Current RPI

[CusefanATL]

According to ESPN we are currently 103 in the RPI - yet 3-0 vs the top 100 (all 3 51-100)

Our SOS is 297 out of like 311

Weber St is 1-2 with a SOS of 65 - and has played 1 top 100 team (also 51-100) and has an RPI of 101
USC is also 4-0 with a SOS of 262 and has yet to play a top 100 team. They have an RPI of 102

I know it is early and whatever - but how is this mathematically possible?

 

[HoustonCuse]

Home vs road vs neutral I'm sure. But who cares about RPI 4 games into the season?

 

[CusefanATL]

S Carolina St who has gotten annihilated numerous times this season has an RPI of 53. So our 51-100 RPI opponents aren't 98, 99, and 100.

But we bead SCarolina St by 320 points. and they are 50 spots ahead of us. Im done.

 

[CusefanATL]

Home vs road vs neutral I'm sure. But who cares about RPI 4 games into the season?

"I know it is early and whatever - but how is this mathematically possible?"

 

[HoustonCuse]

"I know it is early and whatever - but how is this mathematically possible?"

Like I said, it has to be where the games were played and also who those opponents have played. You know the deal with RPI.

 

[Brooky03]

Home vs road vs neutral I'm sure. But who cares about RPI ?

FIFY

 

[690West]

"I know it is early and whatever - but how is this mathematically possible?"

Kenpom has us #8 so I take comfort in that.

 

[jncuse]

Individual Team RPI produces a few strange oddities early on.

Just remember a team's winning% is only 25% of the score. 75% of the elements are the winning% of your opponents and their opponents. It works itself out to a certain degree by end of conference play.

Conference RPI is the more important thing to look at right now and has a larger sample size to take away some of the silliness. Since over half of your games will be against conference foes you can see how important it is that they do well to boost that 75% element.

 

[djorange1989]

Individual Team RPI produces a few strange oddities early on.

Just remember a team's winning% is only 25% of the score. 75% of the elements are the winning% of your opponents and their opponents. It works itself out to a certain degree by end of conference play.

Conference RPI is the more important thing to look at right now and has a larger sample size to take away some of the silliness. Since over half of your games will be against conference foes you can see how important it is that they do well to boost that 75% element.

Indeed and considering how absurdly strong and deep the ACC is, we have nothing to worry about with RPI.

 

[omniorange]

I never worry about RPI at this time, although for the record RealTime RPI has us at 77 and is currently projecting us with an RPI of 19 at the end of the ACC regular season (which is head-scratching considering another factor I will mention in a moment).

Still, in terms of RPI, we will be hurt a little by the fact that we only have one true road game and one neutral site game. But the same was basically true in 2010, 2012, and 2013 as well and we went far in the tourney those years.

Biggest discrepancy so far that I can see is between Pomeroy and RealTime projections of our ACC record (14-4 on Kenpom but a hedge to 12-6 due to the closeness of the ND away game and the Virginia home game) and RealTime with us going 10-8 losing every single road ACC game except for BC, which means the only non-home wins they are projecting for us are the neutral site game against South Carolina and the BC away game.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Math is for nerds.

 

[Halfmooncuse]

Electoral College

 

[orange79]

According to ESPN we are currently 103 in the RPI - yet 3-0 vs the top 100 (all 3 51-100)

Our SOS is 297 out of like 311

Weber St is 1-2 with a SOS of 65 - and has played 1 top 100 team (also 51-100) and has an RPI of 101
USC is also 4-0 with a SOS of 262 and has yet to play a top 100 team. They have an RPI of 102

I know it is early and whatever - but how is this mathematically possible?

RPI 72 and SOS 222 in Jerry Palm's RPI (College Basketball Rankings)

 

[Briancuse]

S Carolina St who has gotten annihilated numerous times this season has an RPI of 53. So our 51-100 RPI opponents aren't 98, 99, and 100.

But we bead SCarolina St by 320 points. and they are 50 spots ahead of us. Im done.

Thats the way the rpi works early in the season, you see some strange teams at the top. Sc st will be in the 200's later in the year.

 

[LPOrange]

they're playing mathketball...

