Devito INT stat

[OrangeDW]

Do we not remember someone coming on here proclaiming how great TD is and why he wasn't given a "fair" shot at beating out Dungey threatened to transfer and this isn't what "they" signed up for?

That was probably the worst post on here of all time.

 

[Scooch]

yeah, he’s literally having a top 3 season in the past 20 years statistically (for us) and it’s been largely mediocre to bad “looking”

if this season is proof of anything, it’s our ability to foist too much onto the position while shortchanging the the OL and blitz pickup

this season should be encouraging at that position, considering the issues elsewhere

Not quite top 3, more like top 5, and that's largely because SU's passing offense has mostly been incomprehensibly dreadful for the past 20 years.

I ran a quick ranker based on team passing yards per game, since 2000. This season SU is 62nd in the country, season-to-date, which is our fifth best over the past 20 years. 2017 (#18), 2012 (#29), 2018 (#31), and 2007 (#55) were better.
Meanwhile, we were ranked 90th or worse TWELVE times over the past 20 years.

I know, YPG isn't the be-all end-all of stats to use. But it's a directionally handy way to illustrate how atrocious the SU passing offense has been. So it's both possible for TD to have had a statistically good season, by SU standards, and still have it be not good enough,

 

[Townie72]

when presented with facts, you said “I don’t see it” and didn’t present any of your own

What facts?

If the “facts” you are looking at suggest that he’s been average, good or very good, then you need to stop depending on those facts.

Now I Don know what your education level is, but statistics aren’t really facts. They are frequently illusory as in the mean average of a skewed population.

Here’s my summary fact. With the game on the line, he was benched.

 

[Cusefan0307]

It’s certainly not “unprecedented”. SU threw a LOT of young QBs to the wolves, post McNabb. All of them faced tremendous scrutiny.

Orangehomer is very protective of higher recruited players. He automatically thinks they are better based on star rankings. That's his MO.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

statistics aren’t really facts.

This statement has some fascinating philosophical consequences.

 

[FloridaFan]

One. UNC. Which was awesome.
FSU he played solid, but our defense/their horrible offense were by far the biggest factors in that one.

Cmon man. The points to beat them had to come from somewhere. I still have the score on my fridge, 30-7. Defense helped but so did tommy so they both earn the win

 

[Crusty]

How good is Tommy Devito anyway? How much better is he going to get? How much of these offensive debacles are his fault?

These are questions that I have asked myself as I have watched each game.

Many of us, I think, were heavily influenced by his stunning success last year spelling Dungey in games. And there have been times this year when I thought the kid was going to emerge.

In order to figure out just how good he was and would be, I started to compare him to the opposing QB in each game. What better place to compare? Same field, same conditions, etc.

In the Pitt game, it seemed to me that their QB, Pickett, was actually quite a bit better than TD. He made better decisions and threw the ball at least as well. And Pickett isn't all that good.

The ball people are accusing Benson of dropping yesterday was thrown significantly behind him.

It’s too bad for SU because there doesn’t appear to be a Plan B as Welch is unlikely to be any kind of answer.

My wild axed guess is that DB pulled TD in that game because he didn’t trust him to make the right or even a good decision. And as bad as Welch is, he at least might make a god decision.

Maybe if he wasn't sacked as much he would have a chance. Our oline is simply terrible. You think that might explain a few things?

 

[Townie72]

Some it, but not all of it. He frequently pulled the ball down instead of throwing it in a vain effort to escape the rush by running.

Earlier in the season he was called several times for intentional grounding. He stopped that and elected to start eating to the ball.

He has made little progress from what I have seen.

 

[Crusty]

I can't believe what I am reading. As a Sophomore TD is 6th in the ACC just behind Trevor Lawrence with 2,333 yards, a 64% completion pct. and 19 touchdowns to only 5 interceptions. He has the 5th most attempts per game in the ACC. He has the 6th best rating, yards per game and yards per attempt.

We are 129th of 130 in sacks allowed with 48.
So stop it, just stop it. Tommy Devito is not the problem.

 

[SUbear]

Maybe if he wasn't sacked as much he would have a chance. Our oline is simply terrible. You think that might explain a few things?

Some but not all.

 

[SUbear]

I can't believe what I am reading. As a Sophomore TD is 6th in the ACC just behind Trevor Lawrence with 2,333 yards, a 64% completion pct. and 19 touchdowns to only 5 interceptions. He has the 5th most attempts per game in the ACC. He has the 6th best rating, yards per game and yards per attempt.

