Cuse Injuries

[CuseOnly]

and from the 2012 season...http://www.collegeinjuryreport.com/college-football/syracuse

Are we really talking about Ryan Sloan, Kyle Foster, Myles Davis, Kristofer Curtis, Steve Rene, Kobena and David Stevens IN 2012 AS BEING SIGNIFICANT INJURIES FOR THE 2012 SEASON.

Really...not to mention Thompson was a freshman and was ruled out before the season started with a hip issue.

Again, use your head and read these before you use them as evidence.

 

[ssbriefcase]

Here's a very simple list to just use as a gauge. It's just for this current week. You have to take out suspensions and academics. But even a quick stroll through seems like yes we have literally "a couple" more injuries than the average for this week. Also it seems we don't have near the type of serious injuries as a lot of other teams. Check out Maryland...wow

http://www.donbest.com/ncaaf/injuries/

 

[CuseOnly]

Everyone likes to blame S&C for injuries. Not a valid argument...

Well, if they stretched more and didn't do such heavy weights, etc., etc...

How much lifting can prevent a high ankle sprain, or contribute to one for that matter...

How much lifting can prevent a separated shoulder or contribute to one?

Or a regular ankle sprain, how about fractured fibula, tibia, how about a sprained knee...etc.

Most of thes injuries are ligament and bone injuries that have nothing whatsoever to do with weight training.

Could weight training prevented John Raymon's injury, answer =NO. How much or how little trainging can I do to prevent an injury that has nothing to do with a muscular injury. Would love to hear the answer, I will eb waiting.

Stop blaming S&C for everything.

 

[retro44]

Are we really talking about Ryan Sloan, Kyle Foster, Myles Davis, Kristofer Curtis, David Stevens, Steve Rene, Kobena and David Stevens IN 2012 AS BEING SIGNIFICANT INJURIES FOR THE 2012 SEASON.

Really...not to mention Thompson was a freshman and was ruled out before the season started with a hip issue.

Again, use your head and read these before you use them as evidence.

why can't you seem to comprehend what injuries are.....

One post you are pissing and moaning that it is the 11th game and now you want to use a preseason injury as something that shouldn't count or using players who you think are not of star quality.

WELL...I GOT NEWS FOR YOU,THEY ALL MATTER,THEY ALL MATTER IN PRACTICE

 

[BlackKnight76]

FSU had just as many injuries as we did entering the game. Last year they barely had any, and they likely have the best S&C everything that money can buy. I think luck is honestly one of the biggest factors with injuries.

 

[retro44]

Here's a very simple list to just use as a gauge. It's just for this current week. You have to take out suspensions and academics. But even a quick stroll through seems like yes we have literally "a couple" more injuries than the average for this week. Also it seems we don't have near the type of serious injuries as a lot of other teams. Check out Maryland...wow

http://www.donbest.com/ncaaf/injuries/

That is a pretty good list as I think we are 3rd.or 4th most with injuries,but they also list players who quit and left the team.

 

[CuseOnly]

why can't you seem to comprehend what injuries are...

One post you are pissing and moaning that it is the 11th game and now you want to use a preseason injury as something that shouldn't count or using players who you think are not of star quality.

WELL...I GOT NEWS FOR YOU,THEY ALL MATTER,THEY ALL MATTER IN PRACTICE

Pissing and moaning about the 11th game?!?!??! I wasn't pissing and moaning about the 11th game. You are comparing injuries this year (6 games in) to injuries in 2012 (11 games in) being similar. How can you even compare the 2??

Your argument is comparing the injuries to a team after having played nearly TWICE THE GAMES TO WHAT WE HAVE PLAYED THIS SEASON.

Most of those guys that were injured in 2012 weren't even contrubutors to start the season and you are portraying them as major losses. The guys we are missing THIS YEAR ARE MAJOR LOSSES. Most of those guys never saw the field and were never going to be considered as contributors.

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT PRACTICE (Allen Iverson). Practice never scored a touchdown or a sack in a game. May have helped but never did.

The 2 years are not even comparable.

I wonder why they don't list the guys every week that are out for practice.

 

[ssbriefcase]

That is a pretty good list as I think we are 3rd.or 4th most with injuries,but they also list players who quit and left the team.

Yeah, but I'd rather have half that list questionable to play the next game vs. 4-6 "out for seasons"
I just can't blame randomness on the S&C program, and that's what a lot of injuries are..

