Devito INT stat

[Townie72]

I don't know, I think people evaluate DeVito with moving goalposts.

He had some bad interceptions early in the season. People said that had to stop. It has stopped.

But people don't like the way it has stopped. Now some say he plays too safe, needs to take more risks throwing guys open. Or he throws it away too much or takes too many sacks. Which all is partly true at least, but he doesn't get credit for not throwing interceptions anymore.

And people had issue with his scrambling and sliding. Some said he needed to get better at recognizing when everybody is covered and learn to take off, and get the shoulder down instead of sliding. And he's done that. Seemingly every game for a while now he has tucked it on a 3rd or 4th down and fought to get the first down. That kind of gets ignored though.

The dude does some things incredibly well. He throws a beautiful, catchable deep ball. His accuracy is top notch, maybe to the point where it hurts him expectation wise, because he floats a ball a little bit to Harris that could have been a big play and it's a huge problem for our offense, when realistically that's not a pass many of our QBs ever showed they could make consistently.

He's not a perfect QB. When he's forced to roll out he struggles to make plays. He probably does play things a little safe sometimes. Outside of Jackson and Hackett, he doesn't seem to have good chemistry with any others in the passing game. He doesn't make the right call on RPO sometimes.

None of those things are unforgivable or things that he can't improve, and in terms of what skill is there, it's substantial. He gets next to no credit for it though, or for where he has made strides in season. There is also a belief by some at times that he can't or won't get better.

It's a bizarre narrative.

No wonder you think it’s “bizarre”. You are ascribing much more skill and improvements than anyone else has seen.

TD does throw a nice ball, when he decides to throw it. And he did stop throwing interceptions and getting called for intentional grounding.

But I didn’t see much improvement in 11 games. And his apparent lack of football sense doesn’t seem like something that is easily fixable to me.

I wish you were right. But based on what I have seen, I doubt it.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

No wonder you think it’s “bizarre”. You are ascribing much more skill and improvements than anyone else has seen.

TD does throw a nice ball, when he decides to throw it. And he did stop throwing interceptions and getting called for intentional grounding.

But I didn’t see much improvement in 11 games. And his apparent lack of football sense doesn’t seem like something that is easily fixable to me.

I wish you were right. But based on what I have seen, I doubt it.

You're not the only one unwilling to see improvement.

I don't understand why. But the improvement is there. It just doesn't get acknowledged. Like I said, it's strange

 

[Townie72]

You're not the only one unwilling to see improvement.

I don't understand why. But the improvement is there. It just doesn't get acknowledged. Like I said, it's strange

I have reason to deny improvement. I’m an SU fan and this kid is critical.

But after 11 games I am surprised at what he either cannot or will not do.

Improvement or not, he has a very, very long way to go. I was very positive on him after last year. Now I am not optimistic.

 

[orangehomer]

do we have to drag up all of the awful dungey games from when he was a young QB? the scrutiny TD is taking as a young starter by the cynicals is unprecedented from what I what can tell. especially when you factor in the alternatives, welch?

 

[orangehomer]

I have reason to deny improvement. I’m an SU fan and this kid is critical.

But after 11 games I am surprised at what he either cannot or will not do.

Improvement or not, he has a very, very long way to go. I was very positive on him after last year. Now I am not optimistic.

you have provided zero to substantiate this position.

 

[JRHEETER]

TD simply doesn't have a natural feel for the game. Everything looks forced.
If his first option isn't open or the play breaks down he doesn't possess the improvisation skills to make a play. I first noticed it during the ND game last year, and unfortunately, I haven't seen much growth.

Edit: I've been told he still has difficulty remembering the plays and check downs.

if your edit is true...that’s incredibly scary...this is the third year in our system...

 

[JRHEETER]

I don't know, I think people evaluate DeVito with moving goalposts.

He had some bad interceptions early in the season. People said that had to stop. It has stopped.

But people don't like the way it has stopped. Now some say he plays too safe, needs to take more risks throwing guys open. Or he throws it away too much or takes too many sacks. Which all is partly true at least, but he doesn't get credit for not throwing interceptions anymore.

