Curt Cignetti: Why can’t we hire this guy?

[Bayside44]

I said I didn't know 1 coach. Literally. Kayla Treanor. And I never said one thing about her.

To recap - said I didn't hate the Gait hire but preferred a couple of other coaches

Felisha - said she didn’t strike me as someone who was going to build on and improve what Q had accomplished here. (If that's negative boohoo.) I also said I don't follow her and don't care. To add, that meant I don't care that Wildhack hired her and I frankly don't care about women's hoops. When Wildhack hired her I looked her up and shrugged. Status quo.

You do you.

Fair, neutral on Gait and negative? on Red.

I think people need to be honest about who would come here and more importantly who would come here eyes wide open.

A guy like Malzahn who you recommend has a less than zero chance of wanting to come here.

 

[dasher]

Fair, neutral on Gait and negative? on Red.

I think people need to be honest about who would come here and more importantly who would come here eyes wide open.

A guy like Malzahn who you recommend has a less than zero chance of wanting to come here.

Exactly the point. Phat said he didn't have any confidence in the hiring that JW would make. I asked which ones he didn't like because I think with the exception of AA, who hasn't coached a game yet, he has sort of nailed it. We were going to get a better woman's coach than Jack? Or a Lax coach better than Gait? And while he hasn't coached a game yet, AA has got 4 quality transfers and kept the guys he wanted to keep. And our recruiting class has been solid.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Negative on Red lol. He couldn't have had a better offseason. Obviously winning games is tbd.

 

[cusefan88]

I don't like playing this game since I think Dino can/will finish this season strong and stay on.

But if we want to play I've said it other threads but Charles Huff, Tom Herman, and maybe Clay Helton.

 

[OR!ON31]

Not sure if these coaches have already been mentioned:
(a few may be pipe dreams)

Willie Fritz - Tulane
Charles Huff - Marshall
Kalen DeBoer - Washington (tough to match his salary/success?)
Curt Cignetti - JMU
Chris Creighton - Easter Michigan
Ryan Silverfield - Memphis
Mike Houston - ECU
Jon Sumrall - Troy
Matt Campbell - Iowa State (His contract is up this year)
Gus Malzahn, UCF (New contract makes it tough)

 

[TampaLaker]

UDub is rated in the top ten, has a great tradition in FB, is certainly in the top three football programs in the west, is about to move to the big whatever #. Why would Kalen DeBoer take a phone call from SU?

 

[PhatOrange]

Fair, neutral on Gait and negative? on Red.

I think people need to be honest about who would come here and more importantly who would come here eyes wide open.

A guy like Malzahn who you recommend has a less than zero chance of wanting to come here.

Red was one of my all time favorites. Loved him as a player. I HOPE he smashes it out of the park. That said, I think Syracuse is bigger than hiring a guy who's been a lifer assistant and never been a head coach. (and frankly was a Syracuse assistant during the Syracuse decline, that's a fact.)

As I said in the beginning, their success as HC's is TBD. These aren't slams on the coaches - this was a slam on Wildhack not thinking outside the box with his hires.

And bro, again, I literally said Malzahn will never come here and I gave reasons why. His pay at UCF is better than Syracuse AND UCF is going to a P5 conference. It's what started the Wildhack discussion.

Curt Cignetti: Why can’t we hire this guy?

App has been in a relative decline under Shawn Clark. Oh ok didn’t put a lot of time into looking

syracusefan.com

 

[djorange1989]

Not sure if these coaches have already been mentioned:
(a few may be pipe dreams)

Willie Fritz - Tulane
Charles Huff - Marshall
Kalen DeBoer - Washington (tough to match his salary/success?)
Curt Cignetti - JMU
Chris Creighton - Easter Michigan
Ryan Silverfield - Memphis
Mike Houston - ECU
Jon Sumrall - Troy
Matt Campbell - Iowa State (His contract is up this year)
Gus Malzahn, UCF (New contract makes it tough)

DeBoer is beyond a pipe dream, Campbell is highly doubtful. Gus also not happening. The others are feasible.

