Coach Search Options after Autry

[phil77]

No, thats absolutely not what I'm saying. I'm encouraging everyone to post what they are hearing! Definitely was not criticizing you at all, you and the other insiders are awesome. My criticism is aimed at the people immediately discredited the poster who is claiming the providence/calhoun/schertz/gerry and Holloway frontrunner info. People immediately crapped on it

That is because is it a brand new account with zero posts coming in and saying stuff that is on twitter then telling us how good he is for getting obvious things correct. Other people have been here forever posting things and have the respect of others. A new person coming in and just randomly trying to act like an insider that nobody knows or has ever heard of is going to get crapped on.

 

[OttosShoes]

Bingo.

Also, all of this money comes from the same place = wealthy boosters.

The direct payments that schools can pay to players is not going to come from their general fund or media revenue. Schools are soliciting donors to fund it.

NIL is also funded by donors.

When people suggest that hoops-onlies have an advantage because "they don't have to pay football" it ignores the fact that the money is all coming from the same place = people. Hoops-onlies are inherently smaller schools with fewer alumni that give.

Maybe a few hoops-onlies have a whale who's happy to donate $10 million a year, but I doubt it.

Pretty much. I do think some revenue goes into it, but when I met with my donor rep dude last spring (I’m paraphrasing) he gave me some polite line about how the Lally Center was in a good place and how CAF has some other ideas for new donations.

“So you’re looking to help cover the $20m?”

“Well we are happy for donations to do all kinds of great…”

[I look unamused.]

“Yes we are hoping to offset what we can.”

 

[orange79]

I have to run out for a while.

I expect another 100 pages from you folks when I get back.

 

[Sherman20]

one caveat. yes its the same people donating to nil or revenue sharing. but i dont know about other schools but su didnt get anywhere near $20m in donations for rev sharing. so some $$$ does have to be budgeted by su.

The Dome is a morgue right now because the powers that be allowed attendance to crater with 5-7 years of basketball failure and not pivoting earlier. They’re leaving an insane amount of gate revenue on the table by putting out a poor product for a hungry fanbase. And it’s their own fault if they don’t have the funds to fully fund the revenue share.

 

[granthath9]

That is because is it a brand new account with zero posts coming in and saying stuff that is on twitter then telling us how good he is for getting obvious things correct. Other people have been here forever posting things and have the respect of others. A new person coming in and just randomly trying to act like an insider that nobody knows or has ever heard of is going to get crapped on.

Someone is really upset that everything I said is manifesting and is in denial. I told the truth, I wouldn’t lie just to make myself look better.

 

[Trueblue25]

His name has come up but I don't have anything concrete on that, you certainly could be right.

Would be hilarious and make perfect sense. JB always uses Vanderbilt specifically, and its Coach, when he talks about how even bad coaches can find success now with revenue sharing and NIL. Classic JB passive shade if somehow there’s been a longer connection between Cuse and Byington than we were aware of

 

[upperdeck]

There are tons of good coaches. Not every coach has a chance to build a good roster.

The better the league the more it matters.

There also a bunch of coaches with pretty good rosters doing a avg job.

There are AVG coaches with good rosters getting results too.

I dont most of us here can really tell the difference other than good rosters doing bad jobs.

 

[phil77]

Someone is really upset that everything I said is manifesting and is in denial. I told the truth, I wouldn’t lie just to make myself look better.

What did you get right? Schertz staying at SLU that was said by many people on this board weeks ago congrats.

 

[Scotch]

 

[TommyA13]

Hodgson to PC. Next man up.

According to?

 

[Briancuse]

I'm OK with hiring a coach other than Hodgson provided that it is on merit. What won't be cool is not hiring Hodgson because Gmac won a MAAC tourney game over a team that beat his a couple of weeks previously causing people lose their minds with nostalgia and taking a third bite at the Boeheim apple.

I'm not, honestly a disgrace if we lose this guy.

 

[malpearl31]

But there really isn’t — and shouldn’t be — a comparison here.

Now, if Providence were offering something like $8 million a year to coach and a $20 million NIL budget, then that’s a different conversation. But that isn’t reality.

If the packages are even remotely close, he’s not choosing Providence over Syracuse. Say Providence can put together $12 million in NIL, and Syracuse has $11 million. He’s not going to pick Providence in that situation, especially when he’s been pursuing the Syracuse job for two years. That just isn’t logical.

