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PSU would want Ohio State over Michigan State. Whether they would get what they want is entirely a different story. Still a red-headed step child after all these years. Loved it when back in 2011 or 2012, Big Ten officials were actually questioning what value the Nits brought to the league.
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Big Ten 3+5+5 IMO
Ohio State-Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State
Michigan- Ohio State, Michigan State, Northwestern
Penn State- Ohio State, Maryland, Rutgers
Michigan State- Michigan, Ohio State, Indiana
Indiana- Purdue, Michigan State, Rutgers
Rutgers- Maryland, Penn State, Indiana
Maryland- Penn State, Rutgers, Northwestern
Wisconsin- Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska
Iowa- Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska
Northwestern- Illinois, Michigan, Maryland
Minnesota- Iowa, Wisconsin, Ilinois
Purdue-Indiana, Illinois, Nebraska
Nebraska- Wisconsin, Iowa, Purdue
Illinois- Northwestern, Purdue, Minnesota
Ohio State-Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State
Michigan- Ohio State, Michigan State, Northwestern
Penn State- Ohio State, Maryland, Rutgers
Michigan State- Michigan, Ohio State, Indiana
Indiana- Purdue, Michigan State, Rutgers
Rutgers- Maryland, Penn State, Indiana
Maryland- Penn State, Rutgers, Northwestern
Wisconsin- Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska
Iowa- Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska
Northwestern- Illinois, Michigan, Maryland
Minnesota- Iowa, Wisconsin, Ilinois
Purdue-Indiana, Illinois, Nebraska
Nebraska- Wisconsin, Iowa, Purdue
Illinois- Northwestern, Purdue, Minnesota
The worst thing about the ACC's current divisional alignment is that it makes it as if we're not in the same conference as nearly half the league. It is preposterous that we only play UVA, VaTech, Duke, UNC, GaTech and Miami once every six years.
There is literally not another sport I follow where my favorite team goes that long between playing every other team in the league. I mean I get to see my Patriots play the Arizona Cardinals more often than I get to see SU play Virginia. It's insane.
It's also terrible for TV.
The ACC has to find a way to end this silliness pronto.
There is literally not another sport I follow where my favorite team goes that long between playing every other team in the league. I mean I get to see my Patriots play the Arizona Cardinals more often than I get to see SU play Virginia. It's insane.
It's also terrible for TV.
The ACC has to find a way to end this silliness pronto.
And that is the main reason that Delaney and the Big Ten led the fight to keep the NCAA rule from changing. They are so terrified of ND as a full member of ACC football that they acted not thinking about how the rule change could benefit the BT but thinking about how to keep from helping the ACC arrange its play in a way that might make it easier for ND to take the plunge with a full league schedule in football.
To remind, or explain, I'll use UNC as an example.
In a 14 team league, each member has 13 league foes. Each team can have 3 annual rivals with no overlap - everybody has 3 - no more and no less. That leaves 10 league foes, which are divided into 2 groups of 5. Your team's league of 8 games is the 3 annual rivals plus one of your team's group of 5.
For UNC, annual rivals would be UVA (South's Oldest Rivalry), Dook (Victory Bell), and MooU (NCSU). I'd prefer to drop that latter one, but there is no way it could be done. For convenience sake, we can have UNC's Group A foes be old Coastal rivals Pitt, VT, GT, and Miami plus Louisville, leaving our Group B foes as BC, Cuse, Wake, Clemson, and FSU.
You can play it over 4 years either as A, A, B, B, or A, B, A, B. Either way, all of us play every other league foe at least twice every 4 year cycle.
In a 14 team league, each member has 13 league foes. Each team can have 3 annual rivals with no overlap - everybody has 3 - no more and no less. That leaves 10 league foes, which are divided into 2 groups of 5. Your team's league of 8 games is the 3 annual rivals plus one of your team's group of 5.
For UNC, annual rivals would be UVA (South's Oldest Rivalry), Dook (Victory Bell), and MooU (NCSU). I'd prefer to drop that latter one, but there is no way it could be done. For convenience sake, we can have UNC's Group A foes be old Coastal rivals Pitt, VT, GT, and Miami plus Louisville, leaving our Group B foes as BC, Cuse, Wake, Clemson, and FSU.
