Criteria for the next HC

[Consigliere]

Rather that the "I like him; I don't like him" feedback, what are the key criteria Syracuse should be looking for in the next head coach?

For Me:

I. Previous success as a head coach. Young, rising coordinators seem to be the hot commodity but we are in critical condition here. The job responsibilities of a Head Coach are markedly different from those of an assistant. It's more of an executive, managerial position than pure coaching and is frankly a leap that many very talented assistants can never make. Big risk bypassing this one.

II. Strong, diverse network in the coaching community. Assuming the first criteria is met the new coach will need to build a competent staff with a mix of backgrounds. A good executive is always looking to hire his or her replacement and whether they look at Cuse as a stepping stone, or as a last stop in their career, grooming an AHC or coordinator with HC aspirations is critical for continuity.

III. Proven track record recruiting in our core geos - NY, NJ, Pa, Florida. Previous staff was able to establish a pipeline to Illinois but was this at the expense of more traditional areas (NJ?). New staff must have relationships with the high school coaches in our traditional hot beds.

IV. Understanding of the Syracuse environment and culture. Syracuse is not a state school football factory. That brings certain limitations ($$$, eased admission standards) and benefits (ability to cultivate a "family" atmosphere, academic reputation). New coach needs to understand both sides of this coin and mitigate the challenges while leveraging the positives.

V. Dynamic personality. It will be a real challenge rebuilding the fan base, Personally I don't think a couple of 7 / 8 win seasons will do it, New coach should be outgoing in the community, visible, and a salesman for fans and donors. Would love to see the relationship with Fort Drum continued as a part of this. Hopefully Coyle has had enough exposure to continue.

VI. Creative offensive mind. The Dome as the ultimate playground for playmakers on offense is an unrealized dream for the most part. We need a system that consistently attracts top talent at the skill positions to bring excitement to the product. The old adage "Offense sells tickets; Defense wins games" may no longer hold true. If not a quality in the head coach himself, I would feel he should be viewed as a package deal with a bright, young, offensive football mind.

VII. NFL experience. Networking, networking, networking. The NFL is the top of the coaching profession and is the ultimate end game for all of the top coaching talent in the game. Leveraging that network, as well as the cachet of being associated with the pinnacle of the game is an added benefit.

Any others?
How would you rate the rumored candidates based on these criteria?

 

[Millhouse]

Rather that the "I like him; I don't like him" feedback, what are the key criteria Syracuse should be looking for in the next head coach?

For Me:

I. Previous success as a head coach. Young, rising coordinators seem to be the hot commodity but we are in critical condition here. The job responsibilities of a Head Coach are markedly different from those of an assistant. It's more of an executive, managerial position than pure coaching and is frankly a leap that many very talented assistants can never make. Big risk bypassing this one.

II. Strong, diverse network in the coaching community. Assuming the first criteria is met the new coach will need to build a competent staff with a mix of backgrounds. A good executive is always looking to hire his or her replacement and whether they look at Cuse as a stepping stone, or as a last stop in their career, grooming an AHC or coordinator with HC aspirations is critical for continuity.

III. Proven track record recruiting in our core geos - NY, NJ, Pa, Florida. Previous staff was able to establish a pipeline to Illinois but was this at the expense of more traditional areas (NJ?). New staff must have relationships with the high school coaches in our traditional hot beds.

IV. Understanding of the Syracuse environment and culture. Syracuse is not a state school football factory. That brings certain limitations ($$$, eased admission standards) and benefits (ability to cultivate a "family" atmosphere, academic reputation). New coach needs to understand both sides of this coin and mitigate the challenges while leveraging the positives.

V. Dynamic personality. It will be a real challenge rebuilding the fan base, Personally I don't think a couple of 7 / 8 win seasons will do it, New coach should be outgoing in the community, visible, and a salesman for fans and donors. Would love to see the relationship with Fort Drum continued as a part of this. Hopefully Coyle has had enough exposure to continue.

VI. Creative offensive mind. The Dome as the ultimate playground for playmakers on offense is an unrealized dream for the most part. We need a system that consistently attracts top talent at the skill positions to bring excitement to the product. The old adage "Offense sells tickets; Defense wins games" may no longer hold true. If not a quality in the head coach himself, I would feel he should be viewed as a package deal with a bright, young, offensive football mind.

