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D1 Sports Business - Kentucky to Shift Athletic Department to an LLC

Oakland said:
Another step forward, I think the last step will be that players no longer have to be students; that's coming quicker than I thought.
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Then owership groups buying NFL teams and NBA teams and then buying program LLCs as farm programs...

Imagine the "Cowboy Maverrics LLC" combining ownership of the Cowboys and Maverics then buying Syracuse Citrus LLC, Hoya LLC, and Happy Valley LLC as farm organizations...

Kill me now.

P.S. Scarlet Knights LLC to be bought by a CFL team.
 
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Oakland said:
Another step forward, I think the last step will be that players no longer have to be students; that's coming quicker than I thought.
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And that's where we will see just how hypocritical the schools are who have always boosted their arguments with the value of a free education.
 
Newhouser said:
And that's where we will see just how hypocritical the schools are who have always boosted their arguments with the value of a free education.
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I dunno... If the schools are losing the athletics revenue, why would they continue to offer schollies?? Unless it's simply a loss-leader and considered a cost of doing business?? (and obviously if everyone else is still doing it.)

Maybe more likely it will be optional. Come here and play... Go to school also if you want... The Saltine Warchest LLC has a big bag for you and you can have a free scholly from the university, if you want it, but you don't have to go to school if you don't want to (here's looking at you Q. Copeland ;-)
 
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kingtidge said:
I dunno... If the schools are losing the athletics revenue, why would they continue to offer schollies?? Unless it's simply a loss-leader and considered a cost of doing business?? (and obviously if everyone else is still doing it.)

Maybe more likely it will be optional. Come here and play... Go to school also if you want... free scholly if you want but don't have to go to school if you don't want to.
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I could see the scholarships going away, and so too the non-revenue sports (and Title IX?). On the other hand, without the cost of scholarships or maybe even facilities (maintenance AND upgrades) perhaps tuition will come down? On the other hand, I can also see the AD operating independent, but the athletes still being students. The AD is an administrative and revenue earning umbrella and the teams, athletes, and regulatory compliance are still under the purview of the academic university. Simple example is the Dome. That is independent of the school and the AD. SU pays rent to use it. It earns revenue separate of the school or the AD. You could imagine the AD structured in a similar way.
 
NJCuse97 said:
I could see the scholarships going away, and so too the non-revenue sports (and Title IX?). On the other hand, without the cost of scholarships or maybe even facilities (maintenance AND upgrades) perhaps tuition will come down? On the other hand, I can also see the AD operating independent, but the athletes still being students. The AD is an administrative and revenue earning umbrella and the teams, athletes, and regulatory compliance are still under the purview of the academic university. Simple example is the Dome. That is independent of the school and the AD. SU pays rent to use it. It earns revenue separate of the school or the AD. You could imagine the AD structured in a similar way.
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I would guess the Olympic sports (non-revenue generating) would remain with the school and AD offices and the revenue-generators go to LLC (in our case Men's Football, Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball, Men's LAX)... but who knows.

Also, stadiums and program-specific facilities, who knows??... this will be like another wild wild west gold rush.
 
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kingtidge said:
I would guess the Olympic sports (non-revenue generating) would remain with the school and AD offices and the revenue-generators go to LLC (in our case Men's Football, Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball, Men's LAX)... but who knows.

Also, stadiums and program-specific facilities, who knows??... this will be like another wild wild west gold rush.
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No to mess with you directly, just using your post to get this in:

If any player does not choose to attend school, there should be no scholarship. As the football and men's basketball teams are generally the only positive cash flow teams (we can ignore outliers for the simplification of the discussion), if these teams are no longer counted for scholarships, the women's side could potentially lose 115-120 scholarships, the men's side could be required to increase non-revenue teams, or a mix of both. Things will get ugly.

Title IX requires a balance between the male and female scholarships. Does it go the way of the dodo? Does it get enforced? How will it be enforced?

How does Title IX affect the decisions? How do the conferences deem which teams are counted for minimums? How does the NCAA deem which teams are counted for minimums? If no football and no hoops players are on scholarship, why should the team count for minimums? What happens with teams whose stars don't attend classes but the bulk of the team is on scholarship?

