Cole vs Quincy

[kcsu]

Cole is the better player. Considerably better

 

[syrBossHogg]

Q had some big games for us but consistency was an issue with his game, but offensively and defensively. It's only one game so far but I'm happy with what the new guys are bringing to replace him

 

[OrangeFoo]

Guerrier was our worst forward defensively last year out of himself, Griffin and Braswell. He really didn’t help us much on that end of the court and the numbers back that up. Not trying to trash the kid, but I think some overestimate his loss.

I watched the duke game a bit last night and they have some physical players inside and outside... I'm really worried they are going to bully us and play volleyball on the boards. The good news is it's Duke and almost no other teams have their level of player so we will probably be okay most nights.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I watched the duke game a bit last night and they have some physical players inside and outside... I'm really worried they are going to bully us and play volleyball on the boards. The good news is it's Duke and almost no other teams have their level of player so we will probably be okay most nights.

They have athletes and no pg or shooters. Will be interesting. I tend to think the media overrates them every year. If that's the cream of the crop of college basketball then its going to be an overall down season.

The rest of the ACC looks bad.

 

[two3zone]

Cole is what QG wishes he could be.

Have to kick him when he already walked out the door? Low class. He did nothing but work his tail off here. Ever question his effort here? Nope, didn’t think so.

 

[Jake]

Quincy was 2-8 from 3 (not too good) but did lead the Ducks in boards with 12

If Iregon let’s him shoot 8 3’s/game they will underachieve.

 

[hoopsupstate]

If Iregon let’s him shoot 8 3’s/game they will underachieve.

All Quincy is showing is that he’s not a consistent three point shooter. JB already knew this and he tried to use Quincy’s strengths which made him productive.

 

[RMH44]

Cole is the better player. Considerably better

Yep...and it's not even close.

 

[721Comstock]

If Iregon let’s him shoot 8 3’s/game they will underachieve.

And... this is why his departure is best for all parties concerned.

We needed him to continue to bang down low, and he (and his handlers/whatever) wanted to "showcase his perimeter game" so he'd be more attractive to the NBA.

He's a bulky shooting guard in height, who has the game of a PF, and wants to show he can be a SF.
That was never gonna fly with JB.

 

[two3zone]

All Quincy is showing is that he’s not a consistent three point shooter. JB already knew this and he tried to use Quincy’s strengths which made him productive.

And if he wants to get to the league it isn’t without taking those shots (and making them). He needs to be somewhere he can at least attempt them if his goal is the next level. I don’t fault him for leaving and it will be known soon whether we missed out on him or not, but not going to take swipes at him for putting himself into a position needed to succeed.

 

[DilemaCuse]

I actually think Jimmy is filling the Guerrier role on this team and not Swider. I would take Jimmy over Guerrier as well. I think Jimmy is better offensively and defensively, and Guerrier is better on the boards.

Looking at Guerrier's game today, he was 3-11 from the field and 8 of those 11 shots came from 3. If the majority of his shots are going to come from 3 this year, than the advantage Jimmy has over him on offense is even bigger.

Jimmy is playing for the name on the front of the jersey

Quincy might be playing for the name on the back

 

[SUbear]

And if he wants to get to the league it isn’t without taking those shots (and making them). He needs to be somewhere he can at least attempt them if his goal is the next level. I don’t fault him for leaving and it will be known soon whether we missed out on him or not, but not going to take swipes at him for putting himself into a position needed to succeed.

He is not an NBA calibre player, unfortunate for him but just the way I see it.

 

[Sherman20]

FWIW Quincey tonight 3 points in an Oregon blowout win. 1/6 shooting, 1/4 from 3. 9 rebounds.

Q is a really good rebounder and should be good for Oregon this season. But Cole is a vastly better shooter, no question. He seems to be able to attack off the bounce as well and grab boards. Let’s hope that continues against better competition.

 

[two3zone]

He is not an NBA calibre player, unfortunate for him but just the way I see it.

I think you’re right, but him taking shots is his only chance, if he hits at a decent percentage this year, then he still has a better chance than if he was here.

