Coach Search Options after Autry

[sufan59]

As posted on Reddit by a Univ. of South Florida fan:

The social media dialogue with them is funny lol. I'm rooting for USF in March, everything short of a contract extension that is lol.

 

[phil77]

The social media dialogue with them is funny lol. I'm rooting for USF in March, everything short of a contract extension that is lol.

If Cuse2023 is correct, Hodgson isn't signing a contract extension with them, and if we haven't locked him up before March Madness starts then that is a terrible move and miscalculation on our part, because if they do win their conference tournament, they will be one of the media favorites for the 12/11 seed upset, because they score so much and play pressure defense. That media attention will draw in other universities, so if he is our guy, we need to lock it up before then. We have just over 2 weeks to make that happen behind the scenes.

 

[nyucuse]

If Cuse2023 is correct, Hodgson isn't signing a contract extension with them, and if we haven't locked him up before March Madness starts then that is a terrible move and miscalculation on our part, because if they do win their conference tournament, they will be one of the media favorites for the 12/11 seed upset, because they score so much and play pressure defense. That media attention will draw in other universities, so if he is our guy, we need to lock it up before then. We have just over 2 weeks to make that happen behind the scenes.

Surely the administration is making calls. I would be absolutely shocked if there aren’t discussions taking place now. That said, unlikely that he or anyone else has been confirmed as the new HC. The question is, is there a scenario where we have a coach committed silently before the tournament kicks off…

 

[phil77]

Surely the administration is making calls. I would be absolutely shocked if there aren’t discussions taking place now. That said, unlikely that he or anyone else has been confirmed as the new HC. The question is, is there a scenario where we have a coach committed silently before the tournament kicks off…

Most coaches last year were locked up before March Madness started, at least 3 from the rumor mill were signed, but not made public. That is the new norm if you know who your coach is. If you don't know and unsure, that is a different story. Most of the time some lucky game in March won't dictate a coaching hire.

 

[Chip]

Yeah could you imagine if they did a search in 2017 after the final four run what kind of candidates they would have had then too? I know hop was supposed to get the job then but goodness that’s where all this went wrong in my opinion

It went wrong about 20 years before that when the legend decided to make babies in his early to mid 50s.

 

[rrlbees]

If Cuse2023 is correct, Hodgson isn't signing a contract extension with them, and if we haven't locked him up before March Madness starts then that is a terrible move and miscalculation on our part, because if they do win their conference tournament, they will be one of the media favorites for the 12/11 seed upset, because they score so much and play pressure defense. That media attention will draw in other universities, so if he is our guy, we need to lock it up before then. We have just over 2 weeks to make that happen behind the scenes.

The only definite lock him up is by signing a contract. Which he can’t do prior to the end of their season unless he plans on resigning before the NCAA tournament.

 

[phil77]

The only definite lock him up is by signing a contract. Which he can’t do prior to the end of their season unless he plans on resigning before the NCAA tournament.

Verbal agreements can absolutely happen before a season ends. It happened multiple times last year. Obviously, nothing can be made “official” or signed until the timing is right, so it really depends on how you define “lock him up.” If a verbal agreement is in place, I’d consider that locked up.

For example, Darian DeVries’ deal was reportedly agreed to before the season ended and then announced after the final game. The same thing happened with Ben McCollum to Iowa; the agreement was done, and it was announced right after Drake’s season ended.

Call it whatever you want, but these things are often decided well before the official announcement is made and the pen is officially put to paper.

 

[orangecuse]

Verbal agreements can absolutely happen before a season ends. It happened multiple times last year. Obviously, nothing can be made “official” or signed until the timing is right, so it really depends on how you define “lock him up.” If a verbal agreement is in place, I’d consider that locked up.

For example, Darian DeVries’ deal was reportedly agreed to before the season ended and then announced after the final game. The same thing happened with Ben McCollum to Iowa; the agreement was done, and it was announced right after Drake’s season ended.

Call it whatever you want, but these things are often decided well before the official announcement is made and the pen is officially put to paper.

 

[atlanticuse]

USF is a wanna-be program!

more like USFT (mix up the letters)

 

[Brooky03]

more like USFT (mix up the letters)

FUST

 

[rrlbees]

Verbal agreements can absolutely happen before a season ends. It happened multiple times last year. Obviously, nothing can be made “official” or signed until the timing is right, so it really depends on how you define “lock him up.” If a verbal agreement is in place, I’d consider that locked up.

For example, Darian DeVries’ deal was reportedly agreed to before the season ended and then announced after the final game. The same thing happened with Ben McCollum to Iowa; the agreement was done, and it was announced right after Drake’s season ended.

