Coach Search Options after Autry

[phil77]

Question- would you take PMJ with 4 million NIL or GMac with 12?

That isn't a real senerio if it is, then shame on everyone at Syracuse and all the alumni.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Question- would you take PMJ with 4 million NIL or GMac with 12? Also how do you sell PMJ on only 4 mil or even say 6?

Big fan of Post-Modern Jukebox.

 

[granthath9]

THIS. I mean goodness. People acting like this was a 7-10 game or something. This was the third-best performance by a 16 seed since 1996. (The top two being the two who won)

They also held the largest lead at half of any 16 seed ever. And Duke is statistically the best team to ever be assembled in CBB history according to KenPom

 

[OmahaCuse]

Well here's how I see it playing out after this. I will stand by my prediction that BB would go with Luke Murray as 1st choice. Basically the click the button reset guy.

Here's where things get complicated. Games like this change narratives on if Gmac was or is ready and may also shake some loose change out of the couch cushions as well from donors, nostalgia and all that.

I think we will wake up with 2 scenarios tomorrow...
-LM gets the nod and we start fresh. Some NIL is committed but BB and LM work their magic to kickstart this old rusted piece of crap program.
-Some big dawgs come out of the woodwork and put the money where their mouth is. Not the usual hey we're "going to give". It's the checks are in hand. We let it play out and see if Gmac can right the ship.

The question I struggle with is do we go with LM and start him with 9-10 mil in NIL (planning for it to go up over time) or do we go with Gmac for 11-13 mil or more with pressure from the in house alumni and other big donors hiring him.

Money talks as always and the Game is the Game Always.

Has LM ever been a HC?

 

[richmondcuse03]

I think there were some hard feelings three years ago. They can be overcome

the same reason there were hard feelings is the same reason he never turns it down.

 

[Orangefan1]

No. Please no. This would be settling. He needs more time and another job elsewhere at a higher level. Duke struggled against Florida State. We need a proven winner from a conference a step or two higher than the MAAC.

Why does he need more time? He’s already a proven winner

 

[ChrisIsCitrus]

I'm not saying it wasn't impressive.
It was. It was an impressive result.
Every other time that "Super Bowl" joke has been made in this forum, it has been received as it was intended. As a joke. Suddenly, when GMac is involved, it's a very, very sensitive matter.

Can't we all just get along?

Absolutely. What you said provided a whole lot more context than the super bowl post. We are now officially getting along. Now, let's just get everyone else to get along. Should be easy!

 

[Cusesky8214]

I understand everyone’s feelings. But I’m a little leery of going with a guy who has only coached 2 years based, essentially, on the result of 2 games. If Siena lost the MAAC tournament final, we’d be talking about the 3rd place finisher in the 24th ranked league. That just doesn’t scream “hire me” to me.

Fair take. Alot of people want Murray who has never been a head coach. It's not like we have a ton of good options to choose from. They all have their warts. Is what it is at this point.

 

[alphaorange]

Doty was impressive and Coach Mac did an incredible job. He meets the criteria of being passionate and able to inspire and motivate a team to play for each other. With 2 decent bench players at his disposal, this could have resulted in an upset.

The downside is the offense as others have stated. Perhaps with better skilled and athletic players he would have been more creative offensively. Again, as others have stated, he might do fine if we can get an offensive minded creative assistant. Let’s hope the new AD sees it the way we do if G Mac is the guy.

I’d still go with Murray.

The man has never been a head coach. We have seen how that can (not) work up close and personal here at SU with Hopkins and AA. Get a coach who has been a HC.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Absolutely. What you said provided a whole lot more context than the super bowl post. We are now officially getting along. Now, let's just get everyone else to get along. Should be easy!

I would love to just erase what i wrote, but someone already called No Takebacks, soooo...

: )

 

[Willy75]

And Hamilton is in Clinton while Colgate is in Hamilton, NY.

And Boston College isn't in Boston, nor is it a college.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Question- would you take PMJ with 4 million NIL or GMac with 12? Also how do you sell PMJ on only 4 mil or even say 6?

Well, is that NIL or NIL plus revenue sharing? Don't be confusing the two. You'll get mean responses.

 

[Orangezoo]

That isn't a real senerio if it is, then shame on everyone at Syracuse and all the alumni.

So what is a real scenario then? What’s clear is the challenge of how much money for everything , NIL included for different candidates. I’m not saying what’s right or wrong I’m just saying it seems clear from what’s been shared there is a gap between what might be available right now that could be higher for GMac.

You are so hellbent on an outside hire you aren’t seeing the forest through the trees. You are hardly getting this from someone who’s cheered on hiring GMac too. Just look at my post history.

 

[dasher]

Well, a number of schools hang banners for finishing first in the league standings. What would you call them, participation banners?