 

[SUbear]

I think you’re right, but him taking shots is his only chance, if he hits at a decent percentage this year, then he still has a better chance than if he was here.

Players never make the league by doing things they are not good at.

 

[the villager]

If Q stayed he would likely take minutes from Bennie. Minutes he needs to get better. Early but looks like a better move for us than him.Wish him the best as he helped us to reach the sweet sixteen.

 

[Cheriehoop]

I actually think Jimmy is filling the Guerrier role on this team and not Swider. I would take Jimmy over Guerrier as well. I think Jimmy is better offensively and defensively, and Guerrier is better on the boards.

Looking at Guerrier's game today, he was 3-11 from the field and 8 of those 11 shots came from 3. If the majority of his shots are going to come from 3 this year, than the advantage Jimmy has over him on offense is even bigger.

Wishing the best for Quincy - last year per game he averaged 3.6 shots from 3 (31.1%) and 7.9 shots inside the arc (.554). Shooting it more from 3 wasn’t the answer to Quincy improving, it was shot selection (when to use it) and accuracy. That improvement should be done and evident from practice, then used in games.

At SU, Melo averaged just 1 more 3 point attempt (4.7) per game than Quincy but shot it better (33.7%) and Wes Johnson averaged only 3.5 three pointers/game here but also shot it better (34.9%) and got drafted.

Quincy isn’t ever going to be a shooting guard offensively nor defensively. His strength is his rebounding, he needs to be decent from 3, volume isn’t the answer to increasing his 3 point accuracy in games. Put backs, improving his ball handling and driving to the basket should be his priority while adding the long ball threat. He shouldn’t be taking 73% of his shots from the 3 point line.

 

[NKR1978]

And... this is why his departure is best for all parties concerned.

We needed him to continue to bang down low, and he (and his handlers/whatever) wanted to "showcase his perimeter game" so he'd be more attractive to the NBA.

He's a bulky shooting guard in height, who has the game of a PF, and wants to show he can be a SF.
That was never gonna fly with JB.

I hope those 3's start falling for him. Respect Altman for giving him the opportunity to develop the game he'll need for the NBA.

 

[UpstateSM]

Cole is already better in the zone, just talking rotations/anticipation/knowing where to be, than AG or Quincy. Just a really smart basketball player.

 

[CardiacCuse]

They have athletes and no pg or shooters. Will be interesting. I tend to think the media overrates them every year. If that's the cream of the crop of college basketball then its going to be an overall down season.

The rest of the ACC looks bad.

I agree. if duke-kentucky are legit top 10 teams then NCAA is down big-time overall.

 

[orangefog]

I think you’re right, but him taking shots is his only chance, if he hits at a decent percentage this year, then he still has a better chance than if he was here.

Yep, he made the right decision for himself. If he wants to make it to the NBA, it will not be as a power forward. JB doesn't see him as a wing player. Frankly, neither do I. I hope I am wrong, I would love to see him end up in the NBA. He worked his ass off for Syracuse.

 

[kmart128]

Swider looks like he is a much better ball handler than Quincy... and he always seems to be in the right position. Obviously he is a way better shooter as well.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I mean, you can like Swider and his game more, but we're comparing one game against a crap opponent to 2 seasons worth of Guerrier minutes, a lot of which he wasn't 100% healthy for.

 

[Col. Bleep]

I don't get all the negative comments about Quincy.
He worked his tail off at SU and played most of his freshman year hurt.

Maybe Cole will work better with this cast of characters but (other than as a 3-point shooter) we certainly can't tell after one game against a team like Lafayette.
And there's no way to know what Quincy would have done had he stayed at Syracuse.

We can make comparisons.
But given what Quincy did at SU, it's kind of unseemly.
We ought to just wish him well...unless the Orange play Oregon.

 

[rrlbees]

Have to kick him when he already walked out the door? Low class. He did nothing but work his tail off here. Ever question his effort here? Nope, didn’t think so.

Yea it’s classier to kick our own players while they’re still here working their tail off.

Nobody should be kicked. Current nor former players.