Congratulations Coaches Pasqualoni and DeLeone

[lvilleorange]

He said KENTUCKY FANS. So you like UConn AND Kentucky now OrangePA? What other blue as a primary color teams do you fancy? Duke? I don't disagree with anything above, but you missed the point with RP. However, I can attest that the post above is wrong. You can find one or maybe ever 5...in the Commonwealth of 4+ million.

Those 5 aren't UK fans, they are fence riders who somehow root for both teams or whichever is doing better.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Actually, I root for Rick Pitino other than when he plays Syracuse.

He played an important role in the development of the modern SU Basketball Program when he arrived in 1977, including bringing Louis Orr to Syracuse University.

He was a good guy when he was here and left his mark on the program. That's good enough for me.

I don't recall you posting the results of Dallas and Miami when Coach P was there. Hopefully this will be the last week we will see the breakdown of the Yukon game on this board. Thanks in advance.

 

[OrangeMuskyFish]

My take... I hated P, and hated D more. That said, I root for them in Connecticut, and for many reasons.

-P&D did very good things for the Cuse, but their time came a bit too late for my taste. As long as they are not calling plays for the Orange, then I wish them the best elsewhere.

-Until the dust finally settles, we are still in the Big East, and still looking for respect as a conference that gets treated like a third-class citizen. Connecticut staying competitive would certainly help that.

-I hate Edsall, and I think it would be nice to see him flop at Maryland while his successor does just fine with the Huskies.

-Part of what hurts the Big East is a bland feeling when it comes to matchups. If Connecticut and Syracuse can stay around the top-25, you could be looking at a very nice rivalry from many different perspectives.

 

[OrangePA]

I don't recall you posting the results of Dallas and Miami when Coach P was there. Hopefully this will be the last week we will see the breakdown of the Yukon game on this board. Thanks in advance.

Actually, I think you mis-read the post.

I was not "posting the result" of the game. My presumption was that most, if not all, on this board knew the result.

I was congratulating the coaches on their debut win at UConn - in their return to the college game.

And, I was making some observations regarding their style of play that I thought might have some relevance as to what they did or what they preached while at SU.

Although I do not recall "posting the results" of games in Dallas or Miami, I'm pretty sure that I and others on this board commented on P and D's efforts in both cities.

But, if you do not wish to read my thoughts regarding what they do at UConn, please, by all means, disregard what I write.

Thanks in advance.

 

[OrangePA]

I understand you revere both P and D, but is this really necessary after a win over a Patriot League team?

If they had a huge upset win, a bowl win, great season, etc, I can understand giving them a shout out...but what on earth motivates you to make a post like this?

Well, a couple of things.

First, my post begins by acknowledging that Fordham offerred no competition. BTW, Fordham is an associate member of the P-League. Because Fordham offers football scholarships it does not actually compete amongst P-League teams though it plays the members of the P-League.

Second, it was their first game back in college since 2004.

Third, it involved a Big East team that we will play.

Fourth, there are many on this board who are interested in what P and D do and how they do it - whether they like P and D or dislike them.

And, fifth, I knew that by posting something positive on P and D I would stir the pot a bit - prompting good/interesting/silly discussion on the board.

Those are the things that motivated me.

 

[OrangePA]

He said KENTUCKY FANS. So you like UConn AND Kentucky now OrangePA? What other blue as a primary color teams do you fancy? Duke? I don't disagree with anything above, but you missed the point with RP. However, I can attest that the post above is wrong. You can find one or maybe ever 5...in the Commonwealth of 4+ million.

Yes, I understood the point of the post.

I gather you missed my point.

My point was this - I generally root for former Syracuse University players and coaches. That is my form of loyalty.

Rick Pitino is a former Orangeman. He did much to raise the level of SU BB play while he was here.

So, I root for him.

That was the point of my post - it had nothing to do with Ky.

 

[44cuse]

Clearly Fordham offerred little competition.

