Dino offense 2.0?

[GoSU96]

There’s been a decided change in the offense starting with the Wake game last year.

11/19/22	@ Wake Forest	Turf	L 35-45	120	357	61	477	7.82
11/26/22	@ Boston College	Turf	W 32-23	158	285	66	443	6.71
12/29/22	+ Minnesota	Grass	L 20-28	147	330	85	477	5.61

Date	Opponent	Surface	Result	Rush Yards	Pass Yards	Plays	Total Yards	Yards/Play
09/02/23	Colgate	Turf	W 65-0	271	406	89	677	7.61
09/09/23	Western Mich.	Turf	W 48-7	153	343	76	496	6.53

Before this five game stretch Shrader had one prior game over 300yds, UConn.

You’d like to see the rush totals get in the 180-200 range, but that’s a solid 5 game stretch of production.

 

[FasterCuse]

I wonder if Beck was handed the reigns about that time.

 

[Cuse12]

Beck ball is more similar to Dino ball when he got here. Up tempo, quick hitters (without the horrible bubble screens thank Jesus) and then try and beat you long. RPOs and trap runs to keep the defense conscious of the box.

 

[upperdeck]

it will be interesting to see when the Ds play softer coverages will the oline be able to open enough running lanes to move the ball. Purdue has a dline with size and nothing our oline has showed yet on how they will handle that.

I also dont think we have used 25% of the plays yet in the running game so that may help as well

 

[baggerbob]

it will be interesting to see when the Ds play softer coverages will the oline be able to open enough running lanes to move the ball. Purdue has a dline with size and nothing our oline has showed yet on how they will handle that.

I also dont think we have used 25% of the plays yet in the running game so that may help as well

They may have size but can they run, if you are 300 lbs and don't have Clemson speed, Garrett will beat you down the field.

 

[orangepassion]

What I like is we're more creative, particularly in the run game. The constant runs up the middle in the old Dino offense were very predictable. We now use the whole field in the running game.

 

[SUskibum]

There’s been a decided change in the offense starting with the Wake game last year.

11/19/22	@ Wake Forest	Turf	L 35-45	120	357	61	477	7.82
11/26/22	@ Boston College	Turf	W 32-23	158	285	66	443	6.71
12/29/22	+ Minnesota	Grass	L 20-28	147	330	85	477	5.61

Date	Opponent	Surface	Result	Rush Yards	Pass Yards	Plays	Total Yards	Yards/Play
09/02/23	Colgate	Turf	W 65-0	271	406	89	677	7.61
09/09/23	Western Mich.	Turf	W 48-7	153	343	76	496	6.53

Before this five game stretch Shrader had one prior game over 300yds, UConn.

You’d like to see the rush totals get in the 180-200 range, but that’s a solid 5 game stretch of production.

Anae started using the pass a lot more but I feel the tempo got added the last 3 games when Beck started playing calls

The similarities are a better tempo with more emphasis on passing but feels much smother and less ‘boom / bust’. I also notice we are using more of the ‘clap hard count’ to try to get free plays that I haven’t really seen since Dungey.

I love that we don’t see dives and wr screens half the time and I also love not seeing them rush to the line only to wait 20 seconds to run the play. They play faster but feels so much more natural and less herky jerky

 

[sutomcat]

There’s been a decided change in the offense starting with the Wake game last year.

11/19/22	@ Wake Forest	Turf	L 35-45	120	357	61	477	7.82
11/26/22	@ Boston College	Turf	W 32-23	158	285	66	443	6.71
12/29/22	+ Minnesota	Grass	L 20-28	147	330	85	477	5.61

Date	Opponent	Surface	Result	Rush Yards	Pass Yards	Plays	Total Yards	Yards/Play
09/02/23	Colgate	Turf	W 65-0	271	406	89	677	7.61
09/09/23	Western Mich.	Turf	W 48-7	153	343	76	496	6.53

Before this five game stretch Shrader had one prior game over 300yds, UConn.

You’d like to see the rush totals get in the 180-200 range, but that’s a solid 5 game stretch of production.

Some of this is because Tucker got progressively worse as the season progressed and they couldn’t run him 20 times a game any longer.

These numbers look a lot like what UVa did with Anae and Beck. It looks more and more like we are running their offense these days.

