Coaches talk about the portal

[rrlbees]

And it’s not pretty.

 

[Bayside44]

Crazy stuff. Outside advisors to these kids are really a net negative.

 

[bballbeadle]

I can’t read the story, neither on Twitter nor on athletic.com, which wants me to subscribe.

 

[Fly Rodder]

I’m sure it’s chaos behind the scenes, but it’s not rocket science to see which teams are built on transfers and are abusing it. Like Auburn and captain of ethics Bruce Pearl who has 4 of his top 6 in minutes from the portal.

 

[Sherman20]

And it’s not pretty.

This story is fascinating and really speaks to what a S show the no-sit-out transfer rule is for the college game, how much tampering and shadiness is going on (Kadary), and how much coaches hate it.

 

[Orangezoo]

So no question this is ugly and just bad for many of the schools and the kids who are fringe guys that play little or take time to develop. It's also why our system is ultimately antiquated. Over seas you don't get bogged down in college/amateurism. If you have the goods to play for the best then you can make that move and start collecting bigger checks at any time. Collegiate sports represent a controlled, non free market approach to athletics. There are so many that benefit from this who are not the athletes.

It sucks to see the first wave of what is likely a far different end game as selfish fans of college sports but to miss the bigger picture- it is what it is. If you have value, you want to be where you maximize it to earn a paycheck doing what you love.

 

[Hoo's That]

So no question this is ugly and just bad for many of the schools and the kids who are fringe guys that play little or take time to develop. It's also why our system is ultimately antiquated. Over seas you don't get bogged down in college/amateurism. If you have the goods to play for the best then you can make that move and start collecting bigger checks at any time. Collegiate sports represent a controlled, non free market approach to athletics. There are so many that benefit from this who are not the athletes.

It sucks to see the first wave of what is likely a far different end game as selfish fans of college sports but to miss the bigger picture- it is what it is. If you have value, you want to be where you maximize it to earn a paycheck doing what you love.

The problem here is that the NBA (and the NFL, for that matter) has come to rely on the colleges as its farm system. Outside Japan, the US and Canada, university athletics is a real nothingburger because the best players have been taken by sports clubs and team academies while the remainder plays for their university. Compare the hoopla surrounding the Oxford-Cambridge football (soccer) match with the hoopla surrounding their boat race.

If you're wondering why I said Japan, while I was stationed there one of the staples on TV was any sort of sports match between Keio (kind of like Princeton) and Waseda (kind of like MIT) Universities, especially when they played each other. Meiji University (kind of like Yale) seemed to be above it all, letting those two battle it out and then they would swoop in and smash the leftovers.

 

[Orangezoo]

The problem here is that the NBA (and the NFL, for that matter) has come to rely on the colleges as its farm system. Outside Japan, the US and Canada, university athletics is a real nothingburger because the best players have been taken by sports clubs and team academies while the remainder plays for their university. Compare the hoopla surrounding the Oxford-Cambridge football (soccer) match with the hoopla surrounding their boat race.

If you're wondering why I said Japan, while I was stationed there one of the staples on TV was any sort of sports match between Keio (kind of like Princeton) and Waseda (kind of like MIT) Universities, especially when they played each other. Meiji University (kind of like Yale) seemed to be above it all, letting those two battle it out and then they would swoop in and smash the leftovers.

Yeah don't disagree and the infrastructure isn't there as of yet. I see that changing though as the existing infrastructure continues to Crack at the foundation.

 

[SWC75]

“No one is going to sign 13. None. Why would you sign 13 when you can’t keep 11 happy? They’re just gonna transfer on you anyway. I had (another coach) point out to me, can you imagine 350 schools sign 11 instead of 13? That’s 700 scholarships that won’t go to high school kids.”

That's why JB had 13 guys two years ago and last year and 11 this year.

 

[Cuse181]

This story is fascinating and really speaks to what a S show the no-sit-out transfer rule is for the college game, how much tampering and shadiness is going on (Kadary), and how much coaches hate it.

Are insinuating there was tampering with Kadary?

 

[kirbivore]

Crazy stuff. Outside advisors to these kids are really a net negative.

Uncle Dennis' on steroids

 

[Scooch]

There’s no honor amongst thieves.

 

[baggerbob]

There’s no honor amongst thieves.

The schools like Kentucky, and a few others, will stop recruiting high school players, just grab the best transfers, and play them, add maybe 1 blue chipper.

 

[DoctorBombay]

The game has changed. And after decades of being low man on the totem pole, the players are finally able to get in on the action other than being useful pawns in the whole enterprise.
I have no quarrel with any HC or program using the portal/NIL to get good right away.
It’s messy, yes- but it’s how our system works: You get compensated for the value you bring to a market, and if there’s a way to advertise or bring attention to your value, you exercise it.
Are there gonna be some miscalculations or bad, seemingly irrational decisions by players? Absolutely. But it’s the new way things are done.
Programs need to stop whining and either adapt, or make like Diego Montoya and “prepare to die”. JMHO

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Honestly, it’s similar workplace behavior that I’m seeing out of young professionals 25 and under. They’re all willing to job hop and jump to a new gig in pursuit of a “better title” and a few thousand dollars more, all after 6 or 7 months in a job. Gaining real experience and working hard isn’t really what that are after. Gen Z may become the “fake it and hope to make it” generation.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Honestly, it’s similar workplace behavior that I’m seeing out of young professionals 25 and under. They’re all willing to job hop and jump to a new gig in pursuit of a “better title” and a few thousand dollars more, all after 6 or 7 months in a job. Gaining real experience and working hard isn’t really what that are after. Gen Z may become the “fake it and hope to make it” generation.

