Coaching Comments to Recruit

[OrangeinBoston]

Acosta told the TE recruit Dunkleberg, that the staff was moving toward a TE oriented offense. OK x's & o's people, what is your interpretation? Nothing would please me more than an offense that looks like the Pats. (I know, I know, we don't have Brady.)

 

[OrangeXtreme]

http://syracusefan.com/threads/12-personnel.82718/

 

[CUSU]

Acosta told the TE recruit Dunkleberg, that the staff was moving toward a TE oriented offense. OK x's & o's people, what is your interpretation? Nothing would please me more than an offense that looks like the Pats. (I know, I know, we don't have Brady.)

Lester has said he wants to run a "12" formation. This formations is basically a 2x2 formation with a single back, and normally QB under center. Can have variations of a 3x1 etc. Normally this entails a wide receiver and tight end on each side of the line, but can be very flexible and variated.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...-end-formations-will-hit-nfl-by-storm-in-2012

 

[IHeartSUFball]

That's outstanding news... This is who we are... And should be a lot more effective

 

[statsgrad]

Where is OttoInTheGrotto to say he is personally offended by this and demand we huck and chuck even on 4th and 12 from our own 20 yard line?

 

[chakka3421]

The question is what offense will run most effectively given current level of talent? Also the ACC seems more of a defensive oriented conference than the Wild West B12. My first impression is its a good start of a new plan because what we have in place now ain't working.

 

[longislandcuse]

I'm envisioning a Stanford type offense. Yes/No?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Where is OttoInTheGrotto to say he is personally offended by this and demand we huck and chuck even on 4th and 12 from our own 20 yard line?

 

[Rocco]

The current roster supports this offensive model more than a zone-read, gun. Love it.

And just because we will have a "bigger" offense out there, doesn't mean we can't eventually score 30-35+ points/game.

We keep our defense solid and that is a winning formula, folks.

 

[qdawgg]

I want at least 4-5 posts filled with statistics from Millhouse by the end of the night before I decide what I think.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

That's outstanding news... This is who we are... And should be a lot more effective

 

[IHeartSUFball]

Yup and don't need to get 4 star talent to run it like spread... We can fit in our less heralded recruiting classes and do fine with this.

 

[TheCusian]

I just like that there's a plan.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I'm envisioning a Stanford type offense. Yes/No?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Yup and don't need to get 4 star talent to run it like spread... We can fit in our less heralded recruiting classes and do fine with this.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Acosta told the TE recruit Dunkleberg, that the staff was moving toward a TE oriented offense. OK x's & o's people, what is your interpretation? Nothing would please me more than an offense that looks like the Pats. (I know, I know, we don't have Brady.)

If only someone on this board, operating with scant information, was able to figure this out.

 

[Cootface]

Yup and don't need to get 4 star talent to run it like spread... We can fit in our less heralded recruiting classes and do fine with this.

The reality is probably the opposite. So many people run the spread because you don't need the 4 star talent to run it. It's all scheme. You just need a good coach running it - something we haven't had consistently around here forever.

These pro style offenses almost always require a gaggle of highly rated recruits, particularly offensive linemen. It's why no one runs this in college except for teams like Alabama and Stanford.

 

[IHeartSUFball]

If only someone on this board, operating with scant information, was able to figure this out.

I WANT 4 star talent, but we aren't going to get 4 star. Not sure the premise of your head bashing vine there, unless your having a rough day and if you are I'm sorry to here that.

 

[Finwad32]

I feel like this is taking off prematurely. I don't recall Lester ever saying that he was moving to or developing an offense that is heavy in its' use of 12 personnel.

I started a thread a month or so ago talking about how that was his primary set at Elmhurst. I don't believe he's come out and said anything about having intentions to do it here. I could be 100% wrong. I haven't been paying close attention this week, but, the only article with Lester I've seen from the Post Standard was a couple weeks back where he stated that our current roster supports 10/11 or 20/21 personnel.

Regardless, it doesn't matter, personnel grouping doesn't affect formations as much as one might think. And, it would most likely be a package in the early years as opposed to a base.

This is all just conjecture on my part.

 

[IHeartSUFball]

The reality is probably the opposite. So many people run the spread because you don't need the 4 star talent to run it. It's all scheme. You just need a good coach running it - something we haven't had consistently around here forever.

These pro style offenses almost always require a gaggle of highly rated recruits, particularly offensive linemen. It's why no one runs this in college except for teams like Alabama and Stanford.

Yea, I guess that is true also. I'd rather run a stanford type Offense with mostly 3 star talent or a K State with a lot of JUCOs and have some of their success than trying to run a spread that obviously isn't working. Your right though if you paid and got the right type of coach it would probably work better. I think the "12" would have more susitanable offense over many years as OUR system than the spread, imo.

 

[Millhouse]

This plan is stupid . Who cares what their current roster is . Their current roster is bad. Even if it were good, it's college your roster turns over. Unless you have a tight end who is like a giant receiver, you shouldn't bother with one much less two. Gronk is a unicorn on horse pills. We are going to hope to churn out 23 play drives with check downs to slow guys. Fffffffff that sssssss to hell.

Enough with the defensive head coaches who throw s at the wall every other month. West coast pistol hop scotch browning 6 rb was bad enough. Now this

 

[CuseOnly]

I feel like this is taking off prematurely. I don't recall Lester ever saying that he was moving to or developing an offense that is heavy in its' use of 12 personnel.

I started a thread a month or so ago talking about how that was his primary set at Elmhurst. I don't believe he's come out and said anything about having intentions to do it here. I could be 100% wrong. I haven't been paying close attention this week, but, the only article with Lester I've seen from the Post Standard was a couple weeks back where he stated that our current roster supports 10/11 or 20/21 personnel.

Regardless, it doesn't matter, personnel grouping doesn't affect formations as much as one might think. And, it would most likely be a package in the early years as opposed to a base.

This is all just conjecture on my part.

He must declare publicly what offense he is going to run IMO.

That being said...12 personnel, 13 personnel whatever it takes.

 

[Millhouse]

Btw Stanford's offense sucks guys

You could play 69 offense with luck and be good. Not a model for anything

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I WANT 4 star talent, but we aren't going to get 4 star. Not sure the premise of your head bashing vine there, unless your having a rough day and if you are I'm sorry to here that.

Lits44 explained it well.

 

[Crusty]

http://syracusefan.com/threads/12-personnel.82718/