We are 129th of 130 in sacks allowed with 48.
So stop it, just stop it. Tommy Devito is not the problem.

This team has problems too numerous to detail, but that does not mean that TD has performed well either. I have been mostly concerned with his many poor decisions. Yes better line play would certainly help him, and it might be enough to make him a winner, I hope we get both.

 

[hungrychuck]

Some but not all.

As I said earlier in the season, sometimes more than one thing can be true.

The OL has been horrid. And TD has his own issues.

To say he is an average sophomore P5 quarterback at this point would probably be a pretty generous assessment.

I hope he is able to improve, but I share the worries others have voiced about a lack of any real natural feel for the game.

 

[Crusty]

As I said earlier in the season, sometimes more than one thing can be true.

The OL has been horrid. And TD has his own issues.

To say he is an average sophomore P5 quarterback at this point would probably be a pretty generous assessment.

I hope he is able to improve, but I share the worries others have voiced about a lack of any real natural feel for the game.

There are only a few better in the ACC and all but 2 are seniors. All these criticisms lack any substance. Put any of the 5 QBs ahead of him in the conference 48 times and see how good they are. TD is a warrior - he learned it from Dungey.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

There are only a few better in the ACC and all but 2 are seniors. All these criticisms lack any substance. Put any of the 5 QBs ahead of him in the conference 48 times and see how good they are. TD is a warrior - he learned it from Dungey.

Crusty, it doesn't matter. There isn't any evidence you can present that will change someone's mind. DeVito doesn't get any credit for anything.

 

[hungrychuck]

There are only a few better in the ACC and all but 2 are seniors. All these criticisms lack any substance. Put any of the 5 QBs ahead of him in the conference 48 times and see how good they are. TD is a warrior - he learned it from Dungey.

TD is a gutsy kid, I'll give you that.

But I'm not sure how you could have watched him start 11 times and not have concerns.

You can invoke all the stats you want. We've all watched him play.

 

[Crusty]

TD is a gutsy kid, I'll give you that.

But I'm not sure how you could have watched him start 11 times and not have concerns.

You can invoke all the stats you want. We've all watched him play.

I sure have watched him run for his life with no protections and no holes to run through. When the stats pile up all you haters have nothing except "yeah, but" comments. When he had interceptions everyone said why doesn't he throw it away. When he throws it away he won't throw 50-50 balls. None of you make any sense.
Reminds me of some of the mindless criticisms Nassib used to get. Nothing is ever good enough.

If TD goes down you will wish you had him back.

He is not Dungey scrambler (who is?) - he is a far better passer and we are lucky to have him.

Do a little work before making ridiculous comments. TD is a gamer.

 

[hungrychuck]

I sure have watched him run for his life with no protections and no holes to run through. When the stats pile up all you haters have nothing except "yeah, but" comments. When he had interceptions everyone said why doesn't he throw it away. When he throws it away he won't throw 50-50 balls. None of you make any sense.
Reminds me of some of the mindless criticisms Nassib used to get. Nothing is ever good enough.

If TD goes down you will wish you had him back.

He is not Dungey scrambler (who is?) - he is a far better passer and we are lucky to have him.

Do a little work before making ridiculous comments. TD is a gamer.

Do a little work? Watching this team 11 times WAS work.

TD may be a gamer, but that doesn't mean he's more than an average P5 sophomore QB.

I said I was being generous in that assessment, and I was.

 

[baggerbob]

I sure have watched him run for his life with no protections and no holes to run through. When the stats pile up all you haters have nothing except "yeah, but" comments. When he had interceptions everyone said why doesn't he throw it away. When he throws it away he won't throw 50-50 balls. None of you make any sense.
Reminds me of some of the mindless criticisms Nassib used to get. Nothing is ever good enough.

If TD goes down you will wish you had him back.

He is not Dungey scrambler (who is?) - he is a far better passer and we are lucky to have him.

Do a little work before making ridiculous comments. TD is a gamer.

Go back to last year's Notre Dame game, and some of the problems TD had were shown then with a better line. When Eric when down we got blown out by a team Clemson destroyed. Hopefully TD will learn from this year how to move around and throw on the run.
If not next year could be more of the same.

 

[Crusty]

Go back to last year's Notre Dame game, and some of the problems TD had were shown then with a better line. When Eric when down we got blown out by a team Clemson destroyed. Hopefully TD will learn from this year how to move around and throw on the run.
If not next year could be more of the same.

