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Here is what Dino told ESPN yesterday:

AMELIA ISLAND, Fla. -- Dino Babers searches for a way to properly contextualize all he believes about his new regime at Syracuse, but it’s tough. How does he explain a system he’s purposefully worked to keep undefined, unexpected?
What he wants to do at Syracuse is grandiose. He wants to take one of college football’s most tradition-rich but least-interesting programs (at least for the last decade) and make it relevant.

This requires some outside-the-box thinking, and while that comes naturally to Babers, it’s not always easy to extrapolate those big ideas percolating in his head into a nuanced explanation for outsiders. He’s notorious for coaching without a playbook. There’s no sense in writing any of this down, since the whole point is to adjust often enough that he never becomes predictable.

“Do you play checkers?” he asks. “How about chess?” He grins. “I play both, but I prefer chess,” he says. “Frankly, checkers is kind of boring to me.”
In this analogy, the powers that be are playing checkers, and Syracuse has been particularly bad at it. It’s been 14 years since Syracuse last won at least nine games. Since then, the Orange have had 10 seasons in which they won two or fewer conference games. In the three-year regime of previous coach Scott Shafer, Syracuse ranked 107th in scoring, 110th in yards-per-game and 95th in plays-per-game. So Babers wants to change the way the Orange play -- not just in scheme, but in how everyone in the organization thinks about football. He’s not interested in checkers. He wants Syracuse playing chess. “If I try to play it the way everybody else plays it,” Babers says, “we’ll get the result we always got.”

There’s no doubt Babers’ style is different. When he joined Art Briles’ staff at Baylor in 2008, friends begged him not to take the job. It would be a career killer to work for such a dismal program, they said. Instead, Briles taught Babers how to play things different -- speeding up offense, ignoring traditional metrics of a good defense, tearing away the aura of invincibility of college football’s blue bloods and upending how the game is played. They don’t get it, and because they have a capital ‘E’” Babers says of the traditional powers. “It’s ego. Everybody has an ego, but you need your ‘e’ to be a small ‘e.’ When we go against a capital ‘E’ -- those are the most fun games to play, because they’re the most predictable.”

Babers’ teams are anything but predictable. At Bowling Green last season, Babers’ squad ranked sixth nationally in scoring, 15th in yards-per-play and eighth in plays-per-game, en route to a 10-4 campaign. Ten wins isn’t the goal for Syracuse this year, but those other numbers -- the speed, the efficiency, the confidence -- are the building blocks that Babers thinks will eventually get the Orange into the mix atop a stacked ACC Atlantic. “There’ll be a lot of things that happen good to us, a lot of things that happen bad to us, but we’re not going to be a defensive fighter,” Babers said of his expectations for 2016 at Syracuse. “We’re going to go out and make things happen. They could happen quickly in a good manner or a bad manner, but they’ll happen quickly. We’re not going to be bunting. We’re swinging.”

It’s an approach that has excited his team and offered optimism for a fan base that has largely tuned out football in recent years. Last season, the Orange averaged 32,102 fans per game -- the fourth-worst total in the ACC. That number was down more than 8,000 fans per game from the previous year, the biggest percentage drop of any Power 5 school. Babers isn’t concerned with that. The Carrier Dome, he believes, could be one of the biggest home-field advantages in college football, if he can simply sell the fans on his style of football. He gave them a glimpse during the spring game, when the Orange ran 155 plays and scored 13 touchdowns. And that, Babers said, was just the tip of the iceberg. By September, he wants his offense moving faster, scoring more, pushing the envelope so much that the competition is forced to adjust. The Orange likely won't have enough talent to compete for a championship, but they've got a good shot to sneak up on a few teams and surprise them.

But if the system is about changing from the old guard at Syracuse, the big questions now are about the future. Mark Coyle was the athletics director who hired Babers in December, selling Syracuse to a coach in high demand around the country. Then, before Babers has coached a single game in Orange, Coyle departed -- leaving to take the AD job at Minnesota this week. That leaves Babers in a precarious position. His entire approach is about doing things differently, about erasing the blackboard and drawing up a new game plan, and he knows that will take time. Will the next AD be patient enough to see the process through? Will his ego have a big ‘E’ or a little one?
Babers remained mum on the topic during the ACC’s spring meetings this week, when the news was dumped in his lap that Coyle had departed the previous night for Minnesota without so much as a warning to his newly hired head coach. Still, Babers’ primary concern this season at Syracuse is about the building blocks for the future -- rejuvenating the fan base, rebuilding the offense, restocking the talent on the roster. Coyle’s departure puts those building blocks on far shakier ground.

