Cuse Injuries

[Orangejet]

Can't figure out why the Cuse has 3 to 4x's more injuries than their opponents every game. Might it be due to too much contact during week, lack of or what? I realize injuries to Lewis and Wilson are justifiable due to hard hits/bad falls but I have never seen a team so injury prone especially in recent weeks.
Any word on players returning from injury?

 

[retro44]

it's been like this for years...I can remember the game where we crushed Rutgers when Savage was sacked 9 or 10 times and we had ten starters out for the game that started the first game of the year.

I really think our S&C program doesn't stretch enough between weight lifting sessions. The muscles become shorter and compact when not enough stretching is utilized and over stretching can be bad also.

 

[orangeinohio]

it's been like this for years...I can remember the game where we crushed Rutgers when Savage was sacked 9 or 10 times and we had ten starters out for the game that started the first game of the year.

I really think our S&C program doesn't stretch enough between weight lifting sessions. The muscles become shorter and compact when not enough stretching is utilized and over stretching can be bad also.

I don't know why it's happening but I agree that this has been going on for a few years at least.

 

[GoSU96]

it's been like this for years...I can remember the game where we crushed Rutgers when Savage was sacked 9 or 10 times and we had ten starters out for the game that started the first game of the year.

I really think our S&C program doesn't stretch enough between weight lifting sessions. The muscles become shorter and compact when not enough stretching is utilized and over stretching can be bad also.

Maybe it's because we are running shorter, lighter, leaner guys and they are playing naturally bigger, faster, stronger guys.

 

[Orangejet]

Just hope we get back to full strength soon especially w/ AJ behind the wheel.

 

[retro44]

Maybe it's because we are running shorter, lighter, leaner guys and they are playing naturally bigger, faster, stronger guys.

are our guys lighter and leaner?

 

[GoSU96]

are our guys lighter and leaner?

Guys like Whigham and Eskridge are spindly. I doubt they aren't trying to add some bulk. Reddish and Morgan are tiny, and they are fourth year players.

Sometimes you can add more to a frame, no matter what you try. I'm sure Davis has been working as hard as Hodge and Lynch and there is a significant difference.

Every kid we have has some issue that needs to be worked around. Lynch is short and has trouble playing space, but as a downhill LB he is tremendous. Davis gets worked at the point of attack but he's a great blitzer who makes big hits and plays.

The raw material is improving, but sometimes you can only do so much in the weight room and training.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Guys like Whigham and Eskridge are spindly. I doubt they aren't trying to add some bulk. Reddish and Morgan are tiny, and they are fourth year players.

Sometimes you can add more to a frame, no matter what you try. I'm sure Davis has been working as hard as Hodge and Lynch and there is a significant difference.

Every kid we have has some issue that needs to be worked around. Lynch is short and has trouble playing space, but as a downhill LB he is tremendous. Davis gets worked at the point of attack but he's a great blitzer who makes big hits and plays.

The raw material is improving, but sometimes you can only do so much in the weight room and training.

Agreed And it happens, it's part of the game, nobody was complaining when Maryland was decimated with injuries last year when we played them. I suppose that was hicks fault too. We typically get beat up versus FSU because the kids play hard but are consistently matched up with guys bigger, faster and stronger than they are. Hicks is old school but the injuries have nothing to do with the S&C program! IMO. It's a violent game, people get hurt

 

[CuseOnly]

it's been like this for years...I can remember the game where we crushed Rutgers when Savage was sacked 9 or 10 times and we had ten starters out for the game that started the first game of the year.

I really think our S&C program doesn't stretch enough between weight lifting sessions. The muscles become shorter and compact when not enough stretching is utilized and over stretching can be bad also.

Really? For years?!?!?!? Last year we had almost no injuries...How do you explain that?? Same program, same S&C coach...

Pretty much the luck of the draw along with the placement of the bye weeks.

Besides Whigham and Raymon...name some.

 

[ssbriefcase]

Agreed And it happens, it's part of the game, nobody was complaining when Maryland was decimated with injuries last year when we played them. I suppose that was hicks fault too. We typically get beat up versus FSU because the kids play hard but are consistently matched up with guys bigger, faster and stronger than they are. Hicks is old school but the injuries have nothing to do with the S&C program! IMO. It's a violent game, people get hurt

And people have to remember, a lot of these are concussions, which have 0 to do with the S&C program either, it's just football. That said, they've gone very hard almost everyday since spring...

