Cooney Won that game

[CuseFaninVT]

It SUCKS BALLS.

Nothing worse than a bad back when you have to run.

Seriously. You've got nothing in your legs when your back gives out on you. God getting old is just fantastic.

So glad my back issues are behind me. Pun intended.

 

[Shark58]

BJ won the game for us, but we also don't win without Cooney's heroics at the end.

 

[BuffOrange]

11 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists, 0 turnovers. With a bad back. Focus on the negative...

Oh please. This thread wasn't started by anyone complaining he nearly cost us the game. It was started by the equally absurd opposite extreme.

 

[RF2044]

Seriously. You've got nothing in your legs when your back gives out on you. God getting old is just fantastic.

So glad my back issues are behind me. Pun intended.

My father, who is also a basketball player, and me [and my sister] all have a back problem where we throw out our backs two or three times a year. It sucks--I can barely walk, let alone run or do anything necessitated by playing hoops.

And there is no "cure" beyond time / rest, until your back recovers. It is easy to throw it out again. So basically, Cooney is toughing it out, and likely won't heal until he has more time off. These kids have access to great therapy, athletic trainers, etc. which helps. But there's no substitute for rest and time.

 

[jgeorge322]

11 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists, 0 turnovers. With a bad back. Focus on the negative...

My comment was in reference to the debate over his bench time rather than to the quality of his play.

 

[tbonezone]

so someone tell me once again why cooney has to play 40 minutes...?

 

[Ghost]

Anyone ever play with a bad back? It sucks balls. Seriously. But the interesting thing is that sometimes the back will loosen up as the game goes along. I honestly think that's what happened tonight. No way he makes the same shots in the beginning of the game with a tight back.

Glad it worked out, but his defense was fairly bad tonight.

Didn't he open the game with a nice drive and a step-back jumper (a semi-deep two)? He seems to have gone away from that aspect of his game. Hopefully he returns to it a bit more.

 

[Ghost]

so someone tell me once again why cooney has to play 40 minutes...?

We can't score if he sits.

And the drop off between Cooney and anyone on the bench is so dramatic that it would cause a famine of epic productions were we to play someone else for a few minutes.

Or so I'm told.

I called it in the game thread btw - TC was gonna take-over! Soon as he hit that corner shot, it was his game for the taking! And he took it!

 

[Cowtown]

Ya. That's not sabermetrics or analytics.

I gave the kid big credit. Huge shots with a bad back.

Doesn't change it's an inefficient game from him. It means that his big shots made up for other parts of his game.

But sure, "so what".

Inefficient? Three ND guards were a combined 0-14 from the arc. That's inefficient.

 

[Cowtown]

Seriously. You've got nothing in your legs when your back gives out on you. God getting old is just fantastic.

Tell me about it ...

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Kid showed onions. Do nothing for 30 minutes because you are banged up and then step up with Rak out? Cold blooded.

Depends who does it. A no name or a known commodity.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

It SUCKS BALLS.

Nothing worse than a bad back when you have to run.

The kid could not get enough lift to make a lay up against Pitt. Gutsy kid.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Anyone ever play with a bad back? It sucks balls. Seriously. But the interesting thing is that sometimes the back will loosen up as the game goes along. I honestly think that's what happened tonight. No way he makes the same shots in the beginning of the game with a tight back.

Glad it worked out, but his defense was fairly bad tonight.

Been dealing with back issues (on top of tennis elbow and chronic ankle stiffness from a bad ankle sprain over a year ago) for a few months now. Think I partially tore some muscles in my lower lat region. Back gets tight often and it's on and off pain to bend over.

Really frustrating and bumming me out big time.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Been dealing with back issues (on top of tennis elbow and chronic ankle stiffness from a bad ankle sprain over a year ago) for a few months now. Think I partially tore some muscles in my lower lat region. Back gets tight often and it's on and off pain to bend over.

Really frustrating and bumming me out big time.

By the way, that ankle stiffness probably won't ever go away. I have that in both. And I still keep playing as much as the wife allows.

 

[NineOneSeven]

By the way, that ankle stiffness probably won't ever go away. I have that in both. And I still keep playing as much as the wife allows.

I'm starting to think that's the case. I do as much mobility related work as possible to regain some flexibility but it's tough. I've sprained this ankle in the past so all of those on top of this complete tear (which it had to be...so painful) just finally put it over the edge. And yes, it was from bball.