VII. NFL experience. Networking, networking, networking. The NFL is the top of the coaching profession and is the ultimate end game for all of the top coaching talent in the game. Leveraging that network, as well as the cachet of being associated with the pinnacle of the game is an added benefit.

Any others?
How would you rate the rumored candidates based on these criteria?

oh boy no one on earth meets that criteria.

tougher question is which of those criteria do you discard.

1, 3, 7, don't care

 

[Finwad32]

There's one criteria that time and time proves itself. Win.

 

[supp]

Rather that the "I like him; I don't like him" feedback, what are the key criteria Syracuse should be looking for in the next head coach?

For Me:

I. Previous success as a head coach. Young, rising coordinators seem to be the hot commodity but we are in critical condition here. The job responsibilities of a Head Coach are markedly different from those of an assistant. It's more of an executive, managerial position than pure coaching and is frankly a leap that many very talented assistants can never make. Big risk bypassing this one.

II. Strong, diverse network in the coaching community. Assuming the first criteria is met the new coach will need to build a competent staff with a mix of backgrounds. A good executive is always looking to hire his or her replacement and whether they look at Cuse as a stepping stone, or as a last stop in their career, grooming an AHC or coordinator with HC aspirations is critical for continuity.

III. Proven track record recruiting in our core geos - NY, NJ, Pa, Florida. Previous staff was able to establish a pipeline to Illinois but was this at the expense of more traditional areas (NJ?). New staff must have relationships with the high school coaches in our traditional hot beds.

IV. Understanding of the Syracuse environment and culture. Syracuse is not a state school football factory. That brings certain limitations ($$$, eased admission standards) and benefits (ability to cultivate a "family" atmosphere, academic reputation). New coach needs to understand both sides of this coin and mitigate the challenges while leveraging the positives.

V. Dynamic personality. It will be a real challenge rebuilding the fan base, Personally I don't think a couple of 7 / 8 win seasons will do it, New coach should be outgoing in the community, visible, and a salesman for fans and donors. Would love to see the relationship with Fort Drum continued as a part of this. Hopefully Coyle has had enough exposure to continue.

VI. Creative offensive mind. The Dome as the ultimate playground for playmakers on offense is an unrealized dream for the most part. We need a system that consistently attracts top talent at the skill positions to bring excitement to the product. The old adage "Offense sells tickets; Defense wins games" may no longer hold true. If not a quality in the head coach himself, I would feel he should be viewed as a package deal with a bright, young, offensive football mind.

VII. NFL experience. Networking, networking, networking. The NFL is the top of the coaching profession and is the ultimate end game for all of the top coaching talent in the game. Leveraging that network, as well as the cachet of being associated with the pinnacle of the game is an added benefit.

Any others?
How would you rate the rumored candidates based on these criteria?

Just give me a smart guy with some common sense for once. That will take care of the rest.

 

[SmilinBob]

A coach that has a good system and can flat out coach/teach it along with block/tackle/execute and play hard for 60. Can evaluate HS players to fit the system and can game manage for 60 minutes. Also, can figure out a way to deal with the Dome dust bunnies in the beginning of their tenure and still be able to recruit. An offense that can run or pass if ahead or behind.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

My criterion is that they have a proven record of leading an excellent college offense.

 

[Oswego93]

1. Not a DC
2. Not hanging your hat on your stellar success as a recruiter, when you are recruiting for a school that sells itself
3. Not a DC

 

[All4SU]

For me, the success or failure of a new head coach depends three things: ability/smarts, perception, and luck. Every year D1 turns over 15 - 20 head coaches, and each new one is billed to be the answer. Obviously, only a small percentage of them are that.

I want a coach with HC experience. But that is no guarantee of success. Success in one situation in no way correlates to a new situation. Though it does at least mean they guy has dealt with some of the issues involved, and it may impact the perception that the new fans have. Likewise, a OC from a program like Oregon creates a perception among fans and recruits, but means little long term.

IMHO, the most important job of a new HC is to assemble a dynamic staff who can evaluate, recruit, teach, and recruit. Did I mention recruit? I'm not hung up on a HC having northeast ties, but a good portion of his assistants better have had experience in the northeast...Florida, DC and Ohio too. Great staffs make great HCs.

I want a guy I can be proud of representing my alma mater. Not just Ws. Enough said.

I want a guy who has the players' interests first...education, good citizens, good teammates.

I have no problem with a guy who has his sights set on a bigger job. But I want a guy who will get the job done here first. Then a good staff will provide his replacement.

