Coach Search Options after Autry

[oldpinepoint]

Not a fan of Axe , but my feelings go back a long time ( having to do with coach P ) , Axe rides the wind , saying what he thinks his followers want . Always has and always will . I know many here like him .

Axe sucks

 

[Scooch]

…Says the guy who ran off to the fake Orange.

JB had him play out of position and Red didn't want him. Joe's alright in my book.

 

[Irishsecra1]

Fans will get behind just about any coach who comes here and wins. That's a fact and we are THAT starved for a winner.

The Big NIL for GMAC... no NIL for you... no NIL for you... no NIL for you... for other HC options is a REAL argument for GMAC (if true).

You can argue that is shortsighthed if you want, but it's brass tacks no matter how you slice it, and whale donors gonna whale with their money howevs they want.

All this other warm fuzzies stuff is just noise and warm fuzzies are not a legit reason to hire the bball coach.

What if VCU beats Illinois and is in the sweeet 16 by the end of the weekend??

Warm Fuzzy double-down:

"Well, Martelli looks like a great coach but the average Syracuse fan still isn't going to know who he is or be excited by his hire... .and now that he's in the sweet 16, his price is probably sky high. GMAC brings the excitement day 1 and is the only option."

I agree we are starved for a winner. But the hope and excitement before our first season will be thru the roof with GMAC, it wont be the same unless Martelli makes the final four and becomes the cinderella of the NCAAT. That is the only way a Marteilli can hope to generate excitement among the casual Syracuse fan.
And if that happens, he probably goes somewhere else anyway for a bigger bag.

Frankly, our preseason needs some warm fuzzies if we want to increase season ticket sales this year. Or at the very least stop half the season ticket holders cancelling their seats.
I am a season ticket holder and believe me many are on the verge of not renewing.

 

[Orangefan1]

Honestly I’d love to have girard as a coach also in the bench….never should of let him go

 

[elimunelson]

JB had him play out of position and Red didn't want him. Joe's alright in my book.

Couldn’t agree more. Loved Joey. Need more of these guys. Street fighters

 

[elimunelson]

Honestly I’d love to have girard as a coach also in the bench….never should of let him go

Girard Devendorf and Gerry

Let’s ride. That’s a lot of proverbial middle fingers. And that’s a good thing

 

[PhatOrange]

https://twitter.com/CBB_Central/status/2034708557132677419

Not sure how to copy the image, but if you read the messages, both Curry and Sweeney state that BH never had an offer. And insinuate that he was further down the wish list than many speculated. Seems agent-initiated propaganda which Goodman et al jumped on. Not sure about Curry, but Sweeney is more reputable than most, more measured and thoughtful, less prone to hyperbole and frankly seems like far less of a gullible simpleton than a Goodman for example, IMO.

Leads me to believe SU had their man lined up before BH decline-gate materialized. Will be very interesting now to see if that was GMac, someone else, and if Siena/Duke yesterday impacts what ultimately happens.

Nobody releases a statement to say they turned down a job unless they're trying to save face.

 

[br801]

…Says the guy who ran off to the fake Orange.

I want players who will stay four years, coaches who wear tailored suits and make honest women of the ladies they knock up, and while we're at it, let's outlaw dunking.

 

[orlandoorange]

I’m not fully against Gmac. But how do you defend his entire assistant coaching track record at SU. It’s fully correlated with our downturn.

Correlation is not causation.

A lot of things correlate, ACC, Bernie Fine left, reduced scholarships...

 

[Chip]

Nobody releases a statement to say they turned down a job unless they're trying to save face.

Especially as his team is preparing for a tourney game.

But of course, everyone jumped on it. wE'rE nOt SeRiOuS!

Somewhere in this madhouse of a thread, IthacaMatt replied to a post of mine saying we get $45M from the ACC and we should spend it on sports. What were we spending it on?

 

[JOC44]

I have no idea if GMAC would be successful here. None of us do. But I think about a couple of data points.

