Coach Search Options after Autry

[TexanMark]

I always laugh at these posts. Weather and state taxes.

Also when people say in order for a coach to be interested in Syracuse they have to have played or coached in the 315 area code or is non-starter.

Money talks...but when you are making millions...tax rates mean something

 

[TexanMark]

They don't even know how to spell Olean lol

 

[sufan59]

They don't even know how to spell Olean lol

I took that as there is smoke for Eric Olen, the coach of New Mexico. Not Olean, New York.

 

[PauliePeppas]

They don't even know how to spell Olean lol

Its about Eric Olen

 

[phil77]

Olen is a very good coach that would be a great hire from Providence especially if they are able to pull him out of the West Coast.

 

[CU44SE]

I think you guys missed the joke.

 

[granthath9]

Was gonna post about Olen. Sounds like he’s becoming the favorite very slowly. Two horse race at Providence now. Was just Hodgson

 

[Cusefan0307]

Was gonna post about Olen. Sounds like he’s becoming the favorite very slowly. Two horse race at Providence now. Was just Hodgson

Sounds like Sendek is a candidate as well...

 

[phil77]

Was gonna post about Olen. Sounds like he’s becoming the favorite very slowly. Two horse race at Providence now. Was just Hodgson

From what I can tell I think it is Olen and Sendek now. I think Providence feels or felt used by BH and are moving on. Olen is a terrific coach.

 

[swish7]

I don't agree. Happens all the time, in everyday life.

People get offered jobs, and then ask for more money all the time. It's called negotiation.

And if the person has leverage, or multiple offers, then they have nothing to lose by asking.

If the employer has psychological commitment to hiring that person, then it comes down to whether the counter-offer is reasonable or not. If it is, then they make a deal.

If I ask for a raise, am granted the raise, and later on learn my peers are still making more, and I up my ask, it won't reflect well on me.

Now, if the university is somehow retracting something they agreed to, thats different.

Or, if market factors change where to be competitive you need more budget, thats different too.

 

[heresjohnny88]

Was gonna post about Olen. Sounds like he’s becoming the favorite very slowly. Two horse race at Providence now. Was just Hodgson

on the providence board, there are a ton of posters who feel they are being used and want to move on.

 

[RF2044]

If I ask for a raise, am granted the raise, and later on learn my peers are still making more, and I up my ask, it won't reflect well on me.

Now, if the university is somehow retracting something they agreed to, thats different.

Or, if market factors change where to be competitive you need more budget, thats different too.

That's a different situation. Asking for a "RAISE" is after you've already formally entered into an agreement.

If before you sign that agreement, the employer offers you X salary, and you ask for a bit more -- that's called up front negotation -- and won't reflect negatively at all.

Now, if you asked for something outlandish, the company is within their rights to move on. That's because negotiation is a two way street.

 

[sufan59]

Olen is a very good coach that would be a great hire from Providence especially if they are able to pull him out of the West Coast.

Is he the guy that there was rumors around him looking at Boston College (which surprised people because they think he can do better, Providence would be better) to be close to Boston medical facilities for someone in his family? Providence is also close to Boston.

 

[Cusesky8214]

Goodman sucks

 

[Fly Rodder]

Something I saw the other day about how few programs rely on their alumni to coach their teams got me looking: In the last 25 years, there have been exactly three coaches to lead their alma mater to an NCAA Championship: Roy Williams (x2), Kevin Ollie, and Jim Boeheim. IIRC, only UNC among the P4 programs even has had consecutive alumni hires.

 

[jsshap]

It DOES happen all the time. A company offers a job, the candidate makes a counter-proposal for a bit more money [or additional vacation time, or a deferred starting time, or a bigger bonus, or additional tuition assistance, or any other benefit the candidate asks for from the company].

Why would the candidate risk losing credibility? It is different making those requests PRIOR to an agreement being formalized and agreed upon, versus when it is being negotiated.

Are there instances where the candidate just takes the first offer? Sure -- but it is ABSOLUTELY common for the candidate to negotiate.

If a contract is in place, that is different. But while it is being agreed to? That's called negotiation.

And jsshap, I know you are a lawyer, so if it came off above as me questioning your knowlege of contracts, that was not intended.

All good. You keep omitting the key fact - that prospective employee first sets forth their ask/demand and it's met. That's all I'm talking about. I don't think you're suggesting that in that situation it's common or well received to say "changed my mind here is my new demand" - it's plainly not - so I assume we don't really disagree. Sorry all.

 

[SanDiegoCuse]

Is he the guy that there was rumors around him looking at Boston College (which surprised people because they think he can do better, Providence would be better) to be close to Boston medical facilities for someone in his family? Providence is also close to Boston.

Yes. Olen has a special needs child who needs to be close to specific medical facilities. There was an article here when he coached at UCSD. Excellent coach, he’d do well there.

 

[Melancer46]

If Providence has so much money why has their best player who was a freshman already put his name in the portal?

Tbf could be one of those things where they end up giving him a bag to come back but yeah, I chuckled when I saw the news too

 

[phil77]

Yes. Olen has a special needs child who needs to be close to specific medical facilities. There was an article here when he coached at UCSD. Excellent coach, he’d do well there.

I think his style would fit the big east well. I think that is a better fit for him than BC.

 

[granthath9]

Sounds like Sendek is a candidate as well...

From what I can tell I think it is Olen and Sendek now. I think Providence feels or felt used by BH and are moving on. Olen is a terrific coach.

Haven’t heard much Sendek since early yesterday but you guys are probably right. Definitely right about BH using them.

 

[jsshap]

At high levels in both sports and industry, it most definitely does. It depends on your definition of "all the time".

Serenity now.

 

[TexanMark]

I took that as there is smoke for Eric Olen, the coach of New Mexico. Not Olean, New York.

I couldn't pass up an opportunity to make a joke in coaching crazy season.

Olen, Olean, Tomato, Toe-mot-o

I still don't think BH is 100% yet

 

[Cuse12]

USF apparently is gathering money. He could sign and extension too with a low buyout.

Tampa with great weather and no state income taxes along with a league he could dominate is compelling

Ya but 3,000 fans or 30,000 fans. A town where your an afterthought behind the bevy of pro teams or going back to the north where you were born and raised and resurrecting the most important program in town.

Thats my hope in how he thinks lol!

 

[AZOrange]

I couldn't pass up an opportunity to make a joke in coaching crazy season.

Olen, Olean, Tomato, Toe-mot-o

I still don't think BH is 100% yet

Yeah?

 

[AZOrange]

I get the state tax thing but it’s still cheap AF to live in upstate relatively speaking