No I just wrote I think the winner of the league should get more credit than they do. Maybe you didn't read that. And I must admit, I can't remember seeing too many league winning banners up. I can see final; fours or tournament wins but I will take your word for it.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Seriously, I'm not rooting for Gerry. I wanted BH and am open to new choices. I just find it amazing that people who wanted BH will not admit that his team was totally unprepared for the most important game the school has ever played. And the team they were playing was playing without one of their best players. I suspect we might have dodged a bullet here. You seem to be able to dish it out but not so good at taking it. You have been ranting in your last posts. Take a breath.

I'm trying not to fall into that group of flipfloppers and fully admit Gmac surprised me today while BH underwhelmed.

What really grinds my gears is the people that screamed over and over at the former AD and guys calling the shots after Autry that we have to have a real national search because that's what doomed us before/

Now we're in the middle of a national search and the same people want us to just sign (Gmac or BH) immediately without letting BB run his process.

 

[sufan59]

Gerry system is simple: We will outscout you, my guys will outplay you, and my players will have just as good fundamentals as yours. Probably in the 99th percentile of coaches when it comes to getting the most out of his players, it's a skill that is natural and can't be taught. He is a unique talent, I've known this, I didn't expect it to show up on a big stage this soon. He's ready.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Fair take. Alot of people want Murray who has never been a head coach. It's not like we have a ton of good options to choose from. They all have their warts. Is what it is at this point.

Luke Murray has excellent body language.

 

[Orangezoo]

Well, is that NIL or NIL plus revenue sharing? Don't be confusing the two. You'll get mean responses.

Pure NIL.

 

[djorange1989]

I understand everyone’s feelings. But I’m a little leery of going with a guy who has only coached 2 years based, essentially, on the result of 2 games. If Siena lost the MAAC tournament final, we’d be talking about the 3rd place finisher in the 24th ranked league. That just doesn’t scream “hire me” to me.

I would prefer we go with Martelli or another strong outside guy but give GMAC credit for his two years at Siena. 3 win dumpster fire the year before he got there, he immediately improved them a lot in year 1 and went to the tourney in year 2 and gave Duke all they could handle. First NCAA bid for Siena in 16(?)years and first 20 win season in 10 years. Again, I want to go in another direction but he has done really good work beyond just a couple of games

 

[Irishsecra1]

First, I don't know that Gerry will get the job. Just a week or so ago, he wasn't interested. Which says something about where we are right now as a program. And it's not just he didn't want to replace Red. Which he didn't. Sadly, he thinks he can do better in another year or so. As I said, that isn't a guess. Maybe the last few days changed things. It is easier to say I'm not interested when you think someone else will get he job as opposed to someone actually offering it to you. As for next year, no matter who the coach is, how can anyone know what the floor or the ceiling is without knowing who is on the team? Who did we keep? UGH Who did we get in the portal? How do they mesh? I don't know and wouldn't even hazard a guess no matter who the next coach is until we know those things. One thing about Gerry, I think he will have more NIL available to him than any other coach we could get. Even Hop. But That may not be true either.

I had also heard, take it with a grain of salt, that he was still upset that SU never even considered hiring him when they hired Red. It is my understanding that he was flat out told Red was the hire and no one else, including him, would be considered. So, it would be understandable considering the animosity that he will get from some fans, that he would say the hell with it and just stay with Siena for next year. He has a great recruiting class coming in.
But maybe that changes with a new chancellor and new AD.

 

[chiefcurrey]

Well, a number of schools hang banners for finishing first in the league standings. What would you call them, participation banners?

Essentially, yes. Merrimack can feel free to hang a banner if they'd like, but their season ended over a week ago, and Siena just took Duke to the wire.

 

[tptcuse]

Question- would you take PMJ with 4 million NIL or GMac with 12? Also how do you sell PMJ on only 4 mil or even say 6?

Outside hire with the money we had this year is a no brainer but seems that’s not the reality we are looking at, especially right this moment.

Amazing how quickly things change when NIL is involved. NIL giving is fueled by "right now" emotions and mentality. This is what happened with Kyle McCord a couple years ago.

The "family" and some people behind the scenes seem to be very excited about Gmac right now. They have money. Under normal circumstances, the person in charge of hiring would wait and make a rational choice. When someone flashes millions in front of their face, they need to act swiftly and decisively. It will be interesting to see how Blair handles this.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Nobody does, it's mysterious.

I prefer enigmas over mysteries

 

[tptcuse]

Big fan of Post-Modern Jukebox.

They're great!

 

[OmahaCuse]

The one game determining someone’s fate is why this program will remain years behind.

I’ll give him credit he had his kids loose and determined to play hard when duke was nervous and without two starters trying to figure out their offense.

I actually think it’s egregious coaching to play 5 guys the entire game. A great coach finds ways to get guys quality rests with tv time outs.

Again I’ll point out they were 145th in offense efficiency and 50th in defensive efficiency.

Is it 1 game or did he win the MAC tourney and recruit very good players?