But P and D achieved what they always sought at SU - 200 yards rushing and 200 yards passing.

They ran the option at the goal line very effectively. The analyst, Christian Furia of Colorado, said "I have watched that play run by DeLeone thousands of times while preparing to take on Syracuse."

The Huskies used three QBs, including a frosh who ran the wildcat and threw a 55 yard TD pass of play action catching the Rams off guard.

The use of a designated running back is a reminder of Doug Womack.

You asked for this to die years ago, yet you still keep posting about it. Why? If you are trying to bait people, surprised you haven't realized that died a long time ago. You're the only one still talking about this.

44cuse

 

[OrangePA]

You're right, nobody responded to the post - not even you.

Just kidding.

 

[44cuse]

You're right, nobody responded to the post - not even you.

Just kidding.

I know you are just kidding, but I have not responded to one of these threads (ie: A P&D thread started or commented on by you) in a couple of years. So the counter to your original thread would have been to post every time P's defenses had a bad game or there were questions about him in the NFL. No one did that. So I just find it curious why you still feel you have to bring it up here.

You always wanted people to let it go...so let it go.

44cuse

 

[HurleyForHeisman]

Believe me, there isn't a UK fan today rooting for Rick Pitino in Louisville.

If Kentucky had fired Pitino after winning the SEC and brought in a coach who proceeded to have consecutive 6-20 seasons, I'd bet a lot of UK fans would still think fondly of him.

 

[TampaLaker]

If Kentucky had fired Pitino after winning the SEC and brought in a coach who proceeded to have consecutive 6-20 seasons, I'd bet a lot of UK fans would still think fondly of him.

But the minute he took the job at Louisville while one of their own alumni had returned and shown real progress in turning their program around, they would stop rehashing how wonderful he is and praising everything he did...
that said... there are now 35 responses on this thread so it is obviously generating some heat... and at least it is not another expansion guess...

 

[DNABB5]

OrangePA, I agree with the loyalty thing, just the former coach now at a rival part was what I though you missed.

I look at it like this. P&D can only greatly succeed at Syracuse's expense at least somewhat. so while I certainly remember and value their years of service for Syracuse, I cannot justify wanting to see them succeed at freEEEKING UCONN

I can muster enough to want to see him win OOC and against the Blight and maybe even another team in a spoiler role that behooves Syracuse in standings, but that it about it. We are talking UConn, man.

Basically, I am hoping that P is just good enough to not get fired till he retires from the game with a slightly better than Rutgers 12-year rolling winning PCT.

One thing that I do want to see P and D is bring out that brilliant punt formation from the Champ Sport Bowl when they play Syracuse. That would be very very very very very very very very very nice of Paul.

 

[OrangePA]

I root for the Orange. I have my whole life.

That doesn't mean that I don't root for those who helped make my Syracuse sports experience better. P and D made my experience great for nearly twenty years, and I'll never forget it. I feel the same way about the many BB coaches who have come through Jim Boeheim's program - including Rick Pitino.

As far as the punt formation thing, I recall that P adopted the 2004 formation that the Toledo coach had brought to the Dome the year before.

Most teams now use that formation or a variation of that formation.

Though most on this board would disagree, the fact is that P was always adopting to new thoughts and strategies while on the Hill. And he did that with Brendan Carney that year because Brendan, you will recall, took a long time in getting punts away.

Anyway, I appreciate the thoughts and observations.

 

[Noexcuse]

I have to be honest with you. Pitino is barely a blip on the radar when it comes to ex assistant coaches at SU. His claim to fame came after he left here and his impact on the program was negligible imo. I would bet JB is more grateful to Pitino for introducing him to his wife than for what he did to advance the team.

 

[OrangePA]

Pitino had a significant impact on the program.

 

[CaliCuse]

Clearly Fordham offerred little competition.

But P and D achieved what they always sought at SU - 200 yards rushing and 200 yards passing.