Not surprising in the least. This is the generation that grew up with any and all of their questions answered at the touch of a button. Norm MacDonald (RIP) had a great bit about how the internet made him a genius at cocktail parties- just sneak to the bathroom and have a comeback ready for every conversation!
Its no wonder these kids expect speed in every facet of their lives. Most of the behind-the-scenes grunt work is diminished to them, so in their thinking, why should they wait or have a long term plan? Its the end result that matters...period!

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Honestly, it’s similar workplace behavior that I’m seeing out of young professionals 25 and under. They’re all willing to job hop and jump to a new gig in pursuit of a “better title” and a few thousand dollars more, all after 6 or 7 months in a job. Gaining real experience and working hard isn’t really what that are after. Gen Z may become the “fake it and hope to make it” generation.

With all due respect, your comments about Gen Z are at best uncharitable, and at worst a load.

There are tons of Gen Zers that bust their tails. But they're also savvy enough to observe that the game is rigged and that the truisms they were raised with aren't often true.

 

[Bayside44]

"The thing that stinks is in the long run you’re actually hurting kids sometimes by not having that as the reality, because part of the reason they’re transferring — a lot of them — is because they’re not good enough to embrace the roles they want to embrace.”

 

[orangenauburn]

With all due respect, your comments about Gen Z are at best uncharitable, and at worst a load.

There are tons of Gen Zers that bust their tails. But they're also savvy enough to observe that the game is rigged and that the truisms they were raised with aren't often true.

Yeah

I'm 38 and my first real job, I worked for the same company for thirteen years and was as loyal as they come. I truly believed I'd retire from there after forty plus years.

Yeah then reality hit.

Even after thirteen successful and hardworking, loyal years to the families that owned the business ... Starting out as a night manager on a salary that averaged $11.85 / hour and working sixty hour weeks in busy season, all the while my employees were making more than me with their OT. To getting capped financially because of the position I was in (ops / logistics) ... Finally breaking through, only to be told you are capped salary wise at 31 years of age with two young kids. Even still I maintained loyalty and worked hard, thinking long term and big picture.

Nope.

Let go when they started changing middle management around to position friends of the family and their kids.

I was crushed at the time. I had committed untold hours and energy to the company and the families. I truly believed the bullspit I was sold. I was a sucker.

And in the end it was the best thing for me. Here I am five years later, and I make more than double what I was making there, and have had the opportunity to interview for numerous C Level roles in the past year or so.

It took bouncing around a couple stops before where I am now to find something truly great and where I am happy.

Long story short.

I encourage all employees regardless of age or generation to look for what's best for them, even if it means bouncing around. Loyalty in business is dead. Employees have to do what is best for them, because ultimately everyone is replaceable.

 

[rrlbees]

The game has changed. And after decades of being low man on the totem pole, the players are finally able to get in on the action other than being useful pawns in the whole enterprise.
I have no quarrel with any HC or program using the portal/NIL to get good right away.
It’s messy, yes- but it’s how our system works: You get compensated for the value you bring to a market, and if there’s a way to advertise or bring attention to your value, you exercise it.
Are there gonna be some miscalculations or bad, seemingly irrational decisions by players? Absolutely. But it’s the new way things are done.
Programs need to stop whining and either adapt, or make like Diego Montoya and “prepare to die”. JMHO

I don’t know if you were able to read the article but that wasn’t really the point of it. It was mostly about the shady side. Even post game handshakes being questioned and one team not doing them anymore.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

With all due respect, your comments about Gen Z are at best uncharitable, and at worst a load.

There are tons of Gen Zers that bust their tails. But they're also savvy enough to observe that the game is rigged and that the truisms they were raised with aren't often true.

I find people are too sensitive when broad generalizations about generations are made.

 

[tptcuse]

I find people are too sensitive when broad generalizations about generations are made.

okay, boomer.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

okay, boomer.

Swing and a miss

 

[manleyzoo]

Yeah

I'm 38 and my first real job, I worked for the same company for thirteen years and was as loyal as they come. I truly believed I'd retire from there after forty plus years.

Yeah then reality hit.

Even after thirteen successful and hardworking, loyal years to the families that owned the business ... Starting out as a night manager on a salary that averaged $11.85 / hour and working sixty hour weeks in busy season, all the while my employees were making more than me with their OT. To getting capped financially because of the position I was in (ops / logistics) ... Finally breaking through, only to be told you are capped salary wise at 31 years of age with two young kids. Even still I maintained loyalty and worked hard, thinking long term and big picture.

Nope.

Let go when they started changing middle management around to position friends of the family and their kids.

I was crushed at the time. I had committed untold hours and energy to the company and the families. I truly believed the bullspit I was sold. I was a sucker.

And in the end it was the best thing for me. Here I am five years later, and I make more than double what I was making there, and have had the opportunity to interview for numerous C Level roles in the past year or so.

It took bouncing around a couple stops before where I am now to find something truly great and where I am happy.

Long story short.

I encourage all employees regardless of age or generation to look for what's best for them, even if it means bouncing around. Loyalty in business is dead. Employees have to do what is best for them, because ultimately everyone is replaceable.

Amen brother, amen.

 

[hoopsupstate]

The problem with balance in college football is the SEC doesn’t have a salary cap.