Call it whatever you want, but these things are often decided well before the official announcement is made and the pen is officially put to paper.

verbal agreements as well as agreements in principle can change or gotten out of. and i was disagreeing with the lock him up part.

 

[Bayside44]

verbal agreements as well as agreements in principle can change or gotten out of. and i was disagreeing with the lock him up part.

John Harbaugh had a verbal agreement (enough to tweet it out) on a Wednesday and his agent was talking to the Titans the following Saturday.

Agree with the premise but need the ink / DocuSign.

 

[Sherman20]

Curry Hicks Sage discussed Syracuse on his latest Spaces tonight. Not the biggest fan of the guy, but he does have good sources. Mike Waters was listening in the session but didn't say anything. A rundown of the most important takes:

- Source told him that SU will make an AD hire in "72 hours". Norlander wrote the hire will come before March 10th.
- Lyke was never likely to get the AD job, even before tonight's news. Wondered how she was even hired at Syracuse in the first place (That makes all of us).
- The money is there to fire Autry, but conversations with new HC candidates are not underway like they are for other imminently open jobs, like Providence.
- It could be worth it for SU to overpay for Schertz given the "lack of sure fire candidates" in this search.
- Hodgson is "really good", "a young, upstate NY guy who would love to be at Syracuse", "viable candidate" for the job. Could bring a lot of excitement, especially if he gets hot in the tournament.
- Brought up Matt Langel (YAWN).
- Hopkins is "awesome" but can't overlook his bad record at UW. "Had a little bit of success but didn't really get it done".
- Seemed that he didn't know much about the Melo/Hopkins rumors, but did say that the new AD can't let Melo have too much input in the HC search just because he is Melo.
- Said that Lally is "involved" in basketball, which contradicts what some have said on here. Wondered if the new coach can end the "drama" that exists between him and Weitsman. Getting the two potential biggest donors for the program aligned in one direction would help any program, but Syracuse isn't the only place dealing with that type of infighting.

Verbal agreements can absolutely happen before a season ends. It happened multiple times last year. Obviously, nothing can be made “official” or signed until the timing is right, so it really depends on how you define “lock him up.” If a verbal agreement is in place, I’d consider that locked up.

For example, Darian DeVries’ deal was reportedly agreed to before the season ended and then announced after the final game. The same thing happened with Ben McCollum to Iowa; the agreement was done, and it was announced right after Drake’s season ended.

Call it whatever you want, but these things are often decided well before the official announcement is made and the pen is officially put to paper.

“The money is there to fire Autry, but conversations with new HC candidates are not underway like they are for other imminently open jobs, like Providence.”
Man, it sounds like we are behind the eight ball already. Even if Wildhack has announced his retirement, I really hope he’s laying the groundwork with Hodgson and Schertz’s agents and any other possible top candidates. And then he can give the new AD the possibilities and his recommendation. I really worry that the new guy, unless it’s Goodrich, isn’t going to be up to speed and knowledge on the candidates. Ugh. I almost hope Wildhack is making the hire in consultation with the BOT and whoever the new AD will be.

 

[kingtidge]

“The money is there to fire Autry, but conversations with new HC candidates are not underway like they are for other imminently open jobs, like Providence.”
Man, it sounds like we are behind the eight ball already. Even if Wildhack has announced his retirement, I really hope he’s laying the groundwork with Hodgson and Schertz’s agents and any other possible top candidates. And then he can give the new AD the possibilities and his recommendation. I really worry that the new guy, unless it’s Goodrich, isn’t going to be up to speed and knowledge on the candidates. Ugh. I almost hope Wildhack is making the hire in consultation with the BOT and whoever the new AD will be.

If we've really been sitting on our hands and not backchannelling with target coach agents, well that's unfortunate.

At the same time, the new AD will want to plot his own path with this hire and that is to be expected...

Was just hoping Wildhack and his team had worked a target list, done some agent backchannelling, and was prepared with a hand-the-baton pack of info with ranked targets and discussion status/deets for the new AD to immediately get up to speed on... Maybe the new AD goes in a different direction altogether, but at least we wouldn't starting from ground zero, while other schools actively negotiate with agents for our likley HC targets.

Getting a late start now isn't the end of the world (could be later) but the liklihood we get caught out with no chair when the music stops, with our prime targets deciding to go elsewhere to schools in advanced negotiations with them, goes up with every passing day.

Still time, but the new AD and his search team are going to have to hit the ground running, be efficient, and work quickly on this if we are starting from ground zero.

 

[Briancuse]

The social media dialogue with them is funny lol. I'm rooting for USF in March, everything short of a contract extension that is lol.