They ran the option at the goal line very effectively. The analyst, Christian Furia of Colorado, said "I have watched that play run by DeLeone thousands of times while preparing to take on Syracuse."

The Huskies used three QBs, including a frosh who ran the wildcat and threw a 55 yard TD pass of play action catching the Rams off guard.

The use of a designated running back is a reminder of Doug Womack.

I am not a Pand D fan and hope we crush them badly. The only Deleone I liked was Roberta and her kids. Seemed like a good family unit. P was in over his head and couldn't tread water.

 

[kirbivore]

serious question: Who will you be rooting for on November 5th?

 

[orange79]

I root for the Orange. I have my whole life.

That doesn't mean that I don't root for those who helped make my Syracuse sports experience better. P and D made my experience great for nearly twenty years, and I'll never forget it. I feel the same way about the many BB coaches who have come through Jim Boeheim's program - including Rick Pitino.

As far as the punt formation thing, I recall that P adopted the 2004 formation that the Toledo coach had brought to the Dome the year before.

Most teams now use that formation or a variation of that formation.

Though most on this board would disagree, the fact is that P was always adopting to new thoughts and strategies while on the Hill. And he did that with Brendan Carney that year because Brendan, you will recall, took a long time in getting punts away.

Anyway, I appreciate the thoughts and observations.

OPa, love you and the information you generously supply to the board. I appreciate all that P and D did for SU, as I know you do. But given that they are now at a conference member, I hope they fail. Because if they don't, it will directly effect my beloved Orangemen. It's not personal. It's sports. You are either for me or against me.

 

[SWC75]

Clearly Fordham offerred little competition.

But P and D achieved what they always sought at SU - 200 yards rushing and 200 yards passing.

Just out of curiosity, I decided to check on how often they did that at Syracuse- and against whom.

Here are the 200/200 games in their joint tenure, along with the season averages. Since the caliber of completion might be viewed as a factor, I recorded the opposing team’s won-lost record as well.

1991 average: 181/183
Vanderbilt 270/222 (5-6)
Tulane 220/210 (1-10)
Pittsburgh 238/268 (6-5)

1992 average: 223/200
East Carolina 421/213 (5-6)
Rutgers 250/425 (7-4)
West Virginia 218/245 (5-4-2)
Virginia Tech 231/210 (2-8-1)

1993 average: 154/240
Ball State 290/222 (8-3-1)
Temple 284/265 (1-10)

1994 average: 201/148
Pittsburgh 414/204 (3-8)
Temple 284/265 (2-9)

1995 average: 194/193
Eastern Michigan 267/209 (6-5)

1996 average: 227/159
Boston College 200/268 (5-7)
Tulane 241/271 (2-9)
Army 222/285 (10-2)
Miami (Florida 219/203) (9-3)

1997 average: 199/229
Wisconsin 227/243 (8-5)
Rutgers 358/257 (0-11)
West Virginia 236/238 (7-5)

1998 average: 220/201
Cincinnati 353/284 (2-9)
(no, we didn't do it against either Michigan or Miami, which surprized me)

1999 average: 174/168
Central Michigan 234/261 (4-7)
Tulane 243/264 (3-8)

2000 average: 208/171
Brigham Young 224/228 (6-6)

2001 average 169/152
Boston College 322/253 (8-4)

2002 average 189/188
Rhode Island 280/349 (3-9)
Virginia Tech 201/403 (10-4)

2003 average 189/180
North Carolina 230/288 (2-10)
Louisville 217/229 (9-4)
Temple 232/221 (1-11)
Notre Dame 247/209 (5-7)

2004 average 179/170
Pittsburgh 239/230 (8-4)
Temple 235/240 (2-9)

Of 167 games, P-D went 200/200 thirty-two times, 19%. Thirteen of those teams had winning records. Sixteen of them were in BCS conferences at the time. Eight of them were BCS teams with winning records. They averaged 200/200 for a season twice- in 1992 and 1998.