And people had issue with his scrambling and sliding. Some said he needed to get better at recognizing when everybody is covered and learn to take off, and get the shoulder down instead of sliding. And he's done that. Seemingly every game for a while now he has tucked it on a 3rd or 4th down and fought to get the first down. That kind of gets ignored though.

The dude does some things incredibly well. He throws a beautiful, catchable deep ball. His accuracy is top notch, maybe to the point where it hurts him expectation wise, because he floats a ball a little bit to Harris that could have been a big play and it's a huge problem for our offense, when realistically that's not a pass many of our QBs ever showed they could make consistently.

He's not a perfect QB. When he's forced to roll out he struggles to make plays. He probably does play things a little safe sometimes. Outside of Jackson and Hackett, he doesn't seem to have good chemistry with any others in the passing game. He doesn't make the right call on RPO sometimes.

None of those things are unforgivable or things that he can't improve, and in terms of what skill is there, it's substantial. He gets next to no credit for it though, or for where he has made strides in season. There is also a belief by some at times that he can't or won't get better.

It's a bizarre narrative.

I think it was once he stopped with the INTs other problem areas really showed their face.

Devito has low INT numbers but that doesn’t mean he’s a good qb...

 

[JRHEETER]

do we have to drag up all of the awful dungey games from when he was a young QB? the scrutiny TD is taking as a young starter by the cynicals is unprecedented from what I what can tell. especially when you factor in the alternatives, welch?

I don’t think anyone really thinks Welch is a better qb...but Devito was an elite 11 qb...with the likes Tua etc and he hasn’t shown that he is even close to that level.

TD has really really high expectations coming in to this season.

also, everyone said that tommy looked bad because the OL couldn’t block. The last two games the ol blocked well and Tommy looked meh at best. I’ll give him the duke game because the conditions were horrendous. His effort at Louisville was subpar. Not from a stat line but actual game play.

 

[Townie72]

you have provided zero to substantiate this position.

So what? Statistics will just fog this up. Stats like 167 passes without an INT might seem like good news until you realize it is done by either throwing the ball away or eating it.

I know what I see before me. I can make a judgement after watching Pitt vs. SU play that lightly regarded Kenny Pickett seemed quite a bit better than TD.

What saves TD from a lot of criticism is all the other parts that haven’t been functioning properly.

Believe me, I take absolutely no pleasure in this. I hope the kid is Dan Marino, who struggled early on in his college career. We don’t have a Plan B and recruiting well in the big North Jersey Catholic school powerhouses is a very good idea for SU.

And I am just guessing that DB had lost faith in the golden armed TD in the red zone near the end of that game.

 

[Scooch]

Tommy reminds me of Tony Eason. A lot. For anyone who is in their 40s, like I am, will know that’s a mixed bag comparison. Eason was an incredibly gifted passer, who game managed the Pats to a Super Bowl, and then threw them to the playoffs the following year. However, he also got rattled easily.

If the pieces around him are strong — good OL, capable RBs, reliable WRs and TEs — I think DeVito can be a QB a team can win with. Not sure he’s elevating anyone’s game at the moment, but maybe that’s something that’ll come next season?

 

[Scooch]

do we have to drag up all of the awful dungey games from when he was a young QB? the scrutiny TD is taking as a young starter by the cynicals is unprecedented from what I what can tell. especially when you factor in the alternatives, welch?

It’s certainly not “unprecedented”. SU threw a LOT of young QBs to the wolves, post McNabb. All of them faced tremendous scrutiny.

 

[Scooch]

Two more things. 1) RE: being a young QB. This is precisely the circumstance that the DeVitos wanted. During his recruitment he knew that, at worst, he’d be Dino’s chosen QB for three years, starting as a redshirt sophomore. 2) The criticism that someone, anyone, receives from SU fans pales in comparison to practically any other P5 programs. Our fan base and media are pussycats, all things considered.

 

[kuethstheman]

He’s not going to win you any extra games...but he also probably isn’t going to lose you any games either. This is why everyone on defense and offense has to have a stellar game in order for us to win.