 

[TexanMark]

S Carolina St who has gotten annihilated numerous times this season has an RPI of 53. So our 51-100 RPI opponents aren't 98, 99, and 100.

But we bead SCarolina St by 320 points. and they are 50 spots ahead of us. Im done.

Quit exaggerating we only beat SC St by 279 points.

 

[CaptainJ]

they're playing mathketball...

I'm not sure if you meant this, but the moment I saw your post, I immediately pictured this song with your word inserted instead.

This is the long version with Pearl and Ewing mentioned. If I cared enough about the RPI I could probably write a verse or 2 of parody because of your great title. Is the RPI some secret propietary formula like the FICO(credit) score? I've spent years deciphering that one, and for awhile made a living working with it. Sadly, our society has gotten addicted to numbers.

On a different note, I prefer old school rap like this to the majority of current rap. Not sure if I'm in the minority like usual, but it is what it is. It's funny picturing him rapping verses about the RPI and Boeheim never leaving New York, or how teams we beat have a higher RPI, and somehow explaining it with the calm wisdom he truly seems to exhibit about the game.

 

[longtimefan]

I never worry about RPI at this time, although for the record RealTime RPI has us at 77 and is currently projecting us with an RPI of 19 at the end of the ACC regular season (which is head-scratching considering another factor I will mention in a moment).

Still, in terms of RPI, we will be hurt a little by the fact that we only have one true road game and one neutral site game. But the same was basically true in 2010, 2012, and 2013 as well and we went far in the tourney those years.

Biggest discrepancy so far that I can see is between Pomeroy and RealTime projections of our ACC record (14-4 on Kenpom but a hedge to 12-6 due to the closeness of the ND away game and the Virginia home game) and RealTime with us going 10-8 losing every single road ACC game except for BC, which means the only non-home wins they are projecting for us are the neutral site game against South Carolina and the BC away game.

Cheers,
Neil

What about UConn (neutral)?

 

[Trueblue25]

THEY DIDN'T KNOW

 

[CaptainJ]

I'm not cherry picking these threads...it actually took me how many hours to work my way down to them in order... hard to believe nobody else has beat me to them. Not even sure what to say on this one other than ask if any of you high rollers(the middle men that Bon Scott of AC DC talks about at the beginning of Rock N Roll Aint Noise Pollution) who pay for a Real Time RPI(tm) subscription are willing to update us on which direction we moved after a non cupcake loss? *grin*

I'm not even in "bad guy wrestler" mode like I was before bond with NYCSU this morning in the off topic forum(orange69, am I allowed to mention that forum? Im still trying to learn like I was trying to figure out why I got beaten sometimes as a kid) or like I was after the game until I got most of the venom out, I'm actually sincerely curious as to the actual answer due to all of the discussion of some of the bizarre placements on the list.

 

[jncuse]

I'm not cherry picking these threads...it actually took me how many hours to work my way down to them in order... hard to believe nobody else has beat me to them. Not even sure what to say on this one other than ask if any of you high rollers(the middle men that Bon Scott of AC DC talks about at the beginning of Rock N Roll Aint Noise Pollution) who pay for a Real Time RPI(tm) subscription are willing to update us on which direction we moved after a non cupcake loss? *grin*

I'm not even in "bad guy wrestler" mode like I was before bond with NYCSU this morning in the off topic forum(orange69, am I allowed to mention that forum? Im still trying to learn like I was trying to figure out why I got beaten sometimes as a kid) or like I was after the game until I got most of the venom out, I'm actually sincerely curious as to the actual answer due to all of the discussion of some of the bizarre placements on the list.

You don't have to pay anything... use rpiforecast.com. It has live RPI, and a nice little rpiforecast tool that projects where we are heading for the whole season (based on what we have done to date),

I suspect our RPI probably went up a bit after this loss. I'm not a big defender of the RPI, but I do know it's importance come tourney time especially in assessing top 50 competition. So Conference RPI is really important right now.

EDIT - it's now at 100 and went up a bit. I really don't care about our individual RPI right now - it is very sensitive to things that will go away and even out after 10-15 games. It's a barely passable flawed measurement after 35 games (it's stupid after 5 games on an individual team level)