I want an exciting offense. Doesn't matter to me if that is the HC's forte, or if he is smart enough to bring in a guy who can provide that part of the equation.

I want an attacking style of defense. I'll give up some big plays, if it means we get to set the tone of the game, and come out ahead in turnovers.

 

[FAL]

A coach that has a good system and can flat out coach/teach it along with block/tackle/execute and play hard for 60. Can evaluate HS players to fit the system and can game manage for 60 minutes. Also, can figure out a way to deal with the Dome dust bunnies in the beginning of their tenure and still be able to recruit. An offense that can run or pass if ahead or behind.

"Dome dust bunnies"? I love it! :rolling:

Does that make my fat butt a "Dome Swiffer"?

 

[Crusty]

Rather that the "I like him; I don't like him" feedback, what are the key criteria Syracuse should be looking for in the next head coach?

For Me:

I. Previous success as a head coach. Young, rising coordinators seem to be the hot commodity but we are in critical condition here. The job responsibilities of a Head Coach are markedly different from those of an assistant. It's more of an executive, managerial position than pure coaching and is frankly a leap that many very talented assistants can never make. Big risk bypassing this one.

II. Strong, diverse network in the coaching community. Assuming the first criteria is met the new coach will need to build a competent staff with a mix of backgrounds. A good executive is always looking to hire his or her replacement and whether they look at Cuse as a stepping stone, or as a last stop in their career, grooming an AHC or coordinator with HC aspirations is critical for continuity.

III. Proven track record recruiting in our core geos - NY, NJ, Pa, Florida. Previous staff was able to establish a pipeline to Illinois but was this at the expense of more traditional areas (NJ?). New staff must have relationships with the high school coaches in our traditional hot beds.

IV. Understanding of the Syracuse environment and culture. Syracuse is not a state school football factory. That brings certain limitations ($$$, eased admission standards) and benefits (ability to cultivate a "family" atmosphere, academic reputation). New coach needs to understand both sides of this coin and mitigate the challenges while leveraging the positives.

V. Dynamic personality. It will be a real challenge rebuilding the fan base, Personally I don't think a couple of 7 / 8 win seasons will do it, New coach should be outgoing in the community, visible, and a salesman for fans and donors. Would love to see the relationship with Fort Drum continued as a part of this. Hopefully Coyle has had enough exposure to continue.

VI. Creative offensive mind. The Dome as the ultimate playground for playmakers on offense is an unrealized dream for the most part. We need a system that consistently attracts top talent at the skill positions to bring excitement to the product. The old adage "Offense sells tickets; Defense wins games" may no longer hold true. If not a quality in the head coach himself, I would feel he should be viewed as a package deal with a bright, young, offensive football mind.

VII. NFL experience. Networking, networking, networking. The NFL is the top of the coaching profession and is the ultimate end game for all of the top coaching talent in the game. Leveraging that network, as well as the cachet of being associated with the pinnacle of the game is an added benefit.

Any others?
How would you rate the rumored candidates based on these criteria?

I am not sure that guy exists. I would prioritize I, IV and VI.

 

[blizz]

My criteria:

1. Previous d coordinator experience.
2. Entire career at random directional u or preferably the left coast. Will most likely hire his buddies to fill out his staff.
3. Doesn't like recruiting. Thinks recruits are a bunch of spoiled pansies.
4. Doesn't know what the big deal about Jim Brown is. Ernie who?
5. Total jerk. Colossal meathead to boot. Talking points consist of out-toughing opponents, running it down their throats, and letting the paramedics sort 'em out.
6. Thinks the veer offense is cutting edge.
7. Will work on the cheap. Ideally will be sitting on a secret stash of 80's drug money to finance his coaching aspirations.

 

[Consigliere]

Certainly don't think there is a single guy who gets a 10 in every box but there are attributes to each in every category.Let's look at today's hot name - Babers:

I. 4 years at G5 level. Record 36-16 Give him a 9.
II. 12 stops on the Assistant trail in virtually every area in the country working under Art Broyles, Karl Dorrell, Walt Harris, R.C. Slocum, Dick Tomey, among others. 7.5
III. 18 current BGSU players from Florida, 4 from Pa., 10 from Illinois if that still means anything. None from NY or NJ. 6
IV. Coached in smaller markets and private schools. Relationship with Herm Frazier? 6.5
V. Never heard him speak or be interviewed, but his name is Dino! Come on! 7
VI. Done it at E. Illinois, Baylor and BGSU and tweaked system to fit the skills of his personnel at each stop. 9.
VII. None that I'm aware of. 0

Bonus points - at 54 /55 less likely that he would see Syracuse as a stepping stone. If things go well he could be here for a while building stability and grooming his replacement a few years down the road. +5

Total 50/70 - 71%. A solid C and under the circumstances might be the best we could hope for.

