Coach Search Options after Autry

[35kcuse]

I’ll eat these words and own up if I’m wrong but I think he fits this era of college hoops just like Oats does. He would be an injection of youth at the position, just as Fran has been and bring a swagger even if that has negatives in terms of being over the top or seeming like an arrogant .

Couldn’t agree more. You kind of need an Oats’ kind of edge to your coach to be successful in high major hoops. Someone who other fan bases hate but would love if they had. Hodgson fits that mold. You know who else did?

Jim Boeheim.

 

[PhatOrange]

Drain the swamp

 

[Cuse2023]

That is not what they think. Having experienced a bit of this with my effort to get Adam W back in good graces with the school and vice versa, no one on the board thinks boy, I'm really hurting the University by my decision. Or, that this isn't the best decision for the University. Keep in mind, these people have all been incredibly successful in their lives. Because you don't agree with their decisions doesn't make you right or wrong. It means you have a difference of opinion.

It's almost as if the decision making is nuanced

There is a clear wrong answer to this. Mike Hopkins is the wrong answer.

If you cannot clearly see that, then you are not paying attention.

 

[dasher]

I don't think it is a matter of adults making the right decision. What we need is someone to emerge to unite all the parties, come to a conclusion and get everyone together to right this ship. It is disturbing to me that there people that will only donate to Nil if their party gets the job. I don't understand at all above everything else I don't understand about this mess.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Keep in mind, these people have all been incredibly successful in their lives. Because you don't agree with their decisions doesn't make you right or wrong. It means you have a difference of opinion.

Sure have. But the question isn't how successful they've been, but how successful the university has been under their watch.

And it ain't great.

 

[Irishsecra1]

The decision will be done before that. Per people on the board GMac has already said he doesn't want the job so no need to keep dropping his name. Hodgson winning the conference tournament in his first season in a program will not be a make-or-break on him getting the job.

My understanding is he does not want to be the one to replace Red.
They are good friends and I think he would feel like a traitor.

That's why he most likely wont be the SU coach in the foreseeable future.

But I would rather have him than Hopkins.
Hopkins didn't really impress with his Washington results.

 

[dasher]

There is a clear wrong answer to this. Mike Hopkins is the wrong answer.

If you cannot clearly see that, then you are not paying attention.

First, I am paying attention. Second, I am not making the decision but I yield to you that you have made countless decisions like this. Third, unless you can't read, I have said my choice is BH. Fourth, the people on the Board are all very successful. It's not like they are dumb people. Fifth, save that kind of response to me. I won't have it.

 

[richmondcuse03]

That is not what they think. Having experienced a bit of this with my effort to get Adam W back in good graces with the school and vice versa, no one on the board thinks boy, I'm really hurting the University by my decision. Or, that this isn't the best decision for the University. Keep in mind, these people have all been incredibly successful in their lives. Because you don't agree with their decisions doesn't make you right or wrong. It means you have a difference of opinion.

sadly a lot of folks on the BoT are not clued into the day to day of athletics and what it takes to win. You have a lot of older folks who dont understand how much things have changed, too.

 

[dasher]

sadly a lot of folks on the BoT are not clued into the day to day of athletics and what it takes to win. You have a lot of older folks who dont understand how much things have changed, too.

And they won't be making the decision. They will be going along with the decision.

 

[007]

There is a clear wrong answer to this. Mike Hopkins is the wrong answer.

If you cannot clearly see that, then you are not paying attention.

Context is important here if you going to accuse others of not paying attention. The posts you linked were in response to how the decision making process at a private university is influenced by multiple factors beyond whether or not Mike Hopkins is the wrong answer for the basketball program.

 

[Cuse2023]

First, I am paying attention. Second, I am not making the decision but I yield to you that you have made countless decisions like this. Third, unless you can't read, I have said my choice is BH. Fourth, the people on the Board are all very successful. It's not like they are dumb people. Fifth, save that kind of response to me. I won't have it.

I am speaking in general terms. You do not need to take things so personally.

Relax.

 

[dasher]

I am speaking in general terms. You do not need to take things so personally.

Relax.

Fine. But you said you. Perhaps They would have been a better word to use.

 

[phil77]

Sure have. But the question isn't how successful they've been, but how successful the university has been under their watch.

And it ain't great.

Correct, they are mutually exclusive. Just because they are successful in their personal life or their other business endeavors doesn't mean they know what it takes to run an athletic department or what to look for in a basketball coach. Smart people make dumb decisions all the time, and I have seen smart people make the same mistakes over and over again.

 

[jdubs30]

I’m really confused. We have many of the same people who have said it’ll either be Hodgson or Hopkins also saying there’s a list of other candidates.

Do these other candidates know that they have zero chance?

Or is everyone in-the-know really just spitballing?

It would be irresponsible to only have a 2-man list, especially considering when we hired Red we didn’t even interview anyone externally.

