Congressional action is coming towards collegiate athletics

[Alsacs]

Senators Announce Proposal for 'College Athletes Bill of Rights'

A group of U.S. senators plans to introduce in Congress “a college athletes bill of rights” seeking to guarantee NCAA players monetary compensation, long-term healthcare, lifetime educational scholarships and more eligibility freedoms.

www.si.com

Players are going to get more.
I expect a lot of non-revenue sports across the nation to get the axe.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

That's a solid article. Very interesting.

 

[TexanMark]

Who is going to pay for all of this?
Several unintended consequences, IMHO:

. Higher Tuition
. More student athletes will leave before graduation to pursue NFL/NBA
. Slippery Slope towards open professionalism
. Further alienation between athletes and other students
. Cutting other sports
. Decrease bond between Alumni and School

 

[Orijinal]

I don't understand this and never will. We act like these kids are so put out to pasture. Poor them. They get a free college education, and now stipends. They are still mistreated.

They need to have the whole world and then everything will be fair and square ...except where in the world is the money going to come from to pay an entire college football roster, let alone women's and men's basketball, etc ...? College isn't the NFL. You start paying players and so many other things have to get cut. And you know what, it's other athletes that will suffer. It's all asinine. And people are going to realize it right away once the move is made to pay players

 

[SURules]

It will be the end of College sports if Congress gets involved.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Senators Announce Proposal for 'College Athletes Bill of Rights'

A group of U.S. senators plans to introduce in Congress “a college athletes bill of rights” seeking to guarantee NCAA players monetary compensation, long-term healthcare, lifetime educational scholarships and more eligibility freedoms.

www.si.com

Players are going to get more.
I expect a lot of non-revenue sports across the nation to get the axe.

They can only cut non-revenue sports as long as Title IX requirements aren't effected. Some programs may have to cut football instead.

 

[TexanMark]

It will be the end of College sports if Congress gets involved.

As we know it. It will be different and probably lots of issues they didn't realize would happen but hey we'll throw more money at it for political appointed experts to fix

 

[Acesn8s]

I don't understand this and never will. We act like these kids are so put out to pasture. Poor them. They get a free college education, and now stipends. They are still mistreated.

They need to have the whole world and then everything will be fair and square ...except where in the world is the money going to come from to pay an entire college football roster, let alone women's and men's basketball, etc ...? College isn't the NFL. You start paying players and so many other things have to get cut. And you know what, it's other athletes that will suffer. It's all asinine. And people are going to realize it right away once the move is made to pay players

I think you are spot on. A free scholarship is treated like it is worthless. Well for the one percent that everybody is worried about OK fine you go to the NFL. for them College football can be a showcase of talent...... But the third string center is not going to have people knocking down the door for endorsement deals, or other financial gains. For the 99 percent of kids who will never play football again that scholarship could mean setting themselves up for the real world for the rest of their lives. If they fail to use it wisely then tough break.

 

[Alsacs]

They can only cut non-revenue sports as long as Title IX requirements aren't effected. Some programs may have to cut football instead.

They will cut men’s programs and women’s programs equally.

Sports like golf, swimming.

 

[Orijinal]

I think you are spot on. A free scholarship is treated like it is worthless. Well for the one percent that everybody is worried about OK fine you go to the NFL. for them College football can be a showcase of talent... But the third string center is not going to have people knocking down the door for endorsement deals, or other financial gains. For the 99 percent of kids who will never play football again that scholarship could mean setting themselves up for the real world for the rest of their lives. If they fail to use it wisely then tough break.

I think maybe some people have never had to pay for a college tuition, so they don't really realize the burden that it puts on a student once out of college.

I have been out of college for almost 20 years and I still have 1 year left to pay for tuition. Not only is it a financial burden, it puts you behind the 8 ball to building real wealth because you are constantly paying debt.

A paid college tuition with a real degree is of enormous value. Absolutely enormous

 

[Admiral Koga]

I think you are spot on. A free scholarship is treated like it is worthless. Well for the one percent that everybody is worried about OK fine you go to the NFL. for them College football can be a showcase of talent... But the third string center is not going to have people knocking down the door for endorsement deals, or other financial gains. For the 99 percent of kids who will never play football again that scholarship could mean setting themselves up for the real world for the rest of their lives. If they fail to use it wisely then tough break.

A majority of families begin saving, if they are lucky, when their children are born and never quite get to, eighteen years later, an amount to offset a college education. There are obviously a lot of factors involved in that saving process but your highlighted statement above is so true. And one that drive me absolutely nuts about this whole argument. The value of the scholarship goes beyond the dollar amount to so many...the opportunity and experience...I don't know. Maybe the whole thing needs blown up for some to see what the value really is.

