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College Football as We Knew It, is Over

The "salary cap" is the scholarship and scholarship limits per school. Even playing field for all with that.

The NIL money is just endorsement money on top of everything else. Can't stop that with this new rule.

The government won't get involved as there is nothing to get involved in. College sports have changed now. And it has drastically changed for mens football and basketball. You will have a handful of powerhouses with big financial banking behind them buying up the best recruits and paying kids to transfer to the big money schools. And the rest of the schools in America outside of those Top 20 will play games for pride and fun and regional rivalries but with no shot at winning a national title or anything or being able to recruit a superstar player.

You will have about a POWER 20 schools and everyone else will be like the Ivy League in time.
Agreed. Although, I'd put 30 schools in that category. (NFL model supports that)

The government won't get involved in NIL, but I expect they will in regards to player compensation, shortly.

I'd expect tv revenue, bowl payouts, etc. To fall for non power 20/30. Perhaps less national interest in the power teams.. . IF at that point, they find it more advantageous to float 30 more teams? Its possible. (NCAA NIL Parity) The college football playoff going from $600M to $2B, would leave plenty to support that. A system of economic parity, in that regard, could discourage boosters from buying championships, as the $$ they spent would float all boats.

Daydreaming? Probably. Although luxury tax, etc. Is a real thing in MLB, so anything is possible.
 
The "salary cap" is the scholarship and scholarship limits per school. Even playing field for all with that.

The NIL money is just endorsement money on top of everything else. Can't stop that with this new rule.

The government won't get involved as there is nothing to get involved in. College sports have changed now. And it has drastically changed for mens football and basketball. You will have a handful of powerhouses with big financial banking behind them buying up the best recruits and paying kids to transfer to the big money schools. And the rest of the schools in America outside of those Top 20 will play games for pride and fun and regional rivalries but with no shot at winning a national title or anything or being able to recruit a superstar player.

You will have about a POWER 20 schools and everyone else will be like the Ivy League in time.
This post did not help my mood today. It all sucks. But it's true, nonetheless
 
had the universities NOT sold the merchandise and exploited the popularity of certain athletes, perhaps amateurism may have stayed longer. the argument that a free education was payment does not compute in this greedy day and age. the student athlete was exploited which has led us to this.
When you factor in:
1) The student never had to pay dime for a HIGHLY expensive college education,
2) They received a college education from a prestigious university,
3) They never had to tack on interest for 20-30 YEARS to pay back that student loan that they never had to pay for
And 4) All the money they would have been paying back was pocketed 20-30 years and used for something else, giving them a huge advantage over most college graduates,

Then you will know that full scholarship athletes were not exploited, and nor were they ever treated as slaves (I know that wasn't your phrase, but one that has been thrown around)
 
Because as fans we ultimately root for our team’s laundry regardless who wears it.
Time will tell. I can tell you that I don't like College Basketball as much as I used to with so many guys coming and going every year. I don't know if I'm going to be as big a fan in 5 years with where everything is heading, but who knows? I know it's not simple, but think it would be much cleaner if each major conference Football and Basketball athlete had a significant stipend-at least that wouldn't be the Wild West.
 
Watch Pony Excess, read about Notre Dame in the 1920s, see how coaches manipulated the GI Bill post WW2.
I saw the Pony Excess. Of course, there have always been shady characters, but it will now be everywhere. As much as some want to say it was always there, it's just not the same as it will be.
 
I saw the Pony Excess. Of course, there have always been shady characters, but it will now be everywhere. As much as some want to say it was always there, it's just not the same as it will be.
That's just your opinion.
 
Nothing will change. It will still be the same 3 teams that have a chance to win anything.
^^^This^^^ That guy is going to be putting out a lot of money for players who probably would have gone to Miami anyway. Miami is competing with the SEC, FSU, and Clemson for players. NIL money might get them one or two players who might have gone elsewhere. This discussion is similar to "everyone is going to transfer to to Duke and Kentucky because of the Portal." There's still a roster limit. There's still a limit on how many players can sign in 1 year. NIL money can be added to the list of things players become disgruntled over, like lack of PT. so they'll decide to enter the Portal. And there's no intraconference transfer "ban" anymore. There are negative aspects to NIL, too. Everyone seems to want to ignore them.
 
I can’t speak on college football, but being a former division I athlete who won a individual conference championship, a team conference championship and made ncaa championship, I know I brought my school some serious cash that I never saw a dime of. Yes my tuition was free but I worked my entire life for that and the pay day to the program that I single handedly brought to the school, was far more than my scholarship.