 

[retro44]

injuries are injuries and they all didn't happen after the tenth game either

 

[CuseOnly]

FSU had just as many injuries as we did entering the game. Last year they barely had any, and they likely have the best S&C everything that money can buy. I think luck is honestly one of the biggest factors with injuries.

Tell that to Retro44.

 

[kcsu]

Agreed And it happens, it's part of the game, nobody was complaining when Maryland was decimated with injuries last year when we played them. I suppose that was hicks fault too. We typically get beat up versus FSU because the kids play hard but are consistently matched up with guys bigger, faster and stronger than they are. Hicks is old school but the injuries have nothing to do with the S&C program! IMO. It's a violent game, people get hurt

Not sure if i agree about our S&C program.

 

[Scooch]

If only Victor Cruz and Jerrod Mayo has better S&C.

Dear Lord.

 

[retro44]

Tell that to Retro44.

they had 7 we had 12 out...that is better than 50% more.

as they also listed academic and a team suspension and now Jamies is listed as a probable do to problems

 

[retro44]

If only Victor Cruz and Jerrod Mayo has better S&C.

Dear Lord.

dear lord...the giants only had two players listed out before the game. Big difference

 

[cuseguy]

are our guys lighter and leaner?

Clemson's best DE is 6-3, 225 pounds, and he's one of the best in the country.

We have guys of all sizes coming up with injuries.

I tend to think some it is just bad luck and some of it is a case of guys being injury prone.

We all know about Fleming. He's been able to stay injury free this year.

Estime can't seem to shake the high ankle sprain.

 

[kcsu]

What i meant about our S&C program had nothing to do with Hicks but rather the fact that we have changed what we want our athletes to be. We have gone from a pro set power run team to a spread O. These require a different skill and strength focus and i wonder if the change in what we are asking our players to be/do could have attributed to the increase in injuries this day. I was not putting down Hicks and crew.

 

[retro44]

Some here seem to think there is no correlation between a good S&C program and injuries. No program can stop all injuries, but there are ways to control and manage them better than what is going on here.

Why even have a program if it doesn't matter and only recruit kids who have Greek Gods in their genes then. I guess trying to get kids to bench press 500+ lbs. doesn't produce wear and tear on the shoulder joints and is not a cause for upper body injuries or doesn't lead to torn pectoral muscles either. Maybe some here should suggest to the NFL to eliminate the 225lb. test for strength and instead implement a max bench test for all draft picks.

Just maybe then Syracuse players will score higher.As for the 5'9" 200lb running back from Delaware last year who did 34 reps would then just become a footnote in the outstanding category as our running back did an amazing 14 reps.

and it looks like we are adding Lewis, Wilson, Miller and possibly Kimble to the list. Kids are very fragile up here in Syracuse

 

[IthacaBarrel]

So a high ankle Sprain and Lewis landing dead nuts in his shoulder/ collar bone while going up for a ball is a result of a poor strength and conditioning program? This is nuts

 

[CuseOnly]

they had 7 we had 12 out...that is better than 50% more.

as they also listed academic and a team suspension and now Jamies is listed as a probable do to problems

If you can't figure out that it is reasonable to conclude that there might/will be more injuries after 6 more weeks of play (6th game compared to 11th game) than we have had up to this point. Then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[CuseOnly]

Some here seem to think there is no correlation between a good S&C program and injuries. No program can stop all injuries, but there are ways to control and manage them better than what is going on here.

Why even have a program if it doesn't matter and only recruit kids who have Greek Gods in their genes then. I guess trying to get kids to bench press 500+ lbs. doesn't produce wear and tear on the shoulder joints and is not a cause for upper body injuries or doesn't lead to torn pectoral muscles either. Maybe some here should suggest to the NFL to eliminate the 225lb. test for strength and instead implement a max bench test for all draft picks.

Just maybe then Syracuse players will score higher.As for the 5'9" 200lb running back from Delaware last year who did 34 reps would then just become a footnote in the outstanding category as our running back did an amazing 14 reps.

and it looks like we are adding Lewis, Wilson, Miller and possibly Kimble to the list. Kids are very fragile up here in Syracuse

SO, too use your argument. Below is the injury list for this year for every D1 team. What is an acceptable level of injury for a team at this point and at what point (how many injuries after the 7th week?) do we blame this on the S&C program?

http://www.donbest.com/ncaaf/injuries/

Based on your argument and using the number 9 injuries, the below Programs have SH**TY Strength and Conditioning programs and or their players are fragile. Maybe they max bench too much, maybe they max bench too little.