What a bs sign minus the drinking before 10 am is ok

 

[RF2044]

“The money is there to fire Autry, but conversations with new HC candidates are not underway like they are for other imminently open jobs, like Providence.”
Man, it sounds like we are behind the eight ball already. Even if Wildhack has announced his retirement, I really hope he’s laying the groundwork with Hodgson and Schertz’s agents and any other possible top candidates. And then he can give the new AD the possibilities and his recommendation. I really worry that the new guy, unless it’s Goodrich, isn’t going to be up to speed and knowledge on the candidates. Ugh. I almost hope Wildhack is making the hire in consultation with the BOT and whoever the new AD will be.

Or alternatively, the back channel discussion ARE occurring, but ADJW doesn't want to say more at this time. Autry hasn't even been fired yet. And there's no need to discuss any details publicly while things are still in-flight, potentially with negotiations with a favored candidate. So you just keep the talking points neutral.

 

[phil77]

“The money is there to fire Autry, but conversations with new HC candidates are not underway like they are for other imminently open jobs, like Providence.”
Man, it sounds like we are behind the eight ball already. Even if Wildhack has announced his retirement, I really hope he’s laying the groundwork with Hodgson and Schertz’s agents and any other possible top candidates. And then he can give the new AD the possibilities and his recommendation. I really worry that the new guy, unless it’s Goodrich, isn’t going to be up to speed and knowledge on the candidates. Ugh. I almost hope Wildhack is making the hire in consultation with the BOT and whoever the new AD will be.

Oh I see that is a quote for Curry Hicks Sage, not a quote from someone from the University, scared me for a minute.

 

[kingtidge]

Surely the administration is making calls. I would be absolutely shocked if there aren’t discussions taking place now. That said, unlikely that he or anyone else has been confirmed as the new HC. The question is, is there a scenario where we have a coach committed silently before the tournament kicks off…

Be shocked.

It's being reported no backchanneling with coach agents is going on with us currently and that we will not start the HC search process untill the new AD is in place.

Hopefully those reports are untrue.

 

[Starman]

Be shocked.

It's being reported no backchanneling with coach agents is going on with us currently and that we will not start the HC search process untill the new AD is in place.

Hopefully those reports are untrue.

I'd guess it depends on how you define what "the start of the HC search process" is. We've certainly kicked the tires on a few coaches, and some kicked back. Chris Mack was supposedly ruled out already (who ruled out who, I don't know), and the reason Hopkins showed up in Cuse recently wasn't because he missed Wegmans.

I mean, I have no confirmation of either event, but I certainly believe them.

 

[kingtidge]

I'd guess it depends on how you define what "the start of the HC search process" is. We've certainly kicked the tires on a few coaches, and some kicked back. Chris Mack was supposedly ruled out already (who ruled out who, I don't know), and the reason Hopkins showed up in Cuse recently wasn't because he missed Wegmans.

I mean, I have no confirmation of either event, but I certainly believe them.

Yeah, I dunno the extent of the HC coach/agent conversations, but the discussion reported above basically implied lip service so far to queries and "we need our new AD before we can discuss any of this with you definitively" type of responses, if anything.

Again, hoping that is not the case, but could also understand why it might be... You can't really have serious negotiations with a target agent/coach without a decision-making AD involved.

 

[CuseTroop]

I'd guess it depends on how you define what "the start of the HC search process" is. We've certainly kicked the tires on a few coaches, and some kicked back. Chris Mack was supposedly ruled out already (who ruled out who, I don't know), and the reason Hopkins showed up in Cuse recently wasn't because he missed Wegmans.

I mean, I have no confirmation of either event, but I certainly believe them.

Maybe it wasn't the MAIN reason, but I'd bet a Danny's Favorite was a big part of him wanting to swing back through

 

[Starman]

Maybe it wasn't the MAIN reason, but I'd bet a Danny's Favorite was a big part of him wanting to swing back through

I mean, if you're already there then you're gonna do it. I used to load up my suitcase with moon cookies after visiting the Cuse, lol.

 

[kingtidge]

I mean, if you're already there then you're gonna do it. I used to load up my suitcase with moon cookies after visiting the Cuse, lol.

Harrison Bakery snack pack!

That's a carry-on worth packing!

 

[djorange1989]

I'd guess it depends on how you define what "the start of the HC search process" is. We've certainly kicked the tires on a few coaches, and some kicked back. Chris Mack was supposedly ruled out already (who ruled out who, I don't know), and the reason Hopkins showed up in Cuse recently wasn't because he missed Wegmans.

I mean, I have no confirmation of either event, but I certainly believe them.

It’s because he missed Varsity. And Wegmans.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

It’s because he missed Varsity. And Wegmans.

I come back for the Cajun pasta at Big Fella's.