Coach Search Options after Autry

[richmondcuse03]

Sorry I didn’t mean how do they fundraise. That part is easy for them. It was administering the crap on the clearinghouse side etc. sounded so cloak and dagger I was wondering if they found a bypass

oh! well i'm guessing the school does that all for them. So long as they have businesses tied to the collective, you just need lawyers and some staff on the school end. I'm sure Duke isn't being cheap on the administrative costs. It's not that hard if you invest a little in the right resources.

 

[Cusefan0307]

“Those People Are Stupid” — Boeheim Blasts Syracuse Fans Wanting Outside Hire

The divide in Syracuse Orange men’s basketball fandom just got louder — and a lot more direct. Because Jim Boeheim didn’t just weigh in on the coaching search debate… He went straight at the skeptics. Appearing on Chris Russo’s SiriusXM show, Boeheim was asked about a growing sentiment among...

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JUST SHUT UP

 

[kingtidge]

I can't sit here and say X was the reason for sure SU and Hodgson didn't reach an agreement but from what I know it was not salary related in anyway

My bad, I misread the prior post you responded to. Sorry.

 

[AZOrange]

Culture, attitude, leadership, structural issues, private school challenges, etc. long list with lots of contributing factors.

You can’t operate the same way as before and expect different results. This isn’t a fundraising challenge. Expecting to merely fundraise our way out of this was always the wrong approach. There’s a small universe of folks at any school who are willing to fund NIL. Bigger alumni bases obviously help but that’s not a Syracuse challenge.

We had to accept that the revenue share hit was a fundamental change to how our university needed to operate and fund sports and not expect to fundraise for all of it. Obviously you try but you can’t count on it.

NIL is more of a marketing and sales operation now vs a fundraising apparatus. Different mindset and approach. Should be selling a ROI to businesses vs a gift.

You need businesses who are willing to do deals with players. Everything goes through a clearinghouse. This is the first year where basketball will really have to deal with that. Everything last year was front loaded ahead of the deadline.

It’s incredibly frustrating to hear we are still trying to get a few whales to fund it all. That’s great and all and good luck trying but that says to me they’re also funding the revenue share piece too.

In a community and region where Syracuse is the main sports draw, I just don’t believe we lack from enough businesses willing to be involved. Perhaps I’m wrong but I’ve heard plenty of anecdotes from folks who have never been approached or even asked to do a deal that leads me to believe that’s not the case.

We should have been forcing partners on the pure marketing side to expand those agreements to fund NIL deals too. It’s the only way forward.

I like what JW did and he had a lot of to fix. But an area where he hasn’t done well is NiL. He has not approached this in a new way at all. I’ll take any new leadership on this but they need to get the overall leadership of the university to think differently and restructure how groups work together to actually see results.

SU is a massive business. Period. It should start operating like one cohesive business. I’m sick of hearing that it’s on the fans. The fans have supported the basketball program for decades. Ticket prices aren’t cheap. They’ve come out year after year. It’s only during a prolonged downturn that they’ve stopped and that’s because leadership failed us.

Could not agree more. Flip it upside down. When do we start our secret society?

 

[Irishsecra1]

I'm more curious what his relationship is with Melo - especially when you factor in that he is bringing Doty. I know people on this forum think Doty is a bum, but he is a better dribbler, defender, rebounder, hustler, FT shooter, and passer than Melo's son, and I think they play the same position.

Excellent take. But maybe he could get little Melo to focus. If he really worked at it, I think he could be really good. Probably not NBA worthy, but still really good.
Doty does not have raw talent, but he is a workaholic whose motor never stops and is obsessed with winning. GMAC went so far to say that he is basically him in a younger body - or the closest he has ever met in his whole life. One reason why Siena did so well is not only GMAC's leadership but they had 2 player leaders on the floor - Doty and Shoats.
Doty actually played small forward as a rookie at Siena. Has said many times he doesnt care where he plays on the team or the job assignment he is given, all he cares about is the team winning.

 

[BomberOrange]

We will know pretty quick, if it’s GMac it will leak tonight after they lose today. If we get through tomorrow with no leak or announcement then it’s likely an outside candidate. But then again with SU who knows

If Gmac is interviewed after getting blasted today and is asked about the SU job and he responds “ I don’t give an Ef about Syracuse”, he’s our next coach

 

[Trueblue25]

If the BOT and Search Committee’s hesitant about Murray because we may not get the fan support, local buzz and butts in the seats…


Then what the actual are we doing? We just hired an AD who specializes in fundraising and generating buzz.