It will be interesting to see how Purdue defends Syracuse. Will they put 8 in the box and try and try away the run? I think they probably play more straight up. Believe Walters is known for blitzing a lot. The game against the blitz crazy Broncos should be good prep for this.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

While Beck's offense certainly seems to have an identity, I wouldn't chalk those statistics up to anything more than the quality of opponent (at this point). Let's see where we are after the BC game in early November.

 

[sufandu]

They may have size but can they run, if you are 300 lbs and don't have Clemson speed, Garrett will beat you down the field.

Hopefully the running backs can beat them downfield. I don't want Shrader being the main running threat.

 

[FrancoPizza]

What I like is we're more creative, particularly in the run game. The constant runs up the middle in the old Dino offense were very predictable. We now use the whole field in the running game.

What in the first 2 games supports this idea?

 

[upperdeck]

While Beck's offense certainly seems to have an identity, I wouldn't chalk those statistics up to anything more than the quality of opponent (at this point). Let's see where we are after the BC game in early November.

on the other hand had they played the game out it was gonna be 100-7 type games both weeks.

 

[PAcuse]

Beck Offense 1.0 is what we are seeing
Dino I think knows he needs to be a CEO at this point and keeps his hands out of the cookie jar

 

[Scooch]

Some of this is because Tucker got progressively worse as the season progressed and they couldn’t run him 20 times a game any longer.

I also think Dino was overly committed to getting Tucker numbers for his Heisman campaign last year. He averaged 22 carries/game for the first 5 games. But as the season progressed, Tucker's nagging injuries put the kibosh on that.

 

[RMH44]

it will be interesting to see when the Ds play softer coverages will the oline be able to open enough running lanes to move the ball. Purdue has a dline with size and nothing our oline has showed yet on how they will handle that.

I also dont think we have used 25% of the plays yet in the running game so that may help as well

Purdue's DL is bigger than the 1st two opponents but I don't think that makes them harder to block. Their overall quality is what, potentially, concerns me. In some ways, smaller quicker DL can be harder to block because of their quickness and schemes designed to take advantage of that quickness. I think we'll be fine on Saturday.

I agree regarding the percentage of the run game playbook that we've used so far. I'll take it a step further, I think we ran many of the same pass plays over and over using slightly different formations. I'm expecting the playbook "kitchen sink" this week.

 

[RMH44]

While Beck's offense certainly seems to have an identity, I wouldn't chalk those statistics up to anything more than the quality of opponent (at this point). Let's see where we are after the BC game in early November.

I agree to an extent, but I love what I saw in the Pin Stripe bowl. I think we begin to see Beck's offensive vision this week at Purdue. No more Dino shackles.

 

[wfschrec]

I agree to an extent, but I love what I saw in the Pin Stripe bowl. I think we begin to see Beck's offensive vision this week at Purdue. No more Dino shackles.

We more than doubled up Minnys offensive output which was great to see considering all the players we were missing. Both teams at full strength I would choose Cuse all day in that matchup.

 

[NKR1978]

We more than doubled up Minnys offensive output

This is honestly shocking to me.

 

[wfschrec]

This is honestly shocking to me.

477 to 215

 

[NKR1978]

477 to 215

I was there, and just looked up the stats, and still don't believe them. What a strange game.

 

[RF2044]

I was there, and just looked up the stats, and still don't believe them. What a strange game.

Shrader less than 100%, lousy field conditions stalling drives.

We gave up two big plays, and threw an INT when we were driving to score.

Those reasons basically summarize why we lost a game where we dominated the opposition in terms of yards.

 

[wfschrec]

I was there, and just looked up the stats, and still don't believe them. What a strange game.

We were outstanding moving the ball … we just ran out of gas missing so many pieces and couldn’t quite break through on a few drives.

 

[upperdeck]

Moving the ball is great but when it gets down deep the oline needs to carry more of the load.

 

[cusefan88]

Beck Offense 1.0 is what we are seeing
Dino I think knows he needs to be a CEO at this point and keeps his hands out of the cookie jar

Dino is a mediocre X's and O's guy. Very few HC's are true tacticians. He's a CEO that needs an excellent staff around him so he can lead, motivate, and organize. I believe the program has reached that stage now.

 

[GoSU96]

We more than doubled up Minnys offensive output which was great to see considering all the players we were missing. Both teams at full strength I would choose Cuse all day in that matchup.

It was a typical loss to Rutgers type game. Defensive score, big return and short field, give away the game.

Or the Bills last night.