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[qdawgg]

The article is unequivocally true for what it’s stating which is that the teams that are ranked toward the top of the recruiting rankings win more games. I get that there is validity to that.

What it doesn’t address is how they rank kids nationally beyond that top 250 or 300 or so and how often those recruiting rankings reflect a team that is about to emerge as really good or a traditional power that is waning.

If we assume they can accurately rate every kid scouted and offered by FBS programs — I don’t see how this is humanly possible, but I’m fine if you believe that — then we need to figure out something with scheme, S&C, technique, etc. We simply aren’t going to be landing 10 4-stars a class u less Dabo gets sick of Clemson and brings the whole crew and his boosters to the hill.

But again — for the record — I’m not arguing that the SEC, Clemson, Ohio State etc aren’t getting more talent.

I’m not, nor have I ever once said this at any point in the years and years I’ve been on this board.

 

[kcsu]

Interesting article but I'm not entirely sure it's either A) a scientific study of the system used to rate kids or B) necessarily telling us anything we don't know.

You or I could come up with a top 25 list of recruiting classes without looking at a thing and be pretty accurate. Take almost all of the SEC (let's say 8-9 schools), add clemson, ohio state, wisconsin, michigan, Penn state, usc, notre dame, oklahoma, Florida State, Miami and then sprinkle in a few schools that are good bets to pop up -- Oregon, Stanford and maybe a couple others and you've got your top 25. Not only is that likely the bulk of the top 25, it's also likely pretty accurate in terms of talent.

However, I don't really see any evidence that improved recruiting rankings predict future success. Take Minnesota: 10-2, ranked 16th in the country. Clearly have some level of talent. Previous four recruiting classes: 46, 59, 38, 45. Now that they won 10 games? Shocker -- class ranked at 31.

How about USC -- classes ranked 10-4-4-20 nationally up through 2019. The past two seasons, they have a combined 11 losses and, shocker, this year (with only 11 players signed, which I believe hurts the classes) they're ranked 78th. Further, they've never finished outside the top 20, at least going back to the early 2000s (and generally they crushed as in top 2 or 3 ranking and easily top 10) yet from '09 on they've averaged 4+ losses a year and finished outside the top 25 five times in that span. Now we'd still gladly trade results with them in that span, but they went from a team that was incredibly disappointed by two-loss seasons to a team that is averaging 4 and has had several worse seasons including a 5-7 year last season.

Same goes for Texas or ND -- results have been pretty up and down, recruiting rankings remain pretty steady.

For me, at the end of the day, it's likely a moot point b/c until we somehow start landing a couple handfulls of 4-stars, we're going to need to develop and coach up the talent we get. But I really feel if these things were accurate, they'd tell you that the talent was dipping at USC before a year or two before you saw the results on the field. Same thing at ND or Texas, etc.

We need to significantly upgrade our coaching talent. We will never be much better than top 30 in recruiting probably top 40. What we can do is hire top notch young assistant coaches. Look at Macs staffs, Ps staffs, and to an extent Dougs. This staff for the most part is MAC level.

 

[NJneer12]

Alexander leaving the team is what most people believe he is talking about

Thank you!

 

[billsin01]

I’m not, nor have I ever once said this at any point in the years and years I’ve been on this board.

Ok

 

[Cusefan69]

DeVito had a solid year despite our O line, he’s not get unseated unless a stud/someone comparable comes in. That seems unlikely at best right now.

id like young depth gaining experience behind Tommy, or pushing him in a camp. Mercenary qb’s wont help us here

Agreed 100% in a perfect world where we have been getting at least one QB a year and the cupboards are full. Unfortunately that is not the situation as you know. We really need a grad transfer and coach should be 100% selling the role is 100% open competition and expect your current QB to accept the challenge to get better where he needs to be better. We need a grad transfer who is told by the coach its an open competition because 1 of 2 things happen. Either he beats out the incumbent which is a good thing or he pushes the incumbent to play better and almost more importantly we now have a reliable #2 QB on the team of which has a history of routinely going 2 deep at the position. Also bring in a young guy to develop. Given the concern about our Oline, we gotta have 2 guys who can play.