For Providence to actually win that battle, the package would have to be so far beyond Syracuse’s that it changes the equation entirely. And if Providence truly had that kind of financial package available, they could probably attract a bigger and more established name than Hodgson anyway.

On top of that, Syracuse is a Power 4 program in the ACC and one of the top basketball programs of all-time despite recent history, and Providence simply isn’t operating in that same tier

I hope you’re right, I think he’s going to be a good coach and the reports we’re all hearing about how he really wants the SU job have me pretty excited. But all it takes is one or two deep-pocketed boosters to guarantee NIL $, or one Athletic Director who decides to overpay… it’s easy to come up with a scenario where he goes elsewhere… plenty of people take the highest offer, a much lower percentage of people choose the “give the hometown team a discount” route.

 

[sufan59]

Would be hilarious and make perfect sense. JB always uses Vanderbilt specifically, and its Coach, when he talks about how even bad coaches can find success now with revenue sharing and NIL. Classic JB passive shade if somehow there’s been a longer connection between Cuse and Byington than we were aware of

Can SU even afford to poach Byington from Vandy?

 

[SanDiegoCuse]

I'd be a bit concerned. I liked Hodgson personally and thought he would be a good fit but I also didn't think it would be a slam dunk. I believe there were reservations at SU on him. That said I am not a fan of keeping it in the SU family, this now screams G-mac.

Can you speak to what the reservations were? Appreciate your info.

 

[granthath9]

What did you get right? Schertz staying at SLU that was said by many people on this board weeks ago congrats.

Calhoun to Cincinnati, Hodg to PC, Schertz staying at SLU which I’ll give it to you, was obvious.

 

[Orangezoo]

Of course, the casuals are picking up on it, and asking around it is all over twitter. And some media people like Goodman are saying BH to Providence makes the most sense etc.

That would be like some media guys coming out and saying Billy Donovan is in play for Syracuse. Our casual fans would go nuts all of social media and twitter would be talking about it non-stop.

Correct it’s a lot of smoke and he didn’t get a verification but still not good there is so much smoke .

 

[Trueblue25]

Can SU even afford to poach Byington from Vandy?

I was mostly laughing at the possibility. I doubt it though.

 

[Briancuse]

Calhoun to Cincinnati, Hodg to PC, Schertz staying at SLU which I’ll give it to you, was obvious.

Another 3 years of losing, can't wait.

 

[JeremyCuse]

So perhaps an even bigger fish from the proven hire department? Hodgson is going to be the real deal, so they got to get the deal done on an already proven real deal coach.

Certainly a possibility. Blair comes in with no prior allegiances be it negative or positive to the JB tree or prior candidates.

 

[sufan59]

I was mostly laughing at the possibility. I doubt it though.

Yeah it's more that Vandy cares about sports now. Very few schools could poach from them now, if any.

 

[PauliePeppas]

Calhoun to Cincinnati, Hodg to PC, Schertz staying at SLU which I’ll give it to you, was obvious.

Ok so who is Syracuse getting? I would also like the powerball numbers sir

 

[phil77]

Calhoun to Cincinnati, Hodg to PC, Schertz staying at SLU which I’ll give it to you, was obvious.

Calhoun stuff is easy we already talked about the jobs he would be looking at here and one was Cinncy if it opened up

Schertz staying at SLU is something discussed on here plenty.

Hodgson to PC is yet to be.

You can talk about Olen to Arizona State if you want credit for that later as well. We have talked about that plenty on this board as well.

 

[Briancuse]

Ok so who is Syracuse getting?

Hop and then in 3 years gmac

 

[Cstate]

No clue how all of this shakes out, but if Hodgson is the presumable #1 choice for both Cuse and P.C., then wouldn’t he also base a lot of his decision on which school in their own conference has the best chance to win. After all, if the money is somewhat comparable, all these alpha type coaches want to do is win! And if I’m him, I’m not quite sure Syracuse has the chance to jump over the likes of Duke, UNC, Virginia, among others. Not saying PC has a chance to jump over the likes of UConn or St. John’s, but it would sure seem a little easier. But again, I have no clue what exactly goes thru someone’s head getting ready to make a major decision like the ones some of these candidates are going to be asked to make in a relatively short period of time.

 

[rrlbees]

I have to run out for a while.

I expect another 100 pages from you folks when I get back.

we're gonna change the title of the thread.