For those that are criticizing this NIL, you have no idea what it means to be a college athlete and all the rules and nonsense you go through with your school and the NCAA. These kids deserve every single dollar they earn. How is it okay for a coach to make millions and millions of dollars off his players and the NCAA to make even more, but now all of a sudden they are a pro because they take money? No way, they are earning what is rightfully theirs and it will keep them in school longer representing our teams.

college football is in great shape because these types of deals are going to show community support and reward the kids for their efforts. Yes it may hurt SU because it isn’t Alabama, but creating profitable programs will help keep SU relevant in this “race”
 
When you factor in:
1) The student never had to pay dime for a HIGHLY expensive college education,
2) They received a college education from a prestigious university,
3) They never had to tack on interest for 20-30 YEARS to pay back that student loan that they never had to pay for
And 4) All the money they would have been paying back was pocketed 20-30 years and used for something else, giving them a huge advantage over most college graduates,

Then you will know that full scholarship athletes were not exploited, and nor were they ever treated as slaves (I know that wasn't your phrase, but one that has been thrown around)
This is pennies compared to the TV money flowing in. It's not that the compensation changed all that much (obv the price of college has increasing) - it's that the gulf between labor and income generated was so, so wide COMBINED with arcane rules limiting athletes from NIL money.

Schools building whiffle ball fields and slides and paying coaches to leave and a bazillion extra staff - all points to excess that wasn't making it's way to the players. The system anti-NIL people are defending is a broken one. The Uber-conservative justice Kav even agreed.
 
I saw the Pony Excess. Of course, there have always been shady characters, but it will now be everywhere. As much as some want to say it was always there, it's just not the same as it will be.
The difference is similar to a drug dealer selling you dope on the streets pre-marijauna laws to the shops set up now and the laws regulating it.

Before, guys were doing a shady thing in secret - that thing is now out in the open and subject to contracts and regulations and taxes just like any other business. It will be different - that's unavoidable. But at least it's more fair and above board.
 
This may actually motivate Congress to get involved to level the playing field. NIL is not going away but it has to be equally applied at all schools. There is a reason there is a salary cap in professional sports. Something will have to be done eventually.

As stated above, if that happens, then athletes become employees. Then it will get real interesting.
 
So, there was a Florida alumni lawyer/law professor on SiriusXM ESPNU First Team this morning. He actually worked on the Florida bill, negotiated the softball twins Boost contract and helped negotiate the Miami team deal. A few interesting things from him: 1) He's very concerned about players signing contracts that devalue their brand such as those that give little or no money in return for their likeness, 2) players need to be careful in signing away rights, ins some cases in perpetuity (something we've seen with the Carrier Dome), to companies, 3) keep in mind state laws, and by the NCAA, still forbid pay-for-play type contracts, (and this is now backed by the force of law in those states that have NIL legislation) and 4) University of Florida has a big deal coming down that will benefit all UF players and even the coach.

He also expects that many big corps will start stepping into the NIL fray in the coming months, but don't expect them to reduce their support to the school's athletic programs. Instead, he believes their deals will be additive to what they currently do. There was some worry about that when the Florida laws were being crafted.
 
While it's true that the simon-pure aspects of CF have been eroded over the years, there still exists a hearty portion of tradition, spirit and elements of amateurism in the sport. I prefer these motivations in my CF. Call it pining, but I still see a lot of student-athlete in our guys. To me this is what differentiates college sports from the pros. Some great stories of kids coming here and making a difference and developing as people. The pro side is necessarily a business. Not so much on the college side at the player level. I don't know...I'm drawn to it from my playground and school days. Wish it wasn't evaporating.

My larger point is that injecting the NIL dynamic into CF will create more of a free for all, money grab to a far greater extent than anything that goes on today - at least at the player level - and recruits will become ever more mercenary. At the coaches level it's already nuts.

PS: I find it a little strange when posters say DB is coaching for his job come the Ohio game. He may be, but it's a very soft landing with the golden-est of parachutes should our beloved coach get sacked.
CBS and Turner pay the NCAA over a billion dollars a year for the right to broadcast the men's basketball tournament. That's billion with a B.

The other major media companies pay the power 5 conferences multiple billions of dollars a year for the right to broadcast their football games. That's billions that ends in an S.

Head coaches in both sports make tens of millions of dollars between university salaries, booster payments, endorsements and other revenue streams. Administrators at universities make six, and seven, figure salaries.

The media executives that sign those deals also make six and seven figure salaries. As do those who work for the advertising agencies, marketing firms, sponsorship outlets, consumer goods and apparel corporations, and other businesses that profit wildly from the college sports space.