I'd rephrase that. He hasn't won us any games, this year, but he has won games for us in the past. I'm still confident he's going to set some records over his career and win us plenty more games.

 

[kuethstheman]

I honestly believe that TD worries about this stat and it negatively effects his decision making.

I don't see the logic. If he's worried about stats, he should be trying to pile up yards.

 

[OrangeDW]

I'd rephrase that. He hasn't won us any games, this year, but he has won games for us in the past. I'm still confident he's going to set some records over his career and win us plenty more games.

One. UNC. Which was awesome.
FSU he played solid, but our defense/their horrible offense were by far the biggest factors in that one.

 

[SUforme]

For me it's not only his overall performance that has been less than stellar IMO it's how we were told just how great he is time and time again. Do we not remember someone coming on here proclaiming how great TD is and why he wasn't given a "fair" shot at beating out Dungey threatened to transfer and this isn't what "they" signed up for?

 

[TheCusian]

No wonder you think it’s “bizarre”. You are ascribing much more skill and improvements than anyone else has seen.

TD does throw a nice ball, when he decides to throw it. And he did stop throwing interceptions and getting called for intentional grounding.

But I didn’t see much improvement in 11 games. And his apparent lack of football sense doesn’t seem like something that is easily fixable to me.

I wish you were right. But based on what I have seen, I doubt it.

when presented with facts, you said “I don’t see it” and didn’t present any of your own

 

[TheCusian]

I'd rephrase that. He hasn't won us any games, this year, but he has won games for us in the past. I'm still confident he's going to set some records over his career and win us plenty more games.

yeah, he’s literally having a top 3 season in the past 20 years statistically (for us) and it’s been largely mediocre to bad “looking”

if this season is proof of anything, it’s our ability to foist too much onto the position while shortchanging the the OL and blitz pickup

this season should be encouraging at that position, considering the issues elsewhere

 

[Scooch]

For me it's not only his overall performance that has been less than stellar IMO it's how we were told just how great he is time and time again. Do we not remember someone coming on here proclaiming how great TD is and why he wasn't given a "fair" shot at beating out Dungey threatened to transfer and this isn't what "they" signed up for?

It's not fair to hold Tommy accountable for his father. Even as thoroughly off-putting his father's posts have been.

 

[SUforme]

It's not fair to hold Tommy accountable for his father. Even as thoroughly off-putting his father's posts have been.

I mean come on he was "professionally" trained...lol You are right it's not fair however it did happen and it's just an addition for me for TD's overall as a player.

 

[Scooch]

I mean come on he was "professionally" trained...lol You are right it's not fair however it did happen and it's just an addition for me for TD's overall as a player.

I do get it, I have been totally put off by a lot of what his father has posted. It hasn't helped. But it really is no reason to add to the critiques of Tommy. Sins of the father, and all.

 

[cusefan88]

First-time starter. He'll be fine. They do need a former QB on staff to help him. Kirk Martin ain't that guy.

 

[SUforme]

I do get it, I have been totally put off by a lot of what his father has posted. It hasn't helped. But it really is no reason to add to the critiques of Tommy. Sins of the father, and all.

You are right but I have also heard the apple didn't fall far from the tree.

 

[djorange1989]

There are things TD can/hopefully will improve on, but I really question whether he has that IT factor, those intangibles that you need to be a really good/great QB. I just don't see it. I have watched enough of guys like Jay Cutler and Mitch Trubisky out here in Bears territory to see how important those things are.

 

[orange79]

Tommy reminds me of Tony Eason. A lot. For anyone who is in their 40s, like I am, will know that’s a mixed bag comparison. Eason was an incredibly gifted passer, who game managed the Pats to a Super Bowl, and then threw them to the playoffs the following year. However, he also got rattled easily.

If the pieces around him are strong — good OL, capable RBs, reliable WRs and TEs — I think DeVito can be a QB a team can win with. Not sure he’s elevating anyone’s game at the moment, but maybe that’s something that’ll come next season?

He lit us up in the Dome too, in the early 80's.