This is a world class can of worms.
 
kingtidge said:
I dunno... If the schools are losing the athletics revenue, why would they continue to offer schollies?? Unless it's simply a loss-leader and considered a cost of doing business?? (and obviously if everyone else is still doing it.)

Maybe more likely it will be optional. Come here and play... Go to school also if you want... The Saltine Warchest LLC has a big bag for you and you can have a free scholly from the university, if you want it, but you don't have to go to school if you don't want to (here's looking at you Q. Copeland ;-)
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The schools will get their cut of the revenue.
 
Scooch said:
All headed to the model where a university is essentially licensing their name to a private entity that runs a sporting club.

Basically, the Wildcats at the University of Kentucky instead of the Wildcats of the University of Kentucky.
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This is the eventual end game so the bluebloods can leave the NCAA and get rid of the class attendance requirement.
 
HtownOrange said:
Scholarships will need to be paid back to the universities. For at least the revenue sports, the IRS may decide that scholarships are taxable, too.

The legal issues are going to make some lawyers wealthy.
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Many (most all?) states have laws that prohibit state tax money, including school-sourced financial aid, going to athletics. That doesn't apply to the "everybody graduating with an "A" average get $X from the state"-type scholarships.
 
NJCuse97 said:
I could see the scholarships going away, and so too the non-revenue sports (and Title IX?). On the other hand, without the cost of scholarships or maybe even facilities (maintenance AND upgrades) perhaps tuition will come down? On the other hand, I can also see the AD operating independent, but the athletes still being students. The AD is an administrative and revenue earning umbrella and the teams, athletes, and regulatory compliance are still under the purview of the academic university. Simple example is the Dome. That is independent of the school and the AD. SU pays rent to use it. It earns revenue separate of the school or the AD. You could imagine the AD structured in a similar way.
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The biggest problem with that is that non-rev athletes give way more money to both sides of the house than rev athletes do. They are also way more involved with the daily affairs (for lack of a better term) of the schools. The hard truth is that most rev athletes look at themselves and act like mercenaries.
 
kingtidge said:
I would guess the Olympic sports (non-revenue generating) would remain with the school and AD offices and the revenue-generators go to LLC (in our case Men's Football, Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball, Men's LAX)... but who knows.

Also, stadiums and program-specific facilities, who knows??... this will be like another wild wild west gold rush.
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Men's lax is only a rev sport at SU and remotely possibly Johns Hopkins. I've always thought baseball/softball would also be a part of the breakaway from the NCAA by the bluebloods because the SEC is driving the bus and they are their strongest sports.
 
Hoo's That said:
Men's lax is only a rev sport at SU and remotely possibly Johns Hopkins. I've always thought baseball/softball would also be a part of the breakaway from the NCAA by the bluebloods because the SEC is driving the bus and they are their strongest sports.
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Yeah, I included LAX as both the ACC and B1G are betting on LAX being modestly revenue-driving in the not-to-distant future...
 
Oakland said:
Another step forward, I think the last step will be that players no longer have to be students; that's coming quicker than I thought.
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Or step foot on campus, except for games. I mean how good could Kentucky be if the players didn't actually have to spend time in Kentucky???
 
If teams are too far removed from the schools people will lose interest.
How many people care about the g league or the various pro football leagues that pop up every now and then.
I care about SU sports because I along with several family members are alumni and I lived in Syracuse. I couldn't even tell you the names of any minor league baseball or hockey teams that may still be in Syracuse.
 
Hoo's That said:
This is the eventual end game so the bluebloods can leave the NCAA and get rid of the class attendance requirement.
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When was the last time you heard of a player being ineligible due to academic reasons?
 
dan7800 said:
When was the last time you heard of a player being ineligible due to academic reasons?
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There probably have been but they're swept under the rug using the Buckley Amendment privacy rules as cover. It's a charade that everyone except the higher ups in the school's administration and the NCAA wouldn't mind ending if it weren't for the bad P.R.
 
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