 

[orangepassion]

Senators Announce Proposal for 'College Athletes Bill of Rights'

A group of U.S. senators plans to introduce in Congress “a college athletes bill of rights” seeking to guarantee NCAA players monetary compensation, long-term healthcare, lifetime educational scholarships and more eligibility freedoms.

www.si.com

Players are going to get more.
I expect a lot of non-revenue sports across the nation to get the axe.

This sounds like professional Football and if you thought recruiting was a little crazy before, this will be wild, wild, west. Think College Football would lose a lot of its appeal w/ this. If you want to watch professional Football, why settle for the minor leagues (which is what this would become) when you can just watch the NFL.

 

[elimunelson]

This sounds like professional Football and if you thought recruiting was a little crazy before, this will be wild, wild, west.

College sports are finished as we know them. How they come out on the other side is probably not even contemplated yet. I suspect non revenue sports will just become club sports at many schools. The amount to fund these will be offset by the pensions you are setting up for football players.

Like I said on another thread, the days of Syracuse playing football is probably over by the time the clock strikes 2035

 

[Libero2]

I think maybe some people have never had to pay for a college tuition, so they don't really realize the burden that it puts on a student once out of college.

I have been out of college for almost 20 years and I still have 1 year left to pay for tuition. Not only is it a financial burden, it puts you behind the 8 ball to building real wealth because you are constantly paying debt.

A paid college tuition with a real degree is of enormous value. Absolutely enormous

This is so unbelievably true.

my last GF was lucky enough to have college paid for by her parents, in full. Meanwhile I was paying every penny. While we were in different professions, we were making within $2500 of each other at 27 (well I was 28). I was on payment plans paying nearly $600 a month in student loans, she bought a house, and a new car.

getting out of school debt free makes a tremendous difference in the long term wealth of a person. Absolutely amazing amounts of money go to student loan interest when you are a kid just trying to start out in life

 

[TheCusian]

I don't understand this and never will. We act like these kids are so put out to pasture. Poor them. They get a free college education, and now stipends. They are still mistreated.

They need to have the whole world and then everything will be fair and square ...except where in the world is the money going to come from to pay an entire college football roster, let alone women's and men's basketball, etc ...? College isn't the NFL. You start paying players and so many other things have to get cut. And you know what, it's other athletes that will suffer. It's all asinine. And people are going to realize it right away once the move is made to pay players

I think most people apply the economics of when they first started following CFB and apply it to the situation now. The disparities between how much players bring in to a college and what they gain grows every year. When we say “SEC makes x this year“ it’s more than the year before.

The excess goes to who?

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The thing that has happened during COVID is an acceleration of Union-type organizing. The players have had a lot of power and are just now realizing how much. The actions by Congress will be to set some working boundaries to that power.

 

[dan7800]

Who is going to pay for all of this?
Several unintended consequences, IMHO:

. Higher Tuition
. More student athletes will leave before graduation to pursue NFL/NBA
. Slippery Slope towards open professionalism
. Further alienation between athletes and other students
. Cutting other sports
. Decrease bond between Alumni and School

Precisely. For us, by far the largest expense increase over the last several years is in the form of scholarships for students from under represented groups. 110% of our tuition increase from last year went directly to students from these groups.

Even without COVID/sports, schools are going to take a major hit in the next few years to do:

1. New laws from the college admissions scandal (laws that don't really have anything to do with folks buying their kids into schools, but items that were tacked onto these laws)
2. Decreased number of students who will be attending college in the next few years.

There isn't a ton of "fat" to cut at most schools.

 

[skurey]

Why aren't we paying the admins with free college tuition and stipends?

 

[Janner]

I guess they could always eliminate the NCAA, at that point I'm not sure what purpose they would serve (I kind of question what purpose they serve now). That would be an extra $1 billion in annual funding they could use to help pay some bills.