Courtesy: stats on Upperdeck’s site[/quote]

 

[suthrills]

The most shocking aspect of SWC's research is that Rutgers actually had a winning record in 1992.

 

[690West]

The most shocking aspect of SWC's research is that Rutgers actually had a winning record in 1992.

Quick! Someone alert RutgersAl

 

[hungrychuck]

Outstanding analysis, and it shows the cratering of the SU program did not begin with GRob.

But perhaps the best comment ever made on the P&D era came from Cali:

"P was in over his head and couldn't tread water."

Succinct, direct and brutally accurate.

I support only one college football team, and it is the Syracuse Orangemen.

Just out of curiosity, I decided to check on how often they did that at Syracuse- and against whom.

Here are the 200/200 games in their joint tenure, along with the season averages. Since the caliber of completion might be viewed as a factor, I recorded the opposing team’s won-lost record as well.

1991 average: 181/183
Vanderbilt 270/222 (5-6)
Tulane 220/210 (1-10)
Pittsburgh 238/268 (6-5)

1992 average: 223/200
East Carolina 421/213 (5-6)
Rutgers 250/425 (7-4)
West Virginia 218/245 (5-4-2)
Virginia Tech 231/210 (2-8-1)

1993 average: 154/240
Ball State 290/222 (8-3-1)
Temple 284/265 (1-10)

1994 average: 201/148
Pittsburgh 414/204 (3-8)
Temple 284/265 (2-9)

1995 average: 194/193
Eastern Michigan 267/209 (6-5)

1996 average: 227/159
Boston College 200/268 (5-7)
Tulane 241/271 (2-9)
Army 222/285 (10-2)
Miami (Florida 219/203) (9-3)

1997 average: 199/229
Wisconsin 227/243 (8-5)
Rutgers 358/257 (0-11)
West Virginia 236/238 (7-5)

1998 average: 220/201
Cincinnati 353/284 (2-9)
(no, we didn't do it against either Michigan or Miami, which surprized me)

1999 average: 174/168
Central Michigan 234/261 (4-7)
Tulane 243/264 (3-8)

2000 average: 208/171
Brigham Young 224/228 (6-6)

2001 average 169/152
Boston College 322/253 (8-4)

2002 average 189/188
Rhode Island 280/349 (3-9)
Virginia Tech 201/403 (10-4)

2003 average 189/180
North Carolina 230/288 (2-10)
Louisville 217/229 (9-4)
Temple 232/221 (1-11)
Notre Dame 247/209 (5-7)

2004 average 179/170
Pittsburgh 239/230 (8-4)
Temple 235/240 (2-9)

Of 167 games, P-D went 200/200 thirty-two times, 19%. Thirteen of those teams had winning records. Sixteen of them were in BCS conferences at the time. Eight of them were BCS teams with winning records. They averaged 200/200 for a season twice- in 1992 and 1998.

Courtesy: stats on Upperdeck’s site

[/quote]

 

[GoSU96]

Just out of curiosity, I decided to check on how often they did that at Syracuse- and against whom.

Here are the 200/200 games in their joint tenure, along with the season averages. Since the caliber of completion might be viewed as a factor, I recorded the opposing team’s won-lost record as well.

1991 average: 181/183
Vanderbilt 270/222 (5-6)
Tulane 220/210 (1-10)
Pittsburgh 238/268 (6-5)

1992 average: 223/200
East Carolina 421/213 (5-6)
Rutgers 250/425 (7-4)
West Virginia 218/245 (5-4-2)
Virginia Tech 231/210 (2-8-1)

1993 average: 154/240
Ball State 290/222 (8-3-1)
Temple 284/265 (1-10)

1994 average: 201/148
Pittsburgh 414/204 (3-8)
Temple 284/265 (2-9)

1995 average: 194/193
Eastern Michigan 267/209 (6-5)