The college athletics system has been utterly awash in preposterous amounts of money for years. Precious little of it has gone to the people who actually play the games. They're going to get slightly more, in the grand scheme of things, given the new rules.

I get the love of "amateurism", but that has been an illusion, almost forever. I mean, it's not like the Miami players of the 80s weren't soaked in money and drugs and women. Yet they were "amateurs" because it was all handed out under the table.

Players will still be coming to these schools as 18 years olds and developing as people, students and athletes. That's not going to radically change. Fans will still love the sports because the teams represent something that lives deep within us. It may be a little different, but that's OK. Change is good, even though it can be disruptive and messy.

It'll be OK, hang in there.
 
When you factor in:
1) The student never had to pay dime for a HIGHLY expensive college education,
2) They received a college education from a prestigious university,
3) They never had to tack on interest for 20-30 YEARS to pay back that student loan that they never had to pay for
And 4) All the money they would have been paying back was pocketed 20-30 years and used for something else, giving them a huge advantage over most college graduates,

Then you will know that full scholarship athletes were not exploited, and nor were they ever treated as slaves (I know that wasn't your phrase, but one that has been thrown around)

Eh, I agree with your bullets, but what bothers me is the extent to which things have changed in the last ten or so years, with crazy press demands, kids being yanked out of school for big chunks of time for marketing junkets (league media days, bowl/tournament commercial shoots, etc.), insensitive scheduling decisions, and excessive offseason obligations.

I'm not saying the players are suffering, but their time sure is being taken for inappropriate purposes by people who are making a profit. Shame on the chancellors and trustees.
 
Eh, I agree with your bullets, but what bothers me is the extent to which things have changed in the last ten or so years, with crazy press demands, kids being yanked out of school for big chunks of time for marketing junkets (league media days, bowl/tournament commercial shoots, etc.), insensitive scheduling decisions, and excessive offseason obligations.

I'm not saying the players are suffering, but their time sure is being taken for inappropriate purposes by people who are making a profit. Shame on the chancellors and trustees.
And don't forget the tax man. Now these students are going to have to make sure they are paying their taxes as they go along.
 
For the rest of my life, I wonder how many times I am going to hear an announcer pump up a program by mentioning how much such and such star player inked such and such a deal for
 
After kids get the reality of paying taxes, eyes will open.

If the IRS starts taxing the "free" education, then things will heat up.
 
When you factor in:
1) The student never had to pay dime for a HIGHLY expensive college education,
2) They received a college education from a prestigious university,
3) They never had to tack on interest for 20-30 YEARS to pay back that student loan that they never had to pay for
And 4) All the money they would have been paying back was pocketed 20-30 years and used for something else, giving them a huge advantage over most college graduates,

Then you will know that full scholarship athletes were not exploited, and nor were they ever treated as slaves (I know that wasn't your phrase, but one that has been thrown around)
I think the flurry of opportunities popping up is showing pretty well that there's a delta between what the players had been given and what the players are currently worth.
 
For the rest of my life, I wonder how many times I am going to hear an announcer pump up a program by mentioning how much such and such star player inked such and such a deal for
Hmm.

I have a hunch that you won't hear it all that often. Those networks have their own advertisers. They won't want their broadcasters to give free advertising away.
 
When you factor in:
1) The student never had to pay dime for a HIGHLY expensive college education,
2) They received a college education from a prestigious university,
3) They never had to tack on interest for 20-30 YEARS to pay back that student loan that they never had to pay for
And 4) All the money they would have been paying back was pocketed 20-30 years and used for something else, giving them a huge advantage over most college graduates,

Then you will know that full scholarship athletes were not exploited, and nor were they ever treated as slaves (I know that wasn't your phrase, but one that has been thrown around)
Selling jerseys with a popular player’s number on it isn’t “exploiting”? I’ve got a number 21 Syracuse jersey, bought because our star player Moten was 21 at that time. Moten didn’t see a penny. That’s exploiting.
 
We haven’t been good since the 90s, so we’re clinging to nothing. Certainly can’t hurt us, so I’m fine with it. And it’s kinda...the right thing to do.

Agree. Before this, I just hoped for a winning record. Now I just hope for a winning record. Not much has changed with my football hopes and expectations
 
Agree. Before this, I just hoped for a winning record. Now I just hope for a winning record. Not much has changed with my football hopes and expectations

I can even talk myself into being ok with 4-8 but with one big upset W at this point. Especially if I can realistically claim we were “better than our record showed”.
 

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