 

[PhatOrange]

Exactly the point. Phat said he didn't have any confidence in the hiring that JW would make. I asked which ones he didn't like because I think with the exception of AA, who hasn't coached a game yet, he has sort of nailed it. We were going to get a better woman's coach than Jack? Or a Lax coach better than Gait? And while he hasn't coached a game yet, AA has got 4 quality transfers and kept the guys he wanted to keep. And our recruiting class has been solid.

None of us know yet how good Gait is as a men's lax coach. So yes, we could've gotten a couple of guys who have proven to be outstanding head coaches. I'll leave it at that. Gait made a super strong hire with Odierna as DCoordinator. And the staff has been killing it on the recruiting front which is the primary thing Syracuse needed was an upgrade in legit championship weekend talent. I fully expect Syracuse to be a strong tournament team this year but right now Gait's record is 12-17. (and to be clear, I said I didn't hate the Gait hire.)

 

[qdawgg]

Not sure if these coaches have already been mentioned:
(a few may be pipe dreams)

Willie Fritz - Tulane
Charles Huff - Marshall
Kalen DeBoer - Washington (tough to match his salary/success?)
Curt Cignetti - JMU
Chris Creighton - Easter Michigan
Ryan Silverfield - Memphis
Mike Houston - ECU
Jon Sumrall - Troy
Matt Campbell - Iowa State (His contract is up this year)
Gus Malzahn, UCF (New contract makes it tough)

#wecantdoanybetter

 

[dasher]

None of us know yet how good Gait is as a men's lax coach. So yes, we could've gotten a couple of guys who have proven to be outstanding head coaches. I'll leave it at that. Gait made a super strong hire with Odierna as DCoordinator. And the staff has been killing it on the recruiting front which is the primary thing Syracuse needed was an upgrade in legit championship weekend talent. I fully expect Syracuse to be a strong tournament team this year but right now Gait's record is 12-17. (and to be clear, I said I didn't hate the Gait hire.)

No. You said you didn't have confidence in the selections that JW would make or has made. I disagree with you. As for Gait, which of the coaches you wanted would have done better than 12-17 with the talent the team had when they would have taken over? We will never know for sure. But it takes time. When our men's soccer coach took over, he had two straight losing seasons. It takes time to build your program. The woman's hoop team was a disaster when Jack took over. It will take time for Red as well.

 

[orangecuse]

Red was one of my all time favorites. Loved him as a player. I HOPE he smashes it out of the park. That said, I think Syracuse is bigger than hiring a guy who's been a lifer assistant and never been a head coach. (and frankly was a Syracuse assistant during the Syracuse decline, that's a fact.)

As I said in the beginning, their success as HC's is TBD. These aren't slams on the coaches - this was a slam on Wildhack not thinking outside the box with his hires.

And bro, again, I literally said Malzahn will never come here and I gave reasons why. His pay at UCF is better than Syracuse AND UCF is going to a P5 conference. It's what started the Wildhack discussion.

Curt Cignetti: Why can’t we hire this guy?

App has been in a relative decline under Shawn Clark. Oh ok didn’t put a lot of time into looking

syracusefan.com

I share this sentiment on Wildhack. All's we can go on at this point is what he has done at SU to date. Which, IMO, clearly being a path of least resistance type guy.

 

[dasher]

I share this sentiment on Wildhack. All's we can go on at this point is what he has done at SU to date. Which, IMO, clearly being a path of least resistance type guy.

Which coaches hires have you thought were bad hires? I think he wanted people he thought would build a long winning program at Syracuse. People that knew the school. Loved the school. Red is the only one that I questioned but so far, it has been very good. I understand that there is a learning curve for Red. If we stick to the realistic options that we have, we all understand that the next football coach, whenever that happens, will not be Nick S. I think he has been very good so far at his choices.