 

[IHeartSUFball]

crume, ashton, bris, moore, morgan, foy are the big tones. I have to think 2 or 3 are back this week.

 

[dasher]

How much do we really follow other teams injuries? I bet others are hurt as much as ours.

 

[CuseOnly]

How much do we really follow other teams injuries? I bet others are hurt as much as ours.

The 2nd week Bye I knew was going to be a huge issue this year. Especially with the level of competition we were facing over the 9 game stretch.

 

[retro44]

And people have to remember, a lot of these are concussions, which have 0 to do with the S&C program either, it's just football. That said, they've gone very hard almost everyday since spring...

do you not know about how teams incorporated into the S&C conditioning program on how building up neck muscles slows down the concussion injuries...read up

 

[RF2044]

The 2nd week Bye I knew was going to be a huge issue this year. Especially with the level of competition we were facing over the 9 game stretch.

Agreed. I don't disagree with some of the intelligent commentary in the posts above, but I think some of this is just bad luck coupled with a disadvantageously placed first bye week.

Would kill for one right about now.

 

[ssbriefcase]

do you not know about how teams incorporated into the S&C conditioning program on how building up neck muscles slows down the concussion injuries...read up

So you're under the impression that working out some neck muscles makes that big a difference in preventing concussions? I would like to see some data on that. I think them wearing those padded shells would do more to protect.

 

[CuseOnly]

So you're under the impression that working out some neck muscles makes that big a difference in preventing concussions? I would like to see some data on that. I think them wearing those padded shells would do more to protect.

90% of concussion injuries are cause from the brain impacting the inside of the skull. Anyone that can slow down the brain in the 1/4 inch inside the skull after a football impact is a genius. Never going to happen though.

You can slow down the accelleration from the helmet to helmet from the outer skull to helmet with technology. But the brain to the inner skull is impossible. Concussions will never go away in collision sports unless the sports are outlawed.

 

[retro44]

And people have to remember, a lot of these are concussions, which have 0 to do with the S&C program either, it's just football. That said, they've gone very hard almost everyday since spring...

then read this......http://athletictrainers.org/2014/06/06/neck-strengthening-device-aims-to-prevent-concussions/

plenty more articles to back this up

 

[retro44]

A pilot study1 suggests that overall neck strength is a statistically significant predictor of concussion, with the odds of concussion falling by 5% for every one pound increase in neck strength

Read more: http://www.momsteam.com/health-safety/neck-strengthening-exercises-reduce-concussion-risk#ixzz3G4mcMcg3

so cuseonly if you think that I think you can prevent 100% of football concussions then you would be dumber than Jameis Winston. Doug Marrone was the one who turned me on to this and he even said these exercises were working up here at S.U. as concussions were not as common as in years past.

I am all about slowing down the rates of injuries and prevention

 

[retro44]

Really? For years?!?!?!? Last year we had almost no injuries...How do you explain that?? Same program, same S&C coach...

Pretty much the luck of the draw along with the placement of the bye weeks.

Besides Whigham and Raymon...name some.

if you think you are so smart then refute this...

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/index.ssf/2013/11/syracuse_football_injury_repor_2.html

there is 11 players out for that game and 1 listed as doubtful

very selective memory I guess

 

[Scooch]

I don't suppose someone who thinks we're more prone to injuries than other programs would care to spend a little time actually putting data against that theory? Otherwise, how do we know? Because it *feels* that way?

 

[retro44]

and from the 2012 season...http://www.collegeinjuryreport.com/college-football/syracuse

 

[Chris02M]

id say part of it is playing Maryland, Nd ,Louisville and FSU back to back to back to back is a major factor

 

[CuseOnly]

if you think you are so smart then refute this...

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/index.ssf/2013/11/syracuse_football_injury_repor_2.html

there is 11 players out for that game and 1 listed as doubtful

very selective memory I guess

Pitt was the 11th game of the season, not the 6th. So 11 players out after the 6th game = 11 players out after the 11th game are the same thing?!?!

AND not to mention, that was after 2 bye weeks.

You should use some judgement before you post. Use your head dude.

 

[GoSU96]

do you not know about how teams incorporated into the S&C conditioning program on how building up neck muscles slows down the concussion injuries...read up

It's part of the program here.