Coach Search Options after Autry

[Fly Rodder]

Louisville fans aren’t terribly happy with Kelsey. If he loses early he’s going to get crushed.

This is one of the (many) reasons why I think a family hire isn’t the right one at this time. Red’s hire burned a ton of patience & goodwill from fans. Hop & Gmac would not get a ton of runway and there’s a very real chance that they get booed out of town when they stumble or take longer to get going. Bring in a bona fide program builder and if he fails early, eh, start new no bad feelings.

Gmac would be great like an Ol’ Roy hire. Let him go establish his cred at good P4 program and when the time comes, bring him in to win and retire Orange.

 

[phil77]

One of them also said this about Schertz on the pod, "one of the key figures on this year's carousel":
"I want to say he's gone. I just don't know where he's going... If you had asked me a week ago, I would've said Syracuse for him. And maybe I'll just stick with the idea that he's not going to be there [at Saint Louis]. But I'm a lot less confident in that than I was."
Interesting. I wonder if they think Hodgson is likely going to Syracuse now, and then the other open jobs (or jobs that are expected to open) are less appealing, and he might stay at Saint Louis one more year.

My guess would be a little of both. Schertz might gamble on himself and think he can get a better job than Syracuse next year. The gamble lies if he has a bad season he might be stuck at St Louis a little longer than expected.

 

[RF2044]

This is one of the (many) reasons why I think a family hire isn’t the right one at this time. Red’s hire burned a ton of patience & goodwill from fans. Hop & Gmac would not get a ton of runway and there’s a very real chance that they get booed out of town when they stumble or take longer to get going. Bring in a bona fide program builder and if he fails early, eh, start new no bad feelings.

Gmac would be great like an Ol’ Roy hire. Let him go establish his cred at good P4 program and when the time comes, bring him in to win and retire Orange.

Agree 100%, and have posted similar viewpoint in recent weeks.

 

[Owens guy]

It's crazy that these big schools in the B1G and SEC don't have the funds to fire and buy out their current basketball coaches and hire a new coaching staff.

They have the funds but choose to spend it on football instead. Schools are spending crazy $ on football.

I wonder if we are slowly moving to a time where the max $20M+ player fund goes 100% or almost all to football.

 

[Briancuse]

My guess would be a little of both. Schertz might gamble on himself and think he can get a better job than Syracuse next year. The gamble lies if he has a bad season he might be stuck at St Louis a little longer than expected.

Maybe it's just be but I'm getting the feeling hodgson is at top of the list right now.

 

[007]

It's crazy that these big schools in the B1G and SEC don't have the funds to fire and buy out their current basketball coaches and hire a new coaching staff.

They have the funds but choose to spend it on football instead. Schools are spending crazy $ on football.

I wonder if we are slowly moving to a time where the max $20M+ player fund goes 100% or almost all to football.

There is really no choice currently if you want to stay relevant for the End of Days conference reorganization that is looming. You must spend on football. That's part of the reason why the potential $30M influx being floated around the new HC hire would be so difficult for any university to walk away from. Even if that influx is short-term fool's gold (my personal opinion), it would allow for more funds to be shifted to football in the near term.

There is also a growing sense that entire model is unsustainable in its current form. Programs in the P4 are already facing significant funding deficits in their ADs. Something has to change. The next 5 years or so are going to be a period of transition.

Let's hope the new Chancellor and AD are visionaries and innovative.

 

[MSOrange]

Didn’t know where else to put this, but we thought JAB was the king of this:
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No lie - I was looking at this pic for 10 seconds trying to see who was picking their nose before I read the graphic.

 

[Nicknack]

No lie - I was looking at this pic for 10 seconds trying to see who was picking their nose before I read the graphic.

Ha. I was expecting to see someone sleeping.