Hire Murray, take the W and call it an offseason. He’s unanimously seen as “Next Up” across NCAAB and the blue bloods.

 

[Cappy3]

I don’t see why everyone is so concerned about keeping it in the family. I mean, inbreeding has always worked well, hasn’t it?

 

[Acesn8s]

It's largely up to the higher powers - donors, sponsors, NIL, and a few highly influential folks.

But, IMHO, all roads are leading to:

 

[Widget24]

Welp, if it is indeed going to be GMac, it will do very little to get me excited about next year. I will certainly hope that he succeeds, but I admit I'll be skeptical. I would absolutely hate to see a repeat of what we saw the last three years and to see the legacy of yet another SU legend become tarnished.

 

[OrangeFoo]

JUST SHUT UP

where is the Abe Simpson old man yelling at the clouds image when you need it

 

[Toga]

“Those People Are Stupid” — Boeheim Blasts Syracuse Fans Wanting Outside Hire

The divide in Syracuse Orange men’s basketball fandom just got louder — and a lot more direct. Because Jim Boeheim didn’t just weigh in on the coaching search debate… He went straight at the skeptics. Appearing on Chris Russo’s SiriusXM show, Boeheim was asked about a growing sentiment among...

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[JeremyCuse]

If the BOT and Search Committee’s hesitant about Murray because we may not get the fan support, local buzz and butts in the seats…


Then what the actual are we doing? We just hired an AD who specializes in fundraising and generating buzz.

Hire Murray, take the W and call it an offseason. He’s unanimously seen as “Next Up” across NCAAB and the blue bloods.

SU is looking to hire the best coach, full stop. Now certainly NIL comes into play (will a coach bring more with them/more support etc) but isn't the end all be all, if it was Mike Hopkins would have been hired already. If they feel Moore is a better if then Gmac they will go that route, Brian Blair and JW want to win first and foremost.

 

[Orangezoo]

They have a much more successful alumni base that stays involved with their school for starters. I suspect there's a lot more to the just three guys that were named in the WSJ story too. There's a reason it's secret and I suspect there's a bunch more folks involved. I have to imagine they all own/run businesses where having Duke basketball players show up to internal events or dinners with clients is worth it too. You get 10 who are willing to give $1M a year or 20 at 500k a year and you get dinners with the coach, private things with players...probably half are in NYC/Silicon Valley and a smaller group in the NC area and it sells itself.

Honestly, the "exclusive" part is probably part of the intrigue.

Lots of ways do it. I've seen NYC bars do events with football players from SEC schools because of those alumni bases and collective relationships. I've never see a NYC event for our basketball team tied to promotional NIL stuff. Perhaps they're doing it behind the scenes but given it seems our NIL for basketball has been tied to just a few individuals and no noticeable marketing deals...I suspect not.

Right - 3 guys who took it upon themselves to quietly be both whales and centralized brokers to organize a consistent pool and flow of NIL funds would be my guess. I suspect 3 guys helping to organize and drive strategy in quiet collaboration with the University as well. Right up there with the discussion of having ideas and saying let’s just get a group of people here to put minds together and fix it.

 

[RF2044]

“Those People Are Stupid” — Boeheim Blasts Syracuse Fans Wanting Outside Hire

The divide in Syracuse Orange men’s basketball fandom just got louder — and a lot more direct. Because Jim Boeheim didn’t just weigh in on the coaching search debate… He went straight at the skeptics. Appearing on Chris Russo’s SiriusXM show, Boeheim was asked about a growing sentiment among...

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Thankfully, our new AD doesn't agree.

 

[orange79]

Could not agree more. Flip it upside down. When do we start our secret society?

Well, first we need to raise money to hire a marketing firm to create just the right secret handshake.

BBB's first priority.

 

[Newhouser]

Culture, attitude, leadership, structural issues, private school challenges, etc. long list with lots of contributing factors.

You can’t operate the same way as before and expect different results. This isn’t a fundraising challenge. Expecting to merely fundraise our way out of this was always the wrong approach. There’s a small universe of folks at any school who are willing to fund NIL. Bigger alumni bases obviously help but that’s not a Syracuse challenge.

We had to accept that the revenue share hit was a fundamental change to how our university needed to operate and fund sports and not expect to fundraise for all of it. Obviously you try but you can’t count on it.

NIL is more of a marketing and sales operation now vs a fundraising apparatus. Different mindset and approach. Should be selling a ROI to businesses vs a gift.