I’m sure there is a lengthy list but it’s obvious who the top few candidates are

 

[Cappy3]

That is not what they think. Having experienced a bit of this with my effort to get Adam W back in good graces with the school and vice versa, no one on the board thinks boy, I'm really hurting the University by my decision. Or, that this isn't the best decision for the University. Keep in mind, these people have all been incredibly successful in their lives. Because you don't agree with their decisions doesn't make you right or wrong. It means you have a difference of opinion.

While I appreciate your pov, and actually agree with most of it, saying we can’t determine if their decisions are right or wrong seems shaky considering their decision to hire Autry. Past behavior frequently is a guide to future behavior.

 

[dollarbill44]

8 years as an assistant under Oates > 22 years as an assistant under JB. Ya get it yet????

20 years ago, I would say no. In the current college sports environment, it just might be.

 

[RedtheGOB]

sadly a lot of folks on the BoT are not clued into the day to day of athletics and what it takes to win. You have a lot of older folks who dont understand how much things have changed, too.

After reading all this stuff, my gut tells me that the school's bar is just to make the tournament every year.

That lines up with your comment about the older folks on the bot that just think you show up to the tourney and make final 4's like the old man did with a zone that allows 45 points a game.

The reality is that these HC choices (all of them) and the money being floated mean Sweet 16's maybe once every 10 years and no final 4's any time soon. Sneaking into a National ranking or finishing above 4th in the ACC longshots too. The glory days of winning conferences and deep runs are long gone.

I also think JW is no fool, he's on the committee this year. He prob already knows it's a 76 team tourney next year. 8 ACC is the usual projection so You're prob looking at 10 ACC teams getting in per year with expansion and that means we just gotta be better than 8 ACC teams. Even with the cluster that is this season we sit at 12th.

At least from my pov it's tourney as the bar but not much higher than that. Maybe when legislation or the brand picks back up or some corporate spenders come in like micron but right now it's a low bar...

 

[sweetpea]

I don't get where Hop's power base is coming from? Old timers who want to reward him for being the good soldier when he got screwed over by JB? I assume we are giving him the courtesy of a conversation and will hire a much more modern candidate - at least for hoops coach. Again the AD hire is more important to me.

My thoughts as well. Where are all these backers coming from after being away so long. He has been gone 10 years. His 4-5 stretch filling in for JB in 2015/16 was a disaster no different than we've seen from Red the past three years.

 

[Blanko97]

I never said it was a done deal. What I said was that I thought, and still do, that BH will get the job. But Hop is making a run at it. It will come down to who is making the decision and what is used to influence them.

oh!

 

[Cusefan0307]

Hire Hodgson and win. It’s as simple as that. Too much focus on money. The B12 is dirt poor compared to other conferences and still runs circles around us because of the coaching.

Hops ceiling is probably Eric Musselman at best.

 

[Scooch]

After reading all this stuff, my gut tells me that the school's bar is just to make the tournament every year.

I don’t even think the bar is every year. Seems like the bar is “often” which might be something like 5 tourneys every 10 years. Reading the tea leaves about money, facilities (e.g. the notorious and infamous treadmills), etc. makes me think the university has lowered its expectations immensely in recent years.

 

[richmondcuse03]

After reading all this stuff, my gut tells me that the school's bar is just to make the tournament every year.

That lines up with your comment about the older folks on the bot that just think you show up to the tourney and make final 4's like the old man did with a zone that allows 45 points a game.

The reality is that these HC choices (all of them) and the money being floated mean Sweet 16's maybe once every 10 years and no final 4's any time soon. Sneaking into a National ranking or finishing above 4th in the ACC longshots too. The glory days of winning conferences and deep runs are long gone.

I also think JW is no fool, he's on the committee this year. He prob already knows it's a 76 team tourney next year. 8 ACC is the usual projection so You're prob looking at 10 ACC teams getting in per year with expansion and that means we just gotta be better than 8 ACC teams. Even with the cluster that is this season we sit at 12th.

At least from my pov it's tourney as the bar but not much higher than that. Maybe when legislation or the brand picks back up or some corporate spenders come in like micron but right now it's a low bar...

I dont think that's it. But you have to imagine they're looking at the finances too. And rev share has had a big impact on the bottom line. You could run things at breakeven before. All of a sudden you have a $20M hit. If someone comes along and says they could raise a lot of money...I think a lot of people would listen.

 

[General20]

Jason Hart on that short list as well…

We can only have a head coach whose last name starts with H, I know that for sure ...

 

[Blanko97]

Hiring a search firm is a waste of money and resources.

Its worth millions if it means you as the next AD get to blame someone else lol

 

[orangepassion]

things change, money talks, I still thinks it's BH, but Hop has a shot.

I refuse to believe it. After the Autry debacle, I can't see how they would double down on stupid.