1996 average: 227/159
Boston College 200/268 (5-7)
Tulane 241/271 (2-9)
Army 222/285 (10-2)
Miami (Florida 219/203) (9-3)

1997 average: 199/229
Wisconsin 227/243 (8-5)
Rutgers 358/257 (0-11)
West Virginia 236/238 (7-5)

1998 average: 220/201
Cincinnati 353/284 (2-9)
(no, we didn't do it against either Michigan or Miami, which surprized me)

1999 average: 174/168
Central Michigan 234/261 (4-7)
Tulane 243/264 (3-8)

2000 average: 208/171
Brigham Young 224/228 (6-6)

2001 average 169/152
Boston College 322/253 (8-4)

2002 average 189/188
Rhode Island 280/349 (3-9)
Virginia Tech 201/403 (10-4)

2003 average 189/180
North Carolina 230/288 (2-10)
Louisville 217/229 (9-4)
Temple 232/221 (1-11)
Notre Dame 247/209 (5-7)

2004 average 179/170
Pittsburgh 239/230 (8-4)
Temple 235/240 (2-9)

Of 167 games, P-D went 200/200 thirty-two times, 19%. Thirteen of those teams had winning records. Sixteen of them were in BCS conferences at the time. Eight of them were BCS teams with winning records. They averaged 200/200 for a season twice- in 1992 and 1998.

Courtesy: stats on Upperdeck’s site

[/quote]

I guess you missed the word "sought". Kinda important.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I guess you missed the word "sought". Kinda important.[/quote]

Exactly, good lord.

 

[OrangePA]

Just out of curiosity, I decided to check on how often they did that at Syracuse- and against whom.

Here are the 200/200 games in their joint tenure, along with the season averages. Since the caliber of completion might be viewed as a factor, I recorded the opposing team’s won-lost record as well.

1991 average: 181/183
Vanderbilt 270/222 (5-6)
Tulane 220/210 (1-10)
Pittsburgh 238/268 (6-5)

1992 average: 223/200
East Carolina 421/213 (5-6)
Rutgers 250/425 (7-4)
West Virginia 218/245 (5-4-2)
Virginia Tech 231/210 (2-8-1)

1993 average: 154/240
Ball State 290/222 (8-3-1)
Temple 284/265 (1-10)

1994 average: 201/148
Pittsburgh 414/204 (3-8)
Temple 284/265 (2-9)

1995 average: 194/193
Eastern Michigan 267/209 (6-5)

1996 average: 227/159
Boston College 200/268 (5-7)
Tulane 241/271 (2-9)
Army 222/285 (10-2)
Miami (Florida 219/203) (9-3)

1997 average: 199/229
Wisconsin 227/243 (8-5)
Rutgers 358/257 (0-11)
West Virginia 236/238 (7-5)

1998 average: 220/201
Cincinnati 353/284 (2-9)
(no, we didn't do it against either Michigan or Miami, which surprized me)

1999 average: 174/168
Central Michigan 234/261 (4-7)
Tulane 243/264 (3-8)

2000 average: 208/171
Brigham Young 224/228 (6-6)

2001 average 169/152
Boston College 322/253 (8-4)

2002 average 189/188
Rhode Island 280/349 (3-9)
Virginia Tech 201/403 (10-4)

2003 average 189/180
North Carolina 230/288 (2-10)
Louisville 217/229 (9-4)
Temple 232/221 (1-11)
Notre Dame 247/209 (5-7)

2004 average 179/170
Pittsburgh 239/230 (8-4)
Temple 235/240 (2-9)

Of 167 games, P-D went 200/200 thirty-two times, 19%. Thirteen of those teams had winning records. Sixteen of them were in BCS conferences at the time. Eight of them were BCS teams with winning records. They averaged 200/200 for a season twice- in 1992 and 1998.

Courtesy: stats on Upperdeck’s site

[/quote]
Since DeLeone was running the offense starting in 1985, you should probably include the additional six years.