Awful lot of ineptitude from some really high profile S&C programs below according to you, maybe they should all be fired and or their principles changed to prevent injury. Somebody at these schools isn't doing their job correctly...all 22 of them. That's 1 in 6 D1 programs have bad S&C programs when related to injury, maybe you just know more about injury than they do.

Arizona 10
Boise State 13
BYU 9
Clemson 9
Colorado 9
Duke 11
Florida Gators 13
Florida State 11
Georgia 12
Georgia State 17
Iowa State 9
Maryland 15
Minnesota 10
Navy 9
NC State 11
Nebraska 12
Ohio U 12
Ohio State 9
Texas 12
USC 10
Va Tech 16
Wake Forest 9

 

[Scooch]

SO, too use your argument. Below is the injury list for this year for every D1 team. What is an acceptable level of injury for a team at this point and at what point (how many injuries after the 7th week?) do we blame this on the S&C program? http://www.donbest.com/ncaaf/injuries/ Based on your argument and using the number 9 injuries, the below Programs have SH**TY Strength and Conditioning programs and or their players are fragile. Maybe they max bench too much, maybe they max bench too little. Awful lot of ineptitude from some really high profile S&C programs below according to you, maybe they should all be fired and or their principles changed to prevent injury. Somebody at these schools isn't doing their job correctly...all 22 of them. That's 1 in 6 D1 programs have bad S&C programs when related to injury, maybe you just know more about injury than they do. Arizona 10 Boise State 13 BYU 9 Clemson 9 Colorado 9 Duke 11 Florida Gators 13 Florida State 11 Georgia 12 Georgia State 17 Iowa State 9 Maryland 15 Minnesota 10 Navy 9 NC State 11 Nebraska 12 Ohio U 12 Ohio State 9 Texas 12 USC 10 Va Tech 16 Wake Forest 9

Bless you for posting data.

Our injuries are not unprecedented or unusually high, apparently.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

SO, too use your argument. Below is the injury list for this year for every D1 team. What is an acceptable level of injury for a team at this point and at what point (how many injuries after the 7th week?) do we blame this on the S&C program?

http://www.donbest.com/ncaaf/injuries/

Based on your argument and using the number 9 injuries, the below Programs have SH**TY Strength and Conditioning programs and or their players are fragile. Maybe they max bench too much, maybe they max bench too little.

Awful lot of ineptitude from some really high profile S&C programs below according to you, maybe they should all be fired and or their principles changed to prevent injury. Somebody at these schools isn't doing their job correctly...all 22 of them. That's 1 in 6 D1 programs have bad S&C programs when related to injury, maybe you just know more about injury than they do.

Arizona 10
Boise State 13
BYU 9
Clemson 9
Colorado 9
Duke 11
Florida Gators 13
Florida State 11
Georgia 12
Georgia State 17
Iowa State 9
Maryland 15
Minnesota 10
Navy 9
NC State 11
Nebraska 12
Ohio U 12
Ohio State 9
Texas 12
USC 10
Va Tech 16
Wake Forest 9

Yes, Texas and the Ohio St S&C guys are regarded two of the best in business as well. Fire them!!! Clearly Strong and Meyer don't know what they are doing. This is absurd.

 

[retro44]

Bless you for posting data.

Our injuries are not unprecedented or unusually high, apparently.

he is also including players list out for suspensions,academics,disciplinary,like Winston.

N.C. State has 7 players listed as suspension alone. Texas has 5 that is listed as suspension, left the team.

Wake Forrest has 5 out of 9 listed as suspension,quits

Maryland has 4 suspensions

I never even counted the undisclosed in the suspension category,but a lot of times that indicates a failed drug test. There was a lot of undisclosed players on the lists.

He's just betting on that you guys would never parse the information to verify the actual reasons.

Va. tech/Georgia St. is legit though.

Syracuse hasn't updated it's list as Wilson,lewis,Miller and possibly Kimble which would put us at 16 with 1 being thrown off Howard and they did miss listing Cooper

Who remembers the days when GROB went to thudding drills as the injuries were piling up and the posters would complain we could no longer tackle and play tough?


all but a couple teams he listed has multiple suspensions and quits listed

 

[Orangejet]

Think some of our missed tackles, especially by the DB's, are a result of them not wanting to get injured.

I love DB's who pummel runners or receivers...

 

[retro44]

so we are up to 15 injured now