“It’s a process, and I’m not trying to lay down a quick fix,” said Babers -- perhaps the one thing he’s willing to admit he won’t do at hyper speed this season. “I took this job because I don’t want to go anywhere else. You’ve got to build this house right. If we need to blow up the foundation and lay a new one, that’s what we’ll do. We’ll build it slow, but we’ll build it the right way so it will last.”
At a place like Syracuse, being interesting may be more important than being good in the short term, and Babers can promise that. In the long term though, the talent has to catch up to the system, and Syracuse has a long way to go.
But Babers has seen it all done before -- the slow slog toward respectability at Baylor before the Bears blossomed into one of the nation's elite. That's what he believes can happen at Syracuse, too.

It's crazy talk, really. But that's where Babers sees his advantage again. It's only crazy by the standards set doing things the old way, and he's not interested in any of that.
"This is going to look different," he says. "It doesn’t mean we’re going to be successful immediately, but it’ll look different."
 
Briles taught Babers how to play things different -- speeding up offense, ignoring traditional metrics of a good defense, tearing away the aura of invincibility of college football’s blue bloods and upending how the game is played. They don’t get it, and because they have a capital ‘E’” Babers says of the traditional powers. “It’s ego. Everybody has an ego, but you need your ‘e’ to be a small ‘e.’ When we go against a capital ‘E’ -- those are the most fun games to play, because they’re the most predictable.”

Dino Babers is the "prince that was promised" of Syracuse Football.

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Everytime I see that 13 TD number, I get a tingle in me. We scored 1 TD last Spring. ONE! Say what you want about Spring D's - "D is only playing base package", "D is learning a new scheme", "We were low on bodies", etc., etc. Guess what? Those same excuses existed last year. Fact is, this offense works and it's already evident. Less than 4 months away. I can't wait.
 
Everytime I see that 13 TD number, I get a tingle in me. We scored 1 TD last Spring. ONE! Say what you want about Spring D's - "D is only playing base package", "D is learning a new scheme", "We were low on bodies", etc., etc. Guess what? Those same excuses existed last year. Fact is, this offense works and it's already evident. Less than 4 months away. I can't wait.
And BC scored NONE this year. Two field goals total in a traditional game. That has no relevance here except it brings me joy that we don't have to play like them anymore.
 
Everytime I see that 13 TD number, I get a tingle in me. We scored 1 TD last Spring. ONE! Say what you want about Spring D's - "D is only playing base package", "D is learning a new scheme", "We were low on bodies", etc., etc. Guess what? Those same excuses existed last year. Fact is, this offense works and it's already evident. Less than 4 months away. I can't wait.
That offense was awesome on that Saturday as I can't remember the last time where I SAW tight ends so wide open in the middle of the field numerous times that day...Judge, surely you saw that also
 
Here is what Dino told ESPN yesterday:
Babers said of his expectations for 2016 at Syracuse. “We’re going to go out and make things happen. They could happen quickly in a good manner or a bad manner, but they’ll happen quickly. We’re not going to be bunting. We’re swinging.”
For a fanbase that since the late 90's mostly suffered thru things happening in a bad, slow and painful manner, we'll take it.
 
texascpa said:
Everytime I see that 13 TD number, I get a tingle in me. We scored 1 TD last Spring. ONE! Say what you want about Spring D's - "D is only playing base package", "D is learning a new scheme", "We were low on bodies", etc., etc. Guess what? Those same excuses existed last year. Fact is, this offense works and it's already evident. Less than 4 months away. I can't wait.

If that game was on ESPN3, I'd have watched it 50 times by now. Can't. Wait.

Side note: On Twitter, every Babers article or positive note gets fans from our division taking small shots. Me thinks they scared.
 
From what I know HCDB has a "6 year contact" with a 5 year extension bringing him to around age 65. Also he reportedly makes $2.4 million (CL thinks it's $2.5 million) plus incentives. Based upon my own review of coaching salaries, that is right in line with all other P5 schools except the top 10-15 like Alabama, Ohio State, etc. He also just bought a top of line house on the East Side somewhere. As OP states, Dino has no intentions of going anywhere.

Personally, things happen for a reason. I would never burn a bridge like Coyle just did at a previous employer because in my and like many industries it's a very small world. Look how hard of a time Doctor Gross is having finding a new job, there are only a few top positions in the country like this and you never know who you might bump into in the future that could kill you on your next job. Herm Frazier I believe was once an AD and has had to settle for Assistant AD positions ever since.

I have faith in the Chancellor that he will find a suitable, if not better, replacement.
 
From what I know HCDB has a "6 year contact" with a 5 year extension bringing him to around age 65. Also he reportedly makes $2.4 million (CL thinks it's $2.5 million) plus incentives. Based upon my own review of coaching salaries, that is right in line with all other P5 schools except the top 10-15 like Alabama, Ohio State, etc. He also just bought a top of line house on the East Side somewhere. As OP states, Dino has no intentions of going anywhere.