 

[CousCuse]

#wecantdoanybetter

You got it Q. Honestly, we can't do any worse.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Not sure if these coaches have already been mentioned:
(a few may be pipe dreams)

Willie Fritz - Tulane
Charles Huff - Marshall
Kalen DeBoer - Washington (tough to match his salary/success?)
Curt Cignetti - JMU
Chris Creighton - Easter Michigan
Ryan Silverfield - Memphis
Mike Houston - ECU
Jon Sumrall - Troy
Matt Campbell - Iowa State (His contract is up this year)
Gus Malzahn, UCF (New contract makes it tough)

Most of those we would have no shot at. The others generally speaking are not a good fit. Looking at the current HCs there are not many that would be a fit and want to come here.

I think the most likely current FBS HC would be Chuck Martin, and he isn't worth investing in. So we either need to take a gamble on an FCS HC, get a recently fired FBS HC, go for a 2nd tier P5 OC/DC (top guys aren't coming here), or go for a guy with an NFL background.

As an aside, I don't think we have any shot at him but I do wonder what Jason Garrett would do in college.

We need a guy who will understand our situation. Who can recruit the Northeast from day one. Who can coach up the type of players we can bring in. Who can install discipline and a hard working, never quite attitude. Who can out game plan other coaches. Who can connect with modern players. Who can be the face of the program. Who can roll out a competent O. Who does not have one foot out the door.

I think we have a better chance of running into a unicorn than finding a HC that fits all of that.

 

[Orangefizz]

Here’s my list if Dino fails to win 7 games this year.

Bob Chesney, Holy Cross
Curt Cignetti, JMU
Willie Fritz, Tulane
Charles Huff, Marshall
Jamey Chadwell, Liberty
Manny Diaz, Penn St DC
Dan Mullen, Florida/Miss St (fmr)
Rich Rodriguez, Jacksonville St
Bronco Mendenhall, UVA (fmr)

 

[orangecuse]

Which coaches hires have you thought were bad hires?

Really, that's what you concluded from my statement?

FWIW, I love Gary Gait and was a fan of the hire. I think the jury is still out on whether he was the right choice. Same on Red too.

That being said, it does appear that Wildhack chose the path of least resistance in these instances. Simply my opinion based upon his track record to date at SU.

Edit: you added to your initial post after I responded. In regards to your additions, I agree with most of what you stated there, other than perhaps "he has been very good with his choices." I don't disagree with it, but I think it's still too soon to call on Gait, And, Red of course, has yet to coach even one game as a head coach...so, time will ultimately tell where it matters most; W/L results.

 

[CousCuse]

Here’s my list if Dino fails to win 7 games this year.
Bob Chesney, Holy Cross
Curt Cignetti, JMU
Willie Fritz, Tulane
Charles Huff, Marshall
Jamey Chadwell, Liberty
Manny Diaz, Penn St DC
Dan Mullen, Florida/Miss St (fmr)
Rich Rodriguez, Jacksonville St
Bronco Mendenhall, UVA (fmr)

Manny Diaz gave me a hit, I think you're on to something.

 

[orange79]

You got it Q. Honestly, we can't do any worse.

Hi!

 

[Bulldog04]

There is no one more exciting than Grubb at UW right now. Clearly he knows what’s going on and how to coach the offensive side of the ball. He turned Penix into a Heisman candidate. Turned 2 wide receivers into auto NFL draft picks and they are going to compete for a playoff spot. This is a guy who would look at SU in a second

 

[CousCuse]

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I would hope wild hack is a better judge than doc rock. Actually, I was pondering this idea of Syracuse football fecklessness that many posters here say is inherent in the program. I mean it's really based on 2 coaches, Greg and Dino. Doug had the program moving up until his departure and Scott never had a fair shake. I can say this for Scott, he brought in better talent than Dino and his getting ED was the best thing that has happened to Syracuse football in the last 10 years. And another thing regarding Shaffer, I'm glad he told Dabo to FO. 2 times SU played Clemson and the SU QB was targeted with a dirty and intentional head hunting hit and I believe their coaching staff sanctioned it.

