Coverage Was Disappointing ?

[kcsu]

The university letting JAB talk unscripted for 18 minutes at the height of the Bernie Fine scandal was possibly the dumbest comms and PR move I have ever witnessed

Everything went downhill after the Fines left. SUs power couple.

 

[elimunelson]

Everything went downhill after the Fines left. SUs power couple.

I still don’t know if he was wrongly fired and was a victim of grifters…..has anything ever come out about Bernie? Or the come out part the issue and they fired him wrongfully.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Everything went downhill after the Fines left. SUs power couple.

lol at Bernie. More made up hogwash by you. We had 2 30 win seasons, 2 FF, multiple NBA draft picks, and 4 sweet 16’s after Bernie left.

 

[kcsu]

lol at Bernie. More made up hogwash by you. We had 2 30 win seasons, 2 FF, multiple NBA draft picks, and 4 sweet 16’s after Bernie left.

You obviously haven't read my post about the Fines.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Red is not a very good communicator, that's been known for a while. He's not very engaging and is a tough listen. It's probably why he doesn't like to fundraise and get out there to talk with folks.

Then why is he a head coach?

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Is anyone really surprised, though? Red [and a couple of the ACs] have partial responsibility for the decline over JB's final eight years.

It was wishful thinking to expect an inexperienced, unproven, un-coveted [by other programs], in-house candidate to bring about change.

We made the “continuity hire” and got exactly that. The downward trajectory of the program has continued.

 

[Newhouser]

Look, at some point it needs to be acknowledged that JB was a good coach but not a good guy.

That doesn’ make him unique.

Bob Knight. Jim Calhoun. The list goes on.

Plenty of guys in the same psychological syndrome who arguably did as much harm as they did good.

He also was smart but not as smart as he thought. Sort of the coaching equivalent of Aaron Rogers.

 

[elimunelson]

Then why is he a head coach?

Because we didn’t do a search and the folks in charge made a snap decision.

Just because someone is something doesn’t mean they are equipped. Red is really a disaster.

Not sure why the media isn’t howling. Does Syracuse have a Dan Shaugnessy?

 

[elimunelson]

He also was smart but not as smart as he thought. Sort of the coaching equivalent of Aaron Rogers.

Boeheim was very smart this is stupid. Like epically stupid. Faults sure but the man was light years ahead of most coaches on the EQ of the job and genius level consistency. Discounting the very end which happens to most

 

[SUintheVille]

I'm not arguing that we should be happy, content or any other positive adjective about the season... but comparing the Louisville situation to ours is quite frankly insane. Our worst season in 60 years was still more wins than Kenny Payne had in both years combined at Louisville. They're just not on the same planet of comparison.

Red has over 3x as many wins and almost 4x as many conference wins as Kenny Payne did over their first-two years.

It’s not about how many wins Payne vs Red had. Yes, Kenny had a lot less, but both were still inept. And both are alumni of their schools. And both had no HC experience. And both took no real accountability instead blaming others, not themselves (esp Payne, it was nuts). And both did not appear very passionate about coaching or have the ability to motivate and push their players. There may be other “ands” too. Oh yeah, there are definite similarities without a doubt.

Louisville dumps Kenny after 2 terrible seasons, thank goodness, and brings in a very passionate high character and driven new HC with previous proven experience (Pat Kelsey) and in 1 year, they are ranked, great overall and ACC record, and great new and needed culture. The head coach masters! Maybe SU needs the same? If Red can’t turn it around next year, cya.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Because we didn’t do a search and the folks in charge made a snap decision.

Just because someone is something doesn’t mean they are equipped. Red is really a disaster.

Not sure why the media isn’t howling. Does Syracuse have a Dan Shaugnessy?

Unfortunately it was not snap. I remember being told Red was going to be the next guy about 2 years before it happened. There were always people on the hill who wanted an outside search, but they didn’t win out.

 

[elimunelson]

Unfortunately it was not snap. I remember being told Red was going to be the next guy about 2 years before it happened. There were always people on the hill who wanted an outside search, but they didn’t win out.

That makes it worse. They thought and csme
to this conclusion. Just really incompetence around the program. Or sycophancy and genuflection to unhealthy levels.

 

[gmoney44]

What an original opinion.

You remind me of the parents that think their kid is much better at something than they really are. It’s obvious you can’t separate facts from emotion.