Personally, things happen for a reason. I would never burn a bridge like Coyle just did at a previous employer because in my and like many industries it's a very small world. Look how hard of a time Doctor Gross is having finding a new job, there are only a few top positions in the country like this and you never know who you might bump into in the future that could kill you on your next job. Herm Frazier I believe was once an AD and has had to settle for Assistant AD positions ever since.

I have faith in the Chancellor that he will find a suitable, if not better, replacement.

Is DG looking? Is it just feelers? I like the guy overall and believe he did a good job for Syracuse. Syverud had to reign in spending to focus it on the bigger picture (focus on STEM, research, improving academic standing, etc.) and the two probably butted heads, both stood firm so a change was needed.

I know many fault him for the football but both bad hires came on the heels of events in which he had zero control over. He clearly did an excellent job in the department overall and his one good football hire was done in the proper fashion and he executed well. I agree he was probably a little cash crazy, but clearly, the Syracuse AD had been neglected for many years and needed much of t0eh infusion. Staffing is probably the one area I would criticize most, but all managers (myself included) like having people around to delegate new ideas and projects to).

I have zero inside info but as an outsider, I see he did a great job overall and would be a valuable AD anywhere, most schools would benefit from his overall vision and execution. If DG is targeting schools he is interested in, that I would understand more than nobody wants him.

I fully agree with your final statement. Syverud is proving to be a good steward in all areas and keeping everything in balance, I have confidence that he will bring in the right AD. Sadly, Coyle was becoming the "right AD" but he gave it up for Minnesota, some people cannot handle the East Coast.
 
For a fanbase that since the late 90's mostly suffered thru things happening in a bad, slow and painful manner, we'll take it.


Lets not beat ourselves up too much.

In 1997 we went to the Fiesta Bowl, in 1998 we went to the Orange Bowl, in 1999 we went to the Music City Bowl and in 2001 we went to the Insight Bowl.
 
Lets not beat ourselves up too much.

In 1997 we went to the Fiesta Bowl, in 1998 we went to the Orange Bowl, in 1999 we went to the Music City Bowl and in 2001 we went to the Insight Bowl.
Right - late 90's ;) ... '01 was the exception, thanks to Dwight. So were the Pinstripes.
 
orangenirvana said:
That's nice. What about the rest of the public who choose to not have such a shitty cable service?

I have that "shitty" cable service. So while I was at the spring game watching it live, I was dvr-Ing it and watched it again that night. Pretty shitty indeed.

You must know someone with that shitty cable service. Have them tape it on a vcr tape you can borrow. ;)
 
Here is what Dino told ESPN yesterday:

AMELIA ISLAND, Fla. -- Dino Babers searches for a way to properly contextualize all he believes about his new regime at Syracuse, but it’s tough. How does he explain a system he’s purposefully worked to keep undefined, unexpected?
What he wants to do at Syracuse is grandiose. He wants to take one of college football’s most tradition-rich but least-interesting programs (at least for the last decade) and make it relevant.

This requires some outside-the-box thinking, and while that comes naturally to Babers, it’s not always easy to extrapolate those big ideas percolating in his head into a nuanced explanation for outsiders. He’s notorious for coaching without a playbook. There’s no sense in writing any of this down, since the whole point is to adjust often enough that he never becomes predictable.

“Do you play checkers?” he asks. “How about chess?” He grins. “I play both, but I prefer chess,” he says. “Frankly, checkers is kind of boring to me.”
In this analogy, the powers that be are playing checkers, and Syracuse has been particularly bad at it. It’s been 14 years since Syracuse last won at least nine games. Since then, the Orange have had 10 seasons in which they won two or fewer conference games. In the three-year regime of previous coach Scott Shafer, Syracuse ranked 107th in scoring, 110th in yards-per-game and 95th in plays-per-game. So Babers wants to change the way the Orange play -- not just in scheme, but in how everyone in the organization thinks about football. He’s not interested in checkers. He wants Syracuse playing chess. “If I try to play it the way everybody else plays it,” Babers says, “we’ll get the result we always got.”

There’s no doubt Babers’ style is different. When he joined Art Briles’ staff at Baylor in 2008, friends begged him not to take the job. It would be a career killer to work for such a dismal program, they said. Instead, Briles taught Babers how to play things different -- speeding up offense, ignoring traditional metrics of a good defense, tearing away the aura of invincibility of college football’s blue bloods and upending how the game is played. They don’t get it, and because they have a capital ‘E’” Babers says of the traditional powers. “It’s ego. Everybody has an ego, but you need your ‘e’ to be a small ‘e.’ When we go against a capital ‘E’ -- those are the most fun games to play, because they’re the most predictable.”