First, GMAC impressed me when, after not being considered to replace JB, he didn't just hang around and hope his turn would come. He bet on himself by going out and getting a head coaching job at a low(er) level. That shows character and confidence.

Second, maybe this is just confirmation bias, but we actually won 20 games with Red as head coach in the one year that GMAC was on the bench with him, and had miserable, underachieving years the two years after GMAC left.

Third, GMAC seems to get along with his players without being their friend, and seems to insist on standards. The head coach has to be willing to be a bit of a bad cop (maybe more than a bit).

Assuming the NIL whales will mostly get behind this hire, I say run with it.

 

[elimunelson]

Correlation is not causation.

A lot of things correlate, ACC, Bernie Fine left, reduced scholarships...

Can someone do an analysis of Calipari as asst to Larry brown and I think Paul Evans and the correlations.

Good assts are good assts results be damned.

 

[elimunelson]

Especially as his team is preparing for a tourney game.

But of course, everyone jumped on it. wE'rE nOt SeRiOuS!

Somewhere in this madhouse of a thread, IthacaMatt replied to a post of mine saying we get $45M from the ACC and we should spend it on sports. What were we spending it on?

I recall a room in Maxwell saying it was funded w fiesta bowl money. So maybe dorms hahahaa

 

[Chip]

I have no idea if GMAC would be successful here. None of us do. But I think about a couple of data points.

First, GMAC impressed me when, after not being considered to replace JB, he didn't just hang around and hope his turn would come. He bet on himself by going out and getting a head coaching job at a low(er) level. That shows character and confidence.

Second, maybe this is just confirmation bias, but we actually won 20 games with Red as head coach in the one year that GMAC was on the bench with him, and had miserable, underachieving years the two years after GMAC left.

Third, GMAC seems to get along with his players without being their friend, and seems to insist on standards. The head coach has to be willing to be a bit of a bad cop (maybe more than a bit).

Assuming the NIL whales will mostly get behind this hire, I say run with it.

Stop dancing around it. It's because he has a Fulton kid on the team, who he would bring along with him!

 

[chadvader]

I have no idea if GMAC would be successful here. None of us do. But I think about a couple of data points.

First, GMAC impressed me when, after not being considered to replace JB, he didn't just hang around and hope his turn would come. He bet on himself by going out and getting a head coaching job at a low(er) level. That shows character and confidence.

Second, maybe this is just confirmation bias, but we actually won 20 games with Red as head coach in the one year that GMAC was on the bench with him, and had miserable, underachieving years the two years after GMAC left.

Third, GMAC seems to get along with his players without being their friend, and seems to insist on standards. The head coach has to be willing to be a bit of a bad cop (maybe more than a bit).

Assuming the NIL whales will mostly get behind this hire, I say run with it.

Yup. I think it was the Marist game this year. They asked what changed at halftime, and Doty said something along the lines of G-Mac lit into us. They came out after half and dominated.

 

[swish7]

After 619 pages and two months of checking this thread here is where I am at. If I am ADBB, my job is 1. to give the program the coach with the highest probability of winning for the next 5 to 10 years, 2. but I also need to hire someone who I can get along with and want on my team.

I think #2 eliminates BH from consideration... sorry, but there is no way I want someone who is a clear flight risk on my team. My hunch is Syracuse did feel him out and maybe even got to an agreement in principle, but it was clear that BH would not be long for the job. Part of a leaders job is to manage egos for sure... but there are egos and there are egos. Plus I already have one ego monster on my team.

So going to consideration #1... I evaluate based on ability to bring NIL, ability to recruit players, strategy and vision, program management, and execution and most importantly what do they do when they get punched in the face in a game. Hiring him would be class if faith without proof. Maybe it worked with Fran maybe it didn’t… but this is the route you take if you are in a really really weak position. If we go this route either Murray is such a no brainer in one of the areas that nothing else matters or the program is circling the lower part of the bowl that already has crap sticking to it.