 

[Crusty]

Rather that the "I like him; I don't like him" feedback, what are the key criteria Syracuse should be looking for in the next head coach?

For Me:

I. Previous success as a head coach. Young, rising coordinators seem to be the hot commodity but we are in critical condition here. The job responsibilities of a Head Coach are markedly different from those of an assistant. It's more of an executive, managerial position than pure coaching and is frankly a leap that many very talented assistants can never make. Big risk bypassing this one.

II. Strong, diverse network in the coaching community. Assuming the first criteria is met the new coach will need to build a competent staff with a mix of backgrounds. A good executive is always looking to hire his or her replacement and whether they look at Cuse as a stepping stone, or as a last stop in their career, grooming an AHC or coordinator with HC aspirations is critical for continuity.

III. Proven track record recruiting in our core geos - NY, NJ, Pa, Florida. Previous staff was able to establish a pipeline to Illinois but was this at the expense of more traditional areas (NJ?). New staff must have relationships with the high school coaches in our traditional hot beds.

IV. Understanding of the Syracuse environment and culture. Syracuse is not a state school football factory. That brings certain limitations ($$$, eased admission standards) and benefits (ability to cultivate a "family" atmosphere, academic reputation). New coach needs to understand both sides of this coin and mitigate the challenges while leveraging the positives.

V. Dynamic personality. It will be a real challenge rebuilding the fan base, Personally I don't think a couple of 7 / 8 win seasons will do it, New coach should be outgoing in the community, visible, and a salesman for fans and donors. Would love to see the relationship with Fort Drum continued as a part of this. Hopefully Coyle has had enough exposure to continue.

VI. Creative offensive mind. The Dome as the ultimate playground for playmakers on offense is an unrealized dream for the most part. We need a system that consistently attracts top talent at the skill positions to bring excitement to the product. The old adage "Offense sells tickets; Defense wins games" may no longer hold true. If not a quality in the head coach himself, I would feel he should be viewed as a package deal with a bright, young, offensive football mind.

VII. NFL experience. Networking, networking, networking. The NFL is the top of the coaching profession and is the ultimate end game for all of the top coaching talent in the game. Leveraging that network, as well as the cachet of being associated with the pinnacle of the game is an added benefit.

Any others?
How would you rate the rumored candidates based on these criteria?

Babers checks a lot these.
He also recruits FL and PA well.

 

[ClkWrkOrange]

I'll take

I. Previous success as a head coach. Young, rising coordinators seem to be the hot commodity but we are in critical condition here. The job responsibilities of a Head Coach are markedly different from those of an assistant. It's more of an executive, managerial position than pure coaching and is frankly a leap that many very talented assistants can never make. Big risk bypassing this one.

and


VI. Creative offensive mind. The Dome as the ultimate playground for playmakers on offense is an unrealized dream for the most part. We need a system that consistently attracts top talent at the skill positions to bring excitement to the product. The old adage "Offense sells tickets; Defense wins games" may no longer hold true. If not a quality in the head coach himself, I would feel he should be viewed as a package deal with a bright, young, offensive football mind.

Could not care less about

VII. NFL experience. Networking, networking, networking. The NFL is the top of the coaching profession and is the ultimate end game for all of the top coaching talent in the game. Leveraging that network, as well as the cachet of being associated with the pinnacle of the game is an added benefit.

 

[Moontan]

Certainly don't think there is a single guy who gets a 10 in every box but there are attributes to each in every category.Let's look at today's hot name - Babers:

I. 4 years at G5 level. Record 36-16 Give him a 9.
II. 12 stops on the Assistant trail in virtually every area in the country working under Art Broyles, Karl Dorrell, Walt Harris, R.C. Slocum, Dick Tomey, among others. 7.5
III. 18 current BGSU players from Florida, 4 from Pa., 10 from Illinois if that still means anything. None from NY or NJ. 6
IV. Coached in smaller markets and private schools. Relationship with Herm Frazier? 6.5
V. Never heard him speak or be interviewed, but his name is Dino! Come on! 7
VI. Done it at E. Illinois, Baylor and BGSU and tweaked system to fit the skills of his personnel at each stop. 9.
VII. None that I'm aware of. 0

Bonus points - at 54 /55 less likely that he would see Syracuse as a stepping stone. If things go well he could be here for a while building stability and grooming his replacement a few years down the road. +5

Total 50/70 - 71%. A solid C and under the circumstances might be the best we could hope for.