Yes, and he beat FSU and NC.
Get him a line that isn't silly putty and he will be one of the very best in the ACC.

 

[Townie72]

Do a little work? Watching this team 11 times WAS work.

TD may be a gamer, but that doesn't mean he's more than an average P5 sophomore QB.

I said I was being generous in that assessment, and I was.

Well, now we’ve done it. By raising questions about the actual performance of the supposed wonder child, we have created a bunch of die-hard Devito defenders.

The case they make now —- and will continue to make —-is based on a combination of nostalgia, excuses and emotion.

The nostalgia is based on very good performances in 2018. I was a believer too ... until Maryland. That’s when the first seeds of doubt were planted.

The excuses are predictable and increasingly given. Bad OL, bad receivers who run the wrong routes and can’t catch, penalty after penalty, bad coaching, etc. All of this is true to a degree. But what isn’t true is that none of the problems are due to TD’s decision-making and “feel for the game”.

The third part of this is emotion as in “TD is a tough kid” and the critics are miserable people. They have painted themselves into an emotional corner and they are unlikely to be coaxed out of it.

How anyone can predict future greatness (see post above) based on what we have seen to date requires a lot of “belief in the absence of facts”.

You can believe what you want. My expectations are significantly downscaled. If I were Dino Barbers, I’d be looking for a Plan B at a minimum as a back-up. We’ll see what happens and what he does.

 

[JRHEETER]

stats don’t mean everything...

preseason I loved Tommy couldn’t wait to see what he could do.

tommy has great stats because most games he was playing in a game where they were down by over 20. The defenses were playing soft zone and prevent. That gives up a little pieces of yards, gives high completion percentages.

Sure we saw receivers wronging the wrong routes, but recent posters have told us maybe not so fast, that Tommy has admitted to not knowing his check downs and the playbook...maybe Tommy was throwing the wrong routes. Maybe that’s why Taj was getting so upset?

Like I said before, Tommy is not a bad qb. Tommy is not a good qb either. He’s not going to win you games but he also won’t lose you any games.

There is maybe one game out there that you can attest to Tommy winning and that is UNC last year...the feather in his cap is a win against a 2-9 UNC team...

Do we not remember the Western Michigan game last season? Tommy almost blew that game, Dungey came back in and saved the day...The other game Tommy played in Notre Dame and we got BOAT RACED. Like bad. Like really bad. The offense couldn’t move, period.

With that being said, I don’t think all the struggles this season are on Tommy because they aren’t. His defense didn’t help but most games they were out there a majority of the time because we were constantly 3 and out. Our OL was suspect the first 3/4ths of the season. Tommy certainly did not make anything easier this season on himself or this team.

here’s to hoping he works hard this offseason and figures it out!

 

[SmilinBob]

TD is not perfect and neither was any other QB at SU. He has faults regarding pressure from a rush (pocket presence), moving and throwing and being on page with the WRs (Who's fault that is I have no idea). That said, he hasn't complained and has made some very good throws while being pretty accurate when a pocket is formed.
Overall...he's a solid QB that needs to improve as does this whole offense and hopefully as some have said they all do their work over the winter and we see improvement in the spring.

As for a backup QB, absolutely they need to get somebody to challenge TD for next year.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The case they make now —- and will continue to make —-is based on a combination of nostalgia, excuses and emotion.

I did none of that, and yet you dismissed my assertion and examples that DeVito had improved but some posters were denying it because of what you think you saw right out of the gate.

 

[OrangeDW]

Orangehomer is very protective of higher recruited players. He automatically thinks they are better based on star rankings. That's his MO.

FourStarhomer

 

[Doc5120]

I did none of that, and yet you dismissed my assertion and examples that DeVito had improved but some posters were denying it because of what you think you saw right out of the gate.

He is exhausting and refuses to listen to anyone else's thoughts/opinions.

In any case, I agree with you. We're lucky to have TD. While his decision making at times has been suspect, he has plenty of talent. Someone earlier mentioned he has a difficult time remembering the plays and check-downs. I don't know if that is true, but if it is, it's very concerning. But from a pure talent standpoint, we don't have another kid on the roster half as good. Welch comes into the game and the first thing he does is bounce a ball 3 yards in front of an open WR who is 10-15 yards down the field.
No one should be wishing Tommy away unless we have some savior coming here that we're all unaware of. With our retooled O-line, the return of a bunch of skill players and hopefully a healthy TD, I really believe the offense can be very formidable next season.