Babers’ teams are anything but predictable. At Bowling Green last season, Babers’ squad ranked sixth nationally in scoring, 15th in yards-per-play and eighth in plays-per-game, en route to a 10-4 campaign. Ten wins isn’t the goal for Syracuse this year, but those other numbers -- the speed, the efficiency, the confidence -- are the building blocks that Babers thinks will eventually get the Orange into the mix atop a stacked ACC Atlantic. “There’ll be a lot of things that happen good to us, a lot of things that happen bad to us, but we’re not going to be a defensive fighter,” Babers said of his expectations for 2016 at Syracuse. “We’re going to go out and make things happen. They could happen quickly in a good manner or a bad manner, but they’ll happen quickly. We’re not going to be bunting. We’re swinging.”

It’s an approach that has excited his team and offered optimism for a fan base that has largely tuned out football in recent years. Last season, the Orange averaged 32,102 fans per game -- the fourth-worst total in the ACC. That number was down more than 8,000 fans per game from the previous year, the biggest percentage drop of any Power 5 school. Babers isn’t concerned with that. The Carrier Dome, he believes, could be one of the biggest home-field advantages in college football, if he can simply sell the fans on his style of football. He gave them a glimpse during the spring game, when the Orange ran 155 plays and scored 13 touchdowns. And that, Babers said, was just the tip of the iceberg. By September, he wants his offense moving faster, scoring more, pushing the envelope so much that the competition is forced to adjust. The Orange likely won't have enough talent to compete for a championship, but they've got a good shot to sneak up on a few teams and surprise them.

But if the system is about changing from the old guard at Syracuse, the big questions now are about the future. Mark Coyle was the athletics director who hired Babers in December, selling Syracuse to a coach in high demand around the country. Then, before Babers has coached a single game in Orange, Coyle departed -- leaving to take the AD job at Minnesota this week. That leaves Babers in a precarious position. His entire approach is about doing things differently, about erasing the blackboard and drawing up a new game plan, and he knows that will take time. Will the next AD be patient enough to see the process through? Will his ego have a big ‘E’ or a little one?
Babers remained mum on the topic during the ACC’s spring meetings this week, when the news was dumped in his lap that Coyle had departed the previous night for Minnesota without so much as a warning to his newly hired head coach. Still, Babers’ primary concern this season at Syracuse is about the building blocks for the future -- rejuvenating the fan base, rebuilding the offense, restocking the talent on the roster. Coyle’s departure puts those building blocks on far shakier ground.

“It’s a process, and I’m not trying to lay down a quick fix,” said Babers -- perhaps the one thing he’s willing to admit he won’t do at hyper speed this season. “I took this job because I don’t want to go anywhere else. You’ve got to build this house right. If we need to blow up the foundation and lay a new one, that’s what we’ll do. We’ll build it slow, but we’ll build it the right way so it will last.”
At a place like Syracuse, being interesting may be more important than being good in the short term, and Babers can promise that. In the long term though, the talent has to catch up to the system, and Syracuse has a long way to go.
But Babers has seen it all done before -- the slow slog toward respectability at Baylor before the Bears blossomed into one of the nation's elite. That's what he believes can happen at Syracuse, too.

It's crazy talk, really. But that's where Babers sees his advantage again. It's only crazy by the standards set doing things the old way, and he's not interested in any of that.
"This is going to look different," he says. "It doesn’t mean we’re going to be successful immediately, but it’ll look different."
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I have that "shitty" cable service. So while I was at the spring game watching it live, I was dvr-Ing it and watched it again that night. Pretty shitty indeed.

You must know someone with that shitty cable service. Have them tape it on a vcr tape you can borrow. ;)
Good for Time Warner for retaining the exclusive rights to that game. I'm just saying it would be nice if it were available to the many who have decided to drop them for a superior service.
 
orangenirvana said:
Good for Time Warner for retaining the exclusive rights to that game. I'm just saying it would be nice if it were available to the many who have decided to drop them for a superior service.
The real good news for ALL is that since the move to the ACC, there aren't games on there at all anymore. If you HAVE to miss something, at least it's that and not a real game.
 
If I am successful in copying the game on C.D. i will try and and post it here,if not I can mail to someone who can do it...So far it appears to be working.
Was not successful as the DVD was saying it was being recorded it did not record it. I just had time warner installed recently and thought they had everything in sync,but didn't .Time to call them back and fix it like I had with DIRECTV. I finally got another dvd to play,but no audio what so ever.

They better send someone out who knows What they are doing as the two guys they sent were more clueless than I.
 
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