 

[Cusefan0307]

 

[nyucuse]

One of them also said this about Schertz on the pod, "one of the key figures on this year's carousel":
"I want to say he's gone. I just don't know where he's going... If you had asked me a week ago, I would've said Syracuse for him. And maybe I'll just stick with the idea that he's not going to be there [at Saint Louis]. But I'm a lot less confident in that than I was."
Interesting. I wonder if they think Hodgson is likely going to Syracuse now, and then the other open jobs (or jobs that are expected to open) are less appealing, and he might stay at Saint Louis one more year.

It was Borzello, who is fairly reputable. I was thinking the same around Hodgson. I hope the admin (assuming a home run AD like NC) is planning on going big, meaning kicking the tires of and being aspirational. And if that yields Hodgson in the end, great.

 

[richmondcuse03]

I was about to post this CBS list from Norlander after I saw it this morning. I think our targets should be, in order:
1a.) Schertz, Saint Louis—We gotta make a play and a pitch for him, even if he turns it down. We might be the best job to open this off-season, and he's the most proven coach available, so I think you have to try for him.
1b.) Hodgson, South Florida—great fit, huge upside as a head coach, and we probably don't want to miss out on him while he's still rising.
3.) Jarrod Calhoun, Utah State—proven winner.
4.) Luke Murray—I know doesn't have head coaching experience, but I think his upside could be Tommy Lloyd high, he's an offensive mastermind, and has learned how to run a championship-level program at UConn. So maybe we should at least consider him if we can't get our top two choices, even though it would be something of a risk.
5.) Casey Alexander, Belmont
6.) Takayo Siddle, UNC Wilmington

Side note: Is it crazy not to include James Jones from Yale? He's built an Ivy League power there and is a proven winner, but he's now 62. We probably want a younger, hungry guy who will be here for years. But I could see him at least getting an interview.

To me, Hodgson is a relatively safe choice so I'd probably put him at 1, with Luke 2, because I think Luke has a lot of upside (with more risk given lack of HC capabilities).

I just don't see Schertz being interested for geographic reasons so I've kind of ignored him. But he's a safe choice like Hodgson.

 

[Sherman20]

To me, Hodgson is a relatively safe choice so I'd probably put him at 1, with Luke 2, because I think Luke has a lot of upside (with more risk given lack of HC capabilities).

I just don't see Schertz being interested for geographic reasons so I've kind of ignored him. But he's a safe choice like Hodgson.

Schertz was born in Brooklyn and grew up in NYC and Florida. Yes, he’s been in Indiana and Saint Louis in recent years, but he spent his assistant coaching years at Florida Atlantic and High Point and then like 12 years at D2 Lincoln Memorial in Tennessee, so he’s lived all over the east, southeast and Midwest. In fact, the ACC might be a better fit. That said, Hodgson also feels like a home run, too.

 

[Hawknate144]

Not that Takayo Siddle was really on our radar anymore, but he signed a 5 year extension with UNCW

 

[cusefan88]

Not that Takayo Siddle was really on our radar anymore, but he signed a 5 year extension with UNCW

Helps out UNCW when he leaves eventually with a good buyout number. Solid work for both sides.

 

[littlereg]

 

[kingtidge]

To me, Hodgson is a relatively safe choice so I'd probably put him at 1, with Luke 2, because I think Luke has a lot of upside (with more risk given lack of HC capabilities).

I just don't see Schertz being interested for geographic reasons so I've kind of ignored him. But he's a safe choice like Hodgson.

What about Tony Skinn? Has he been ruled out and off our target list??

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

What about Tony Skinn? Has he been ruled out and off our target list??

He was a hot name, but I think his heart is in the DMV.

 

[Sherman20]

Yeah, why would Schertz ever go to Kansas State? That’s almost as much of a backwater as Oklahoma State. It’s in a small town and in shadow of so many other bigger and better in-state and regional programs. Schertz is my #1. I think he’s a brilliant coach and has proven himself at every stop.

The issue for Syracuse going after Schertz is that if we court him, even behind the scenes first, we might blow our chances with Hodgson, who is also a fantastic candidate and might feel some way if he’s not the #1 target. He’s less proven than Schertz but his upside is huge and he’s proven at getting good players and runs a modern offensive system. I think either guy can get us quickly back to being a national power.