Based on all of the above, unless you are going cheap, I have no idea how you go with Luke Murray unless he completely blows everyone away in the interview. Fran obv was able to do this and but he at least had the title of #1 recruiter in college football... but do we even know how good of a recruiter Murray is?

I have no idea who the choices are but I've heard Hurley, GMAC, Martelli Jr, Otz from ISU (too lazy to spell it out) Of all these dudes Otz is the clear #1 and it's not even close, but I believe he is a pipe dream. We know what Hurley can do and he's probably a 2 or a 3 out of 5 in all areas but recruiting where he is a 4 maybe (being generous), I also suspect the Hurley name gets him to a 4 on the NIL piece.

GMAC and Martelli are relatively unknowns, but in this case the devil you don't know is probably more attractive than the devil you do know from seeing Hurley's record so those two are above Hurley suspect Martelli is probably a bit above GMAC in everything but NIL and recruiting. We don't know how either of these guys can recruit at the P4 level, but GMAC is probably a bit ahead because he did bring talent that JB couldn't close.

The biggest separator is going to be NIL... GMAC's NIL potential blows everyone out of the water, including Martelli. And I get it... if Martelli or someone else comes in and makes the dance in year 1 the NIL will come in, but again my job as AD is to find the highest probability and here GMAC wins easily because of what he will bring in year 0 and year 1

So to me Otz from ISU (again don't want to spell his name) or someone like him is choice #1 by a mile, but we seem to have not shot. Of the alternatives, I wouldn't hire BH either and of the rest GMAC is the clear choice based on the NOW... hiring anyone else is a super big risk and you better sure the upside is there.

Thanks for listening to my ted talk.

Great post. Only quibble is GMac is my next up if Otz isn't realistic.

 

[OburgOrange]

 

[Chip]

I recall a room in Maxwell saying it was funded w fiesta bowl money. So maybe dorms hahahaa

If they used it to fund turning the Sheraton into a Dome then I'm unfriending Syracuse athletics.

Do they even realize how hard it is to get a drink after the game without walking downtown?

Monsters, all of them.

 

[JOC44]

Stop dancing around it. It's because he has a Fulton kid on the team, who he would bring along with him!

If we ran five Fulton kids out there, we're still dancing. Fulton had a major league pitcher (Pete Gray, look it up), and bowling Hall of Famer Mark Roth lives in Fulton. And don't get me started on wrestling. Storied history of sporting excellence.

 

[JOC44]

First counterargument against my pro-GMAC thinking -- Etan is in favor.

 

[Chip]

If we ran five Fulton kids out there, we're still dancing. Fulton had a major league pitcher (Pete Gray, look it up), and bowling Hall of Famer Mark Roth lives in Fulton. And don't get me started on wrestling. Storied history of sporting excellence.

This is my 2nd favorite post in the thread.

The bastard child will be tough to beat.

 

[Toga]

what's up with every word starting with a capital letter? Is that what the kids do now?

Craziness resulting from not knowing how to write cursive perhaps.

 

[elimunelson]

If they used it to fund turning the Sheraton into a Dome then I'm unfriending Syracuse athletics.

Do they even realize how hard it is to get a drink after the game without walking downtown?

Monsters, all of them.

We used to be a civilized society

The regatta what a spot. Always a frisky milf In there w college dudes roaming around. A very mixed crowd of awesome

 

[CU44SE]

Not sure if I want Martelli.

Grasso as much of a nut that he is, turned around Bryant and Martelli capitalized.

VCU has a good little program. Kind of runs itself since Shaka was there. One of the top A10 jobs. Coaches jump there just before they get the big job. Shaka, Will wade, Mike rhoades, Ryan Odom. All jumped to a P4 school after their time at VCU.

My list has always been

BH
Schertz
Murray

I really am in shock that it looks like we couldn’t even get the top two candidates at this point.

 

[Chip]

We used to be a civilized society

The regatta what a spot. Always a frisky milf In there w college dudes roaming around. A very mixed crowd of awesome