 

[RF2044]

That makes it worse. They thought and csme
to this conclusion. Just really incompetence around the program. Or sycophancy and genuflection to unhealthy levels.

All of the above.

The end of JB's time atop the program was dysfunctional, the ending / transition was predictably ugly, and the way things were handled from there with the AD / BoT was botched. Putting it mildly.

And here we are.

 

[kcsu]

Question. If not for Melos kid coming to SU would Red have been retained?

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Because we didn’t do a search and the folks in charge made a snap decision.

Just because someone is something doesn’t mean they are equipped. Red is really a disaster.

Not sure why the media isn’t howling. Does Syracuse have a Dan Shaugnessy?

I appreciate your response but it was a rhetorical question

It’s really a “skill vs will” issue. Red has the will to be a head coach. He lacks the skill to be a head coach. I also don’t think he has the aptitude to become a successful head coach. A person can develop the skills required for a job if the have the aptitude to learn and develop. I don’t see Red as having a high aptitude.

Seems like we have a bunch of decision makers at Syracuse that want to make coaching decisions based on political reasons, but they are clueless at determining what skills are required to be a successful head coach.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

I hope so too because that would mean he turns us around next year and we're safely in the Tournament and these last four years are a little blip on the illustrious history of Syracuse basketball. But I have a feeling the Red cheerleaders would be happy to be close to the bubble and point to progress and argue we have to keep him as we keep inching closer to the elusive spot off the bubble.

Where are these “Red cheerleaders” you speak of?

 

[Vorony]

Where are these “Red cheerleaders” you speak of?

There’s only like 5 of them left, but they’re here.

 

[NKR1978]

Where are these “Red cheerleaders” you speak of?

There must be some in the administration or BOT for him to be retained for another year, and they're the ones that matter and who will gaslight us about how great the program is.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Question. If not for Melos kid coming to SU would Red have been retained?

Good question, I think so.

 

[Cuseball]

There’s only like 5 of them left, but they’re here.

Yep the number has whittled down but there are still a few. Their support is not as direct since there really is nothing specific to hang your hat on to defend Autry. I love the Cuse and enjoyed watching Autry play but it’s obvious he is not suited for this position

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

I hope so too because that would mean he turns us around next year and we're safely in the Tournament and these last four years are a little blip on the illustrious history of Syracuse basketball. But I have a feeling the Red cheerleaders would be happy to be close to the bubble and point to progress and argue we have to keep him as we keep inching closer to the elusive spot off the bubble.

Exactly. Red was the guy, years before JB was forced out. It was preordained by powers that be in the university, and many of those people provide access and insight to posters on this board and to the media. That's why there hasn't been more howling; the narrative is being veered away from what is obvious even to folks that know nothing about basketball.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Boeheim was very smart this is stupid. Like epically stupid. Faults sure but the man was light years ahead of most coaches on the EQ of the job and genius level consistency. Discounting the very end which happens to most

His last 8 years is a little more than the “very end”. It’s 1/5th of his career. We weren’t nationally relevant since Ennis.

 

[Scooch]

Question. If not for Melos kid coming to SU would Red have been retained?

Yes. This really isn't hard to figure out. JW doesn't think Autry got all the support he needed last offseason. That's why they hired Kline to run scouting. That's why they've (reportedly) beefed up NIL. That's why they've opted in to the House revenue sharing parameters.

Now, we can disagree with JW's assessment. We can lay the blame much more squarely at Red's feet for being utterly unprepared to acquire players via the portal, and for being negligent in carrying out his fundraising duties.

But if Kiyan went to USC Autry would still be getting a 3rd year. It's plain as day.

 

[Sbucketball]

Yes. This really isn't hard to figure out. JW doesn't think Autry got all the support he needed last offseason. That's why they hired Kline to run scouting. That's why they've (reportedly) beefed up NIL. That's why they've opted in to the House revenue sharing parameters.

Now, we can disagree with JW's assessment. We can lay the blame much more squarely at Red's feet for being utterly unprepared to acquire players via the portal, and for being negligent in carrying out his fundraising duties.

But if Kiyan went to USC Autry would still be getting a 3rd year. It's plain as day.

Hopefully the fans don't blame Kiyan when Red is awful next year. Also, I don't think Kiyan will be as good as some expect. On top of that we most likely have a coaching change after next year. And Kiyan may not develop under the staff as much as he and his family want. Really would not like this to go sour, but there's a lot of reasons this could not be a sunshine and rainbow experience for the Anthony family.