V. You need to see some of his press conferences... 7 is low, he's at least a 9.
He also looks good in Orange... good for another 5 bonus points.

 

[phil77]

His first name must be: Dino
His last name must be: Babers

 

[SUFan44]

Certainly don't think there is a single guy who gets a 10 in every box but there are attributes to each in every category.Let's look at today's hot name - Babers:

I. 4 years at G5 level. Record 36-16 Give him a 9.
II. 12 stops on the Assistant trail in virtually every area in the country working under Art Broyles, Karl Dorrell, Walt Harris, R.C. Slocum, Dick Tomey, among others. 7.5
III. 18 current BGSU players from Florida, 4 from Pa., 10 from Illinois if that still means anything. None from NY or NJ. 6
IV. Coached in smaller markets and private schools. Relationship with Herm Frazier? 6.5
V. Never heard him speak or be interviewed, but his name is Dino! Come on! 7
VI. Done it at E. Illinois, Baylor and BGSU and tweaked system to fit the skills of his personnel at each stop. 9.
VII. None that I'm aware of. 0

Bonus points - at 54 /55 less likely that he would see Syracuse as a stepping stone. If things go well he could be here for a while building stability and grooming his replacement a few years down the road. +5

Total 50/70 - 71%. A solid C and under the circumstances might be the best we could hope for.

I think his candidacy is much better than a C. Especially at Syracuse University.

I think he'd be a B+/A- hire at Syracuse, and quite honestly the only reason he doesn't get an A is because he is a bit older than you might want (which might actually be a positive for SU), and nobody really knows what his staff might look like and if he'd be able to lure a capable D Coordinator at the P5 level.

 

[javadoc]

Babers checks a lot these.
He also recruits FL and PA well.

Don't recall if this has been mentioned recently in all the epic threads, but if we hire Dino he will be the highest profile coach we have ever hired, by far. We have never hired even a D-1AA head coach. Hiring a MAC coach is what I would expect us to do and it is astonishing that we have not.

As bummed as I am about firing Shafer after 3 years, Babers gets an A-OK from me. Ticks my most important criterion, HC experience at least at D-1AA level.

 

[Chip]

His first name must be: Dino
His last name must be: Babers

I tried to google to make sure we don't screw up and hire a different one. I think he's literally the only human with that name.

 

[Crusty]

He is going to be terrific. He has a system he has used successfully for several years. He is also a pretty good judge of talent.

"One of the first things Dino Babers was told upon arriving at Eastern Illinois in December, 2011 was that he needed to find a new quarterback.

The returning starter — junior Jimmy Garappolo, who had led the Panthers to two wins the year before — just didn't cut it, a leading university administrator said to Babers. You should get rid of him and use the other guy, he continued. Just let me see Garappolo throw before he gets kicked off the team, Babers asked.

A few days later, Babers and a collection of university personnel gathered on Eastern Illinois' practice field. After Garappolo made five throws, Babers turned to the administrator: You're right, he said, this kid has no business being here — he should be playing on a bigger stage."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...arappolo-matt-johnson-bowling-green/75927926/

 

[Moontan]

We have never hired even a D-1AA head coach.

I was about to call you out on that claim, but further research showed that at the time that MacPherson was at UMass the Yankee Conference it was indeed DII.

The conference moved to DI-AA when he left after the 1977 season. Close call there Java!

 

[Consigliere]

I think his candidacy is much better than a C. Especially at Syracuse University.

I think he'd be a B+/A- hire at Syracuse, and quite honestly the only reason he doesn't get an A is because he is a bit older than you might want (which might actually be a positive for SU), and nobody really knows what his staff might look like and if he'd be able to lure a capable D Coordinator at the P5 level.

Agree completely. In the context of where Syracuse is as a program and what they have to offer, financially and otherwise, we are apparently not going to be able to attract the "A-listers." A solid C would be a very good hire for us and having watched a couple of his pressers, I'll raise my grade for V. to 9 moving him into B- territory.