As for my back... Not sure what my plan is.

 

[bballbeadle]

Inefficient? Three ND guards were a combined 0-14 from the arc. That's inefficient.

Yeah, I wonder what the backstory was about that? It seems they just didn't come to play last night, although I hate that stupid expression!

 

[alphaorange]

I don't know if he won the game but I know this: Without him, we most surely lose it. Nobody else on this team was going to make those shots.

 

[Cowtown]

Been dealing with back issues (on top of tennis elbow and chronic ankle stiffness from a bad ankle sprain over a year ago) for a few months now. Think I partially tore some muscles in my lower lat region. Back gets tight often and it's on and off pain to bend over.

Really frustrating and bumming me out big time.

Well, you'd better get a physio type on it and the sooner the better. You don't want it to become chronic. Scar tissue will build in over top of scar tissue, and it becomes exceedingly difficult to deal with. And if it does, today is the best it's likely to ever feel. Money is nothing without your health.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Well, you'd better get a physio type on it and the sooner the better. You don't want it to become chronic. Scar tissue will build in over top of scar tissue, and it becomes exceedingly difficult to deal with. And if it does, today is the best it's likely to ever feel. Money is nothing without your health.

We talking ankle or back? Because for the ankle, I certainly have learned a lot about built up scar tissue..

 

[Cowtown]

We talking ankle or back? Because for the ankle, I certainly have learned a lot about built up scar tissue..

Certainly the ankle; backs also need attention because, for example, a degenerating disc can develop in to permanent sciatica. And if two vertebrae fuse and pinch off a nerve, that is the end of that. Period. I put two vertebrae out of alignment once, and two months+ with a chiro did the job - about a dozen adjustments, exercises, etc. Good luck with it.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Certainly the ankle; backs also need attention because, for example, a degenerating disc can develop in to permanent sciatica. And if two vertebrae fuse and pinch off a nerve, that is the end of that. Period. I put two vertebrae out of alignment once, and two months+ with a chiro did the job - about a dozen adjustments, exercises, etc. Good luck with it.

So there's still hope for the ankle? I've pretty much just got to the point where Ive accepted defeat (severe sprain was in december 2013). I do think mobility exercises have helped with improving the dorsiflexion, but like I said, it's not easy breaking down that scar tissue.

I do think I'll check out a chiropractor. I've heard mixed things about them though.

 

[creatorsgam]

So there's still hope for the ankle? I've pretty much just got to the point where Ive accepted defeat (severe sprain was in december 2013). I do think mobility exercises have helped with improving the dorsiflexion, but like I said, it's not easy breaking down that scar tissue.

I do think I'll check out a chiropractor. I've heard mixed things about them though.

I've found that the best remedy for breaking down scar tissue, or other chronic or acute "trigger points" that repetitive loaded movements from my workouts bring with them, is a lacrosse ball. Work those areas with the ball pinned between yourself and a wall or a floor. It has been great for my mobility, especially hips, back, and shoulders.

You mentioned tennis elbow, allow me to give a personal anecdote. A couple years ago I went to my doctor for exactly the same issue. Naturally, blamed the repetitive style of weight training. Rest, compression, ice, and prescribed NSAIDs did nothing. Having successfully used a lacrosse ball on other areas of my body with success, I began probing the area of my arm from armpit to wrist, focusing on the areas directly above and below my elbow. After a few days, it was noticeable better. Continued with my weight routine, but with regular attention to my arm my "tendinitis" dissipated completely within 2-3 weeks.

Obviously, continue seeking medical attention. Just wanted to throw some anecdotal evidence your way. I'm 33, lift weights for 90 minutes 4 times a week and sprint repetitive sets on a local football field once a week. The best maintenance I can give my body (apart from nutrition and sleep!) is a lacrosse ball. Sounds crazy, but with regular attention it has been amazing for me and keeps me from missing workouts due to soreness or irregular movement patterns.

There is truly something to be said for manipulating soft tissue. And on a side note re: chiropractors, a good one is well worth their weight in gold. Good luck in your recovery!

 

[NineOneSeven]

I've found that the best remedy for breaking down scar tissue, or other chronic or acute "trigger points" that repetitive loaded movements from my workouts bring with them, is a lacrosse ball. Work those areas with the ball pinned between yourself and a wall or a floor. It has been great for my mobility, especially hips, back, and shoulders.