You need businesses who are willing to do deals with players. Everything goes through a clearinghouse. This is the first year where basketball will really have to deal with that. Everything last year was front loaded ahead of the deadline.

It’s incredibly frustrating to hear we are still trying to get a few whales to fund it all. That’s great and all and good luck trying but that says to me they’re also funding the revenue share piece too.

In a community and region where Syracuse is the main sports draw, I just don’t believe we lack from enough businesses willing to be involved. Perhaps I’m wrong but I’ve heard plenty of anecdotes from folks who have never been approached or even asked to do a deal that leads me to believe that’s not the case.

We should have been forcing partners on the pure marketing side to expand those agreements to fund NIL deals too. It’s the only way forward.

I like what JW did and he had a lot of to fix. But an area where he hasn’t done well is NiL. He has not approached this in a new way at all. I’ll take any new leadership on this but they need to get the overall leadership of the university to think differently and restructure how groups work together to actually see results.

SU is a massive business. Period. It should start operating like one cohesive business. I’m sick of hearing that it’s on the fans. The fans have supported the basketball program for decades. Ticket prices aren’t cheap. They’ve come out year after year. It’s only during a prolonged downturn that they’ve stopped and that’s because leadership failed us.

Awesome last paragraph.

 

[SU94]

Respectfully kick rocks and get lost with this take. Syracuse is a major basketball program with the pedigree and history to backup that statement.

Do you think Kenny Payne had it easy at Louisville? How about Hubert Davis whose seat has been hot his entire time at UNC? How about Mark Pope? Another alum of the school he coaches, he’s on the verge of getting canned.

This isn’t candy land. This is their boys where winning matters. Autry and the players fell well short of winning. Fans are going to be critical when that’s the case.

Easy killer. A change had to be made. I said it in my first paragraph. I don't think that fans had to make things so personal, at least at such a degree. And now, that same base is being questioned and chided (to some reasonable degree, primarily in the NIL realm) by a smaller segment of national CBB pundits. I think it is all tied together.

 

[JRHEETER]

If we hire Gmac, I will attend games. I am not sure he is the right coach, but I will attend a few more games next year than I did this last year.

Whether we want to admit it or not, Gmac will hold a special spot in all of our hearts.

You know if he comes back and coaches he is bringing Onuaku.


I hope we go a different direction, but you can talk me into Gmac. And if he wins today, hire him on the spot.

 

[Lukeyloo]

Can i ask a dumb but sincere question? Why is it so necessary that football drives the bus? I assume it has to do with eventual conference realignment and TV money, but what is the end game there? In my 40+ years of life, we have never been a national player on the football side, basketball is and always has been the brand in that timeframe. But now we have to essentially sacrifice our storied basketball program for…what exactly?

At the end if the day, what is the path to getting our hoops program back to prominence? Is it even possible, and we need football to come first to get us there? Or do we basically have to choose one or the other (and if so, why choose football)

This is my thought as well. It seems to me that our best strategy to get into a super conference is to be great at basketball and good enough at football to not be an embarrassment. We will never be able to spend enough in football to keep up with the Jones', so it's a losing battle. That's not the case for basketball. We could be a power again, we just need to devote the resources.

 

[Briancuse]

SU is looking to hire the best coach, full stop. Now certainly NIL comes into play (will a coach bring more with them/more support etc) but isn't the end all be all, if it was Mike Hopkins would have been hired already. If they feel Moore is a better if then Gmac they will go that route, Brian Blair and JW want to win first and foremost.

I dont know how anyone at our university can sit there and tell us with a straight face and tell us the best possible candidate is gmac. He's clearly not even close.

 

[007]

oh! well i'm guessing the school does that all for them. So long as they have businesses tied to the collective, you just need lawyers and some staff on the school end. I'm sure Duke isn't being cheap on the administrative costs. It's not that hard if you invest a little in the right resources.

Blair hired an "executive" to oversee NIL at Toledo and was ahead of the curve in the MAC with having a collective. Any idea how the executive part of that scenario was set up? I suspect we will see something similar here.

 

[pearl31]

Gonna recycle an oldie but a goodie but “winning solves everything”

and as tired/cliche as that is, it's absolutely the crux

 

[richmondcuse03]

Could not agree more. Flip it upside down. When do we start our secret society?

Let's do it today during the tournament. Rule number one - no aholes.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Blair hired an "executive" to oversee NIL at Toledo and was ahead of the curve in the MAC with having a collective. Any idea how the executive part of that scenario was set up? I suspect we will see something similar here.

great question, i haven't looked into the structure he had at Toledo beyond what was in his bio. Good project for today!