Dino's Game 8 Press Conference for Va Tech: 11 AM

[hoopsupstate]

The analytics are way overrated imho. I’d rather have a HC who makes decisions based on analytics and other factors.

My issue is that Dino doesn’t seem to have a feel for the situation….not knowledge of the analytics.

I do wonder how other programs handle it.

saban probably has a seven figure analytics coach.

I think Saban does what Saban wants.

 

[JeffCuse]

Dino has this weird way of winning me over on Monday, and then completely losing me on Saturday.
And the next week the cycle repeats.

I really wish it would work with him. I like the guy so much. But I just don't feel particularly confident it will.

 

[Chip]

Dino said he reads all the stuff on the internet, wonder if he ever lurks on here?

He just pops in midweek to get an advanced copy of SWC’s radio show questions.

 

[qdawgg]

Dino said he reads all the stuff on the internet, wonder if he ever lurks on here?

I’m sure he does because I say some really good stuff and it’s free.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

They made adjustments in the second half. You don't think Venebles is going to adjust?

Shrader didn't choose not to run. On the plays against other teams where he made guys miss and busted a run, he wasn't making Clemson guys miss and was throwing the ball away. The plays weren't there to be made on the ground against Clemson the way they had been previously.

I didn't advocate for taking the ball out of Tucker's hands. If he doesn't lose yards on the first down runs, he gets more carries. You mentioned earlier you still think 2nd and 9 is a running down. What about 2 and 12 or 2nd and 10 or 1st and 15?

Tucker got 93 of his yards on two carries in the first half. He had opportunities for those long runs because he was also getting 4 yard gains and 7 yard gains and 8 gains. And Shrader was completing passes to keep drives going and keep Clemson's defense honest. Tucker had his 54 yard run on the first play of a drive. His 39 yard run came on play 9 of a 10 play drive that included 3 pass completions that picked up first downs and smaller runs for positive gains that kept us on schedule and made Clemson's defense play honest. The long run doesn't happen without the pass completions or the smaller positive gains. And neither of those were happening in the second half.

Look at the play by play on espn.com. We didn't just stop giving Tucker the ball in the second. The passing game executed better in the first half and Clemson played better run defense in the second.

Clemson pass D is good too. It is the best pass D we will see but you are ok passing it? We aren’t scoring points by passing 60% of the time. Not giving one of the best players in the country more than 1/3 of the plays isn’t going to score you points. If we ran 60% and gave Tucker the ball 40% we would have faired better. We can agree to disagree.

 

[Bball44]

So we should keep running against the best run defense we're going to see when they expect us to run and are stuffing us? Isn't that what people were complaining about when we were stubbornly doing it against a different team (maybe FSU?) earlier in the season? We can't only hand it to Tucker. We just can't. It won't work.

Where were Snrader's runs? They were bottled up. Clemson didn't have to overcommit the way other teams have to stop Tucker, so Shrader didn't have the room he has had, and the players that were spying him were better players than the ones that tried to do in previous games. How many of his runs in previous games came off of called pass plays where he took off after not seeing guys open? He wasn't able to do that against Clemson because they're Clemson.

The WRs have to do what WRs are supposed to do against a defense like Clemson or the offense doesn't work. We're not imposing our will on them by running non-stop. We're not 1995 Nebraska.

Tucker got 22 carries. We didn't lose because he didn't run it enough. We lost because other players need to do better. Scholarship WRs need to catch the ball when it hits their hands.

Seems like this game may have been a loss no matter what decision was made on fourth and one. The two prior games should have went our way.

 

[bigmike]

Dino has this weird way of winning me over on Monday, and then completely losing me on Saturday.
And the next week the cycle repeats.

I really wish it would work with him. I like the guy so much. But I just don't feel particularly confident it will.

Nailed it.

 

[CousCuse]

2 of Shraders incompletions were actually very smart plays. The first one was a receiver was on a crossing route and Shrader went to throw the ball but then saw the linebacker hiding behind the LOS so he had to throw it past him or it would have been picked. The other was a pass along the sidelines on the left side and as he was in the throwing motion he saw that the safety had broke as was going for and INT amd probably a pick 