 

[Bayside44]

Red was one of my all time favorites. Loved him as a player. I HOPE he smashes it out of the park. That said, I think Syracuse is bigger than hiring a guy who's been a lifer assistant and never been a head coach. (and frankly was a Syracuse assistant during the Syracuse decline, that's a fact.)

As I said in the beginning, their success as HC's is TBD. These aren't slams on the coaches - this was a slam on Wildhack not thinking outside the box with his hires.

And bro, again, I literally said Malzahn will never come here and I gave reasons why. His pay at UCF is better than Syracuse AND UCF is going to a P5 conference. It's what started the Wildhack discussion.

Curt Cignetti: Why can’t we hire this guy?

App has been in a relative decline under Shawn Clark. Oh ok didn’t put a lot of time into looking

syracusefan.com

I think Red has three years to be up or out, but that's for a different board.

OK, misread you on Guz.

 

[PhatOrange]

Which coaches hires have you thought were bad hires? I think he wanted people he thought would build a long winning program at Syracuse. People that knew the school. Loved the school. Red is the only one that I questioned but so far, it has been very good. I understand that there is a learning curve for Red. If we stick to the realistic options that we have, we all understand that the next football coach, whenever that happens, will not be Nick S. I think he has been very good so far at his choices.

I get what you're saying and I agree with you that he wanted people he thought would build a long winning program at Syracuse. People that knew the school. Loved the school. Those are all great qualities. Totally understand that.

It's boring and it's not what Syracuse needs in hoops or in football to re-energize a base and a program. Red to his credit has re-energized the base a little bit and that's because he made some splash recruiting wins. That's what football needs, a homerun name brand who's gonna come in and land some studs right out of the gate - what Prime did. That will re-energize the base guaranteed.

I just don't have faith that Wildhack is going to do that. He's someone I see as a old way thinking corporate guy. Conservative and safe.

I wouldn't mind if he called Marrone but we're probably looking at guys like John Reagen or Justin Outten (I kid). The fact that there is no true Red means he might be forced to think outside the box. I just hope it's a forward thinking out of the box guy. A guy like Lincoln Riley when he was at ODU or a guy like Prime. People need to dump the old way thinking. Open up the bank and go get someone that's going to get a wow reaction and turn some heads and get the base fired up that you mean business. That's the only way to inject life into recruiting and sell some tickets.

**Edit**
Gonna add - the Holy Cross guy might be an amazing coach. But the base is going to yawn and you're not going to see an uptick in sales. People will sit back and wait. It's the chicken or the egg and you're in the same vicious cycle. The Prime mention was just an example of what a big splash hire can do. It was the same uptick that Nebraska saw with Ruhle.

 

[Bayside44]

Which coaches hires have you thought were bad hires? I think he wanted people he thought would build a long winning program at Syracuse. People that knew the school. Loved the school. Red is the only one that I questioned but so far, it has been very good. I understand that there is a learning curve for Red. If we stick to the realistic options that we have, we all understand that the next football coach, whenever that happens, will not be Nick S. I think he has been very good so far at his choices.

Red had a lot of $upport, I mean there are rea$ons we $uddenly loaded up on top flight tran$fer$.

But sure go out and hire an A-10 guy with JB down the hall.

 

[PhatOrange]

Which coaches hires have you thought were bad hires? I think he wanted people he thought would build a long winning program at Syracuse. People that knew the school. Loved the school. Red is the only one that I questioned but so far, it has been very good. I understand that there is a learning curve for Red. If we stick to the realistic options that we have, we all understand that the next football coach, whenever that happens, will not be Nick S. I think he has been very good so far at his choices.

You keep putting words into people's mouth's. Nobody said they were bad hires.