You can play it over 4 years either as A, A, B, B, or A, B, A, B. Either way, all of us play every other league foe at least twice every 4 year cycle.
If ND lost 1 game they wouldn't have been in the Final 4. Georgia and Ohio State would have been ahead of them so maybe they notice this and act accordingly? Being undefeated is the Teflon Don for them but 1 loss puts them in the pile with the rest and 2 losses kicks them out for good. ACC, they have a shot with 2 losses.
Yep.
The Big Ten spent decades trying to screw over ND so that BT football would gain while ND football would level off and then drop. And then as the last century closed, the BT then wanted ND in the BT.
It was the BT acting as Corleone godfather: keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
The BT is terrified of ND as fulll member of ACC football, and the BT is again desperate because of missing the playoffs yet again.
The Big Ten spent decades trying to screw over ND so that BT football would gain while ND football would level off and then drop. And then as the last century closed, the BT then wanted ND in the BT.
It was the BT acting as Corleone godfather: keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
The BT is terrified of ND as fulll member of ACC football, and the BT is again desperate because of missing the playoffs yet again.
Yes, ND does not have the clout with audiences it used to have, but that means what to you?
ND outside the BT is a major threat to the BT. Recent events should mark how and why. No matter how gigantic BT schools are, no matter that they get a totally crooked (as in he cares not a bit how many violent criminals play for him) HC like Meyer who wins the NC, outside the midwest most CFB fans care very little about the BT. The ones like me who hate the BT, do not have it in the way that makes us watch the hated thing. Many who do not hate the BT are simply bored by it.
The BT fears Southern football, and the midwestern located power ND in the Southern based ACC is a deep fear because the threat is so great.
There are only 2 leagues that have been in the playoffs every year. The SEC and the Southern founded and Southern based ACC. You get ND, with its unique national fan base and national recruiting power, to move from 5 ACC games per year to the full slate, meaning ND is part of the race for a berth in the ACC Championship, and ACC football TV numbers will go up even more, as will the ability of ACC teams to recruit nationally, but especially in the midwest: where ND is located near Chicago, and where the BT MUST totally dominate recruiting and TV audience.
ND outside the BT is a major threat to the BT. Recent events should mark how and why. No matter how gigantic BT schools are, no matter that they get a totally crooked (as in he cares not a bit how many violent criminals play for him) HC like Meyer who wins the NC, outside the midwest most CFB fans care very little about the BT. The ones like me who hate the BT, do not have it in the way that makes us watch the hated thing. Many who do not hate the BT are simply bored by it.
The BT fears Southern football, and the midwestern located power ND in the Southern based ACC is a deep fear because the threat is so great.
There are only 2 leagues that have been in the playoffs every year. The SEC and the Southern founded and Southern based ACC. You get ND, with its unique national fan base and national recruiting power, to move from 5 ACC games per year to the full slate, meaning ND is part of the race for a berth in the ACC Championship, and ACC football TV numbers will go up even more, as will the ability of ACC teams to recruit nationally, but especially in the midwest: where ND is located near Chicago, and where the BT MUST totally dominate recruiting and TV audience.
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I can't speak to whatever was discussed prior to SU and Pitt joining the ACC but I do remember you bringing this up when Swofford was attempting to get the rule changed. I believe in that thread you linked a Southern Pigskin article on the topic that you may have written.
You sold me on that concept then and I haven't changed my mind since. Only main difference I can recall back then was you wanting a 9 game conference schedule while Scooch and I thought that was unrealistic with the ND arrangement and the annual SEC/ACC rivalry games. I assume you have come around on that issue?
Anyway props for spreading the concept throughout ACC fandom.
Cheers,
Neil
You sold me on that concept then and I haven't changed my mind since. Only main difference I can recall back then was you wanting a 9 game conference schedule while Scooch and I thought that was unrealistic with the ND arrangement and the annual SEC/ACC rivalry games. I assume you have come around on that issue?
Anyway props for spreading the concept throughout ACC fandom.
Cheers,
Neil
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