He did a great job at Colorado State. Minnesota is a tough situation/program to turn around (similar to Nebraska), and it’s gonna take some time, certainly more than 1 year. But I believe he’ll succeed. He just needs time, and I think he’ll get it because he’s from Minneapolis and is a Minnesota grad. He’ll be very good for them in the long run.
 
Add that to my list. Beat Schertz in postseason play by 25 while being at a school in a lesser conference with lesser resources. I think Schertz will be a great hire for an Ohio State, UCLA type of school but I don’t see it being as great a fit here. People forget too, St. Louis was a disappointment last year. It’s taken Schertz a solid year or two at each of his respective rebuilds (which is fine don’t get me wrong). Hodgson has shown more of an ability to turn things around right from year one. I feel like Syracuse needs some immediate juice and Hodgson has done that at literally every spot he’s been at.
Taking 2-3 years to rebuild a program is not a problem at all. That’s a bizarre comment. You need to study Schertz and his offensive philosophy. He’s proved it at every level, and built a D2 power at Lincoln Memorial when he was a young coach, and has proven himself at two different mid majors now. It only took him one year to turn St Louis around, and they weren’t even that bad last year. Syracuse would be a perfect long term spot for him.
 
Confused by the repeated Syracuse is cheap comments. It feels like to me JW has found budget as needed for football for example. Are people saying we are cheap because we won't pony up $8m per year or something? Most dont.
The top 25 salaries range from $3.8mm (Greg Gard Wisconsin)at 25 to over $8mm to Bill Self at Kansas. Only 12 coaches make over $5mm.
To me if Syracuse was "cheap" it would have to be less than $2mm maybe?
It is generally believed Red is making around $3mm per year. That means Syracuse would only be off $800k to be paying one of the top 25 salaries. Which they could easily accommodate.
 
Taking 2-3 years to rebuild a program is not a problem at all. That’s a bizarre comment. You need to study Schertz and his offensive philosophy. He’s proved it at every level, and built a D2 power at Lincoln Memorial when he was a young coach, and has proven himself at two different mid majors now. It only took him one year to turn St Louis around, and they weren’t even that bad last year. Syracuse would be a perfect long term spot for him.
I don't want someone who has no previous ties to our recruiting area, Schertz will not work coming here. And after 10+ years of bad results the next coach has to hit the ground running and make the tournament.
No more waiting for 2 or 3 years to see if we have the right guy.
 
Confused by the repeated Syracuse is cheap comments. It feels like to me JW has found budget as needed for football for example. Are people saying we are cheap because we won't pony up $8m per year or something? Most dont.
The top 25 salaries range from $3.8mm (Greg Gard Wisconsin)at 25 to over $8mm to Bill Self at Kansas. Only 12 coaches make over $5mm.
To me if Syracuse was "cheap" it would have to be less than $2mm maybe?
It is generally believed Red is making around $3mm per year. That means Syracuse would only be off $800k to be paying one of the top 25 salaries. Which they could easily accommodate.
Red isn't making $3m per year.
 
Confused by the repeated Syracuse is cheap comments. It feels like to me JW has found budget as needed for football for example. Are people saying we are cheap because we won't pony up $8m per year or something? Most dont.
The top 25 salaries range from $3.8mm (Greg Gard Wisconsin)at 25 to over $8mm to Bill Self at Kansas. Only 12 coaches make over $5mm.
To me if Syracuse was "cheap" it would have to be less than $2mm maybe?
It is generally believed Red is making around $3mm per year. That means Syracuse would only be off $800k to be paying one of the top 25 salaries. Which they could easily accommodate.

We went cheap on the head coaching hire for football.
 
Misses the mark. SU has poured money into adding additional staff and support positions, upgrades like Kehres and Castillo, retaining Nixon, and max scholarships. $$$ is being invested in the program across the board.

They were able to do that by going cheap on the head coach.

Still up in the air on if that was a good or bad decision.
 
What is he making?
Bulldog made this post that isn't specific but gives an idea

 
Bulldog made this post that isn't specific but gives an idea

Interesting and helpful, thx MS. So that tells us not necessarily SU is cheap but pay relative to experience and market. Said differently they didn't over pay for Red.
That doesn't make SU cheap, they just took the same path Duke and UNC did and gave the assistant a prove it opportunity.
 

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