 

[PoppyHart]

Louisville fans aren’t terribly happy with Kelsey. If he loses early he’s going to get crushed.

I've seen some of the critiques on their board, but I would imagine it's a small subset of folks who think he's not getting 100% out of the team this year.

If those folks were anything less than absolutely giddy over the 2024-25 season, they deserve go back to the Payne era. This year had high expectations but never really seemed to take flight with Brown's injuries, but Kelsey still held everything together admirably imo. One bad, but somewhat justifiable loss to Stanford given the travel and no Brown.

If their fan base wants to move on, I'd happily bump him to the top of the list, ahead of Schertz and Hodgson.

 

[OttosDad]

Louisville fans aren’t terribly happy with Kelsey. If he loses early he’s going to get crushed.

Nobody tell that to Coach FLJ

 

[Sherman20]

I've seen some of the critiques on their board, but I would imagine it's a small subset of folks who think he's not getting 100% out of the team this year.

If those folks were anything less than absolutely giddy over the 2024-25 season, they deserve go back to the Payne era. This year had high expectations but never really seemed to take flight with Brown's injuries, but Kelsey still held everything together admirably imo. One bad, but somewhat justifiable loss to Stanford given the travel and no Brown.

If their fan base wants to move on, I'd happily bump him to the top of the list, ahead of Schertz and Hodgson.

Louisville almost hired Schertz two years ago, but the rumor is that he had already signed a memorandum of understanding with Saint Louis at that point, and they didn’t want to pay the penalty b/c it was too much. It’s been mentioned on here and on the Louisville fan forums.

 

[Cooper05]

Louisville almost hired Schertz two years ago, but the rumor is that he had already signed a memorandum of understanding with Saint Louis at that point, and they didn’t want to pay the penalty b/c it was too much. It’s been mentioned on here and on the Louisville fan forums.

Any chance Louisville would move on from Kelsey if say they lost in the 1st Rd? Try and get Schertz this time?

 

[Cusefan0307]

Any chance Louisville would move on from Kelsey if say they lost in the 1st Rd? Try and get Schertz this time?

They just gave Kelsey a raise and extended him. They would have to find 15 million to buy him out.

 

[Sherman20]

Any chance Louisville would move on from Kelsey if say they lost in the 1st Rd? Try and get Schertz this time?

I don’t see that. He’s as safe as can be in only year 2. And his buyout is probably astronomical.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

Yeah, why would Schertz ever go to Kansas State? That’s almost as much of a backwater as Oklahoma State. It’s in a small town and in shadow of so many other bigger and better in-state and regional programs. Schertz is my #1. I think he’s a brilliant coach and has proven himself at every stop.

The issue for Syracuse going after Schertz is that if we court him, even behind the scenes first, we might blow our chances with Hodgson, who is also a fantastic candidate and might feel some way if he’s not the #1 target. He’s less proven than Schertz but his upside is huge and he’s proven at getting good players and runs a modern offensive system. I think either guy can get us quickly back to being a national power.

Matt Norlander mentioned in passing that Syracuse has reached out to Schertz. I don't keep close enough tabs on all the threads on here to know if that's new news, but there you go. I also think this year is a buyer's market. We're the top job this go-round, but I don't know that anyone would put us in the top 15-20 jobs in the sport, which these days is mainly a reflection of NIL resources and donor attitudes and what your upside is within the conference.

Gary Parrish said that Schertz has SLU's gym packed even against the dregs of their conference. It's a really good situation for a midmajor in terms of resources and fanbase buy-in. Would he cash out now to go to an upper-middle power conference program (my descriptor) just because it pays more and gets you more resources but you'll rarely have a shot at a conference title and you could get swallowed up by a fanbase that doesn't have any regard for what you've done in the past, or would he prefer to get raises at SLU at least until a bigger job opens? That's the sort of thing he has to wrestle with, and I'm sure he has to a certain extent.