You mentioned tennis elbow, allow me to give a personal anecdote. A couple years ago I went to my doctor for exactly the same issue. Naturally, blamed the repetitive style of weight training. Rest, compression, ice, and prescribed NSAIDs did nothing. Having successfully used a lacrosse ball on other areas of my body with success, I began probing the area of my arm from armpit to wrist, focusing on the areas directly above and below my elbow. After a few days, it was noticeable better. Continued with my weight routine, but with regular attention to my arm my "tendinitis" dissipated completely within 2-3 weeks.

Obviously, continue seeking medical attention. Just wanted to throw some anecdotal evidence your way. I'm 33, lift weights for 90 minutes 4 times a week and sprint repetitive sets on a local football field once a week. The best maintenance I can give my body (apart from nutrition and sleep!) is a lacrosse ball. Sounds crazy, but with regular attention it has been amazing for me and keeps me from missing workouts due to soreness or irregular movement patterns.

There is truly something to be said for manipulating soft tissue. And on a side note re: chiropractors, a good one is well worth their weight in gold. Good luck in your recovery!

Sorry to hijack this thread.

But I second the lacrosse ball. I use it for my lower extremities mainly, but also my back. I've dabbled around my arm but haven't found an optimal spot for it there...you just sort of roll around the area?

 

[creatorsgam]

Sorry to hijack this thread.

But I second the lacrosse ball. I use it for my lower extremities mainly, but also my back. I've dabbled around my arm but haven't found an optimal spot for it there...you just sort of roll around the area?

*apologies for thread hikack*

Yes, just get creative with it. With the arm/armpit, I have to stand as close as possible to a wall with an arm reaching over my head.

For the bicep area, I stand parallel with a wall corner or door frame where my chest is lined up with the wall. Arm extended about shoulder height and flat against the wall.

It took time for me to get comfortable with that area as it seems more sensitive to that type of pressure. I think a lot of my elbow issues were coming from "knots" in my bicep and near the shoulder (basically the armpit area). With bicep insertion points in the scapula and below the elbow, it crosses both elbow and shoulder joints. An issue at one area can certainly impact another, so be diligent in feeling out the entire area.

I'm not a doctor and don't want to dispense faulty advice. Just saying what has worked for me. Many times I have felt injury or structural imbalance. Fortunately the lacrosse ball continues to bail me out. Consistency is key.

 

[manleyzoo]

I've found that the best remedy for breaking down scar tissue, or other chronic or acute "trigger points" that repetitive loaded movements from my workouts bring with them, is a lacrosse ball. Work those areas with the ball pinned between yourself and a wall or a floor. It has been great for my mobility, especially hips, back, and shoulders.

You mentioned tennis elbow, allow me to give a personal anecdote. A couple years ago I went to my doctor for exactly the same issue. Naturally, blamed the repetitive style of weight training. Rest, compression, ice, and prescribed NSAIDs did nothing. Having successfully used a lacrosse ball on other areas of my body with success, I began probing the area of my arm from armpit to wrist, focusing on the areas directly above and below my elbow. After a few days, it was noticeable better. Continued with my weight routine, but with regular attention to my arm my "tendinitis" dissipated completely within 2-3 weeks.

Obviously, continue seeking medical attention. Just wanted to throw some anecdotal evidence your way. I'm 33, lift weights for 90 minutes 4 times a week and sprint repetitive sets on a local football field once a week. The best maintenance I can give my body (apart from nutrition and sleep!) is a lacrosse ball. Sounds crazy, but with regular attention it has been amazing for me and keeps me from missing workouts due to soreness or irregular movement patterns.

There is truly something to be said for manipulating soft tissue. And on a side note re: chiropractors, a good one is well worth their weight in gold. Good luck in your recovery!

You are absolutely right. Ever use the Backnobber or a foam roller? They can work wonders, almost the same as what a skilled chiro can do. I'm 64 and still train 4x a week on a bum shoulder and a bad back but use the same principles as you to stay as pain free as possible. Even at this age and size (5'10, 190 lbs): bench 245, squat 315, dead lift 375 and haven't been hurt other than a few dings in quite a while. Of course, training with pro power lifters helps but soft tissue manipulation is the key.