 

[TheCusian]

This sounds like professional Football and if you thought recruiting was a little crazy before, this will be wild, wild, west. Think College Football would lose a lot of its appeal w/ this. If you want to watch professional Football, why settle for the minor leagues (which is what this would become) when you can just watch the NFL.

you base your fandom on if they are compensated fairly and pick the one where they are getting an unequal cut of the pie?

what’s the difference between if they get paid or not to your fandom? Are you offended?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

This is so unbelievably true.

my last GF was lucky enough to have college paid for by her parents, in full. Meanwhile I was paying every penny. While we were in different professions, we were making within $2500 of each other at 27 (well I was 28). I was on payment plans paying nearly $600 a month in student loans, she bought a house, and a new car.

getting out of school debt free makes a tremendous difference in the long term wealth of a person. Absolutely amazing amounts of money go to student loan interest when you are a kid just trying to start out in life

I agree with you 100%. I was able to graduate from undergrad with relatively little debt because BYU is a crazy inexpensive school relative to its recognition (there was a semester where my younger sister paid more in tuition to go to OCC than I was at BYU), and then was doubly fortunate to marry a woman that also graduated with no debt. We paid off my loans quick (even my masters loans) and it has significantly freed us and our financial decision making to not carry that with us.

That said... I do view it as a separate issue from how student-athletes experience and navigate higher education. For many of them, the education comes secondary to their athletic commitments, having such long term impacts as choice of major, limitations on required internship opportunities, etc. It's also become clear that capping benefits for student-athletes at the scholarship depressed their value. I think that needs to stop.

That's why I think the "name and likeness" concept has such potential, if it ends there. It doesn't commit anything additional from the school (which I think is really important. Anything more is dangerous). It allows those student-athletes with value above that of the scholarship have a mechanism to realize it. It avoids any Title IX issues.

It isn't a perfect solution, but it's the most sensible one. The proposals Booker puts forward are interesting, but likely go several steps too far.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Precisely. For us, by far the largest expense increase over the last several years is in the form of scholarships for students from under represented groups. 110% of our tuition increase from last year went directly to students from these groups.

Even without COVID/sports, schools are going to take a major hit in the next few years to do:

1. New laws from the college admissions scandal (laws that don't really have anything to do with folks buying their kids into schools, but items that were tacked onto these laws)
2. Decreased number of students who will be attending college in the next few years.

There isn't a ton of "fat" to cut at most schools.

At schools, I agree. Not a ton of fat.

In college athletics? Well... coaching salaries, under the table "bags," the facilities arms race, those things all suggest that it's not a question of if the dollars are there, but who's getting them, why, and how fair is it that they are.

 

[Ozcuse]

Schools were able to provide full scholarships to all of these athletes in the 1980’s, 1990’s, and early 2000’s before the massive influx of tv money.

Where is that tv money going?

College coaches are the highest paid state employees in much of our country. Schools are building temples to football and basketball and a few years later tearing them down and rebuilding.

The increased liquidity from tv money is causing massive inflation in the revenue sports coaching industry (salary and buyouts) because the money has to be spent somewhere.

Also we say the scholarship has a value of $70,000 however most of these players would receive federal subsidies and other need based aid that would drop the cost of attendance well under that amount without football.

Analysis: After Dabo Swinney's deal, how high can college football salaries go? Keep watching.

Dabo Swinney's record $93 million deal with Clemson begs the question of how high salaries can go for college football coaches.

www.usatoday.com

 

[All4SU]

Senators Announce Proposal for 'College Athletes Bill of Rights'

A group of U.S. senators plans to introduce in Congress “a college athletes bill of rights” seeking to guarantee NCAA players monetary compensation, long-term healthcare, lifetime educational scholarships and more eligibility freedoms.

www.si.com

Players are going to get more.
I expect a lot of non-revenue sports across the nation to get the axe.

If more non revenue sports are chopped, that is deplorable. The opportunity to earn an athletic scholarship should not be reserved to the few privileged athletes in basketball and football.

 

[Doc5120]

I don't understand this and never will. We act like these kids are so put out to pasture. Poor them. They get a free college education, and now stipends. They are still mistreated.

They need to have the whole world and then everything will be fair and square ...except where in the world is the money going to come from to pay an entire college football roster, let alone women's and men's basketball, etc ...? College isn't the NFL. You start paying players and so many other things have to get cut. And you know what, it's other athletes that will suffer. It's all asinine. And people are going to realize it right away once the move is made to pay players

Not to mention, if we're being completely real here - a fair number of football and basketball players would not get into some of these schools based solely on academics. A free education, stipend & being BMOC is nothing to scoff at.

 

[Acesn8s]

One other thing I would like to vent about, I am so sick of hearing how much coaches make, and how much athletic directors make or even conference commissioners make. They make what they are able to make at the top 1 percent of their professions. Only Division 1 coaches at the highest level are making huge amount of money. The head coaches at the D2 or D3 level make a small fraction of what their counterparts make. It is just like any other profession. IF the 99 percent of these scholarship athletes use their free scholarship, work hard, use their connections, they can make a very solid living as well. And then the 1 percent who make it to the NFL they will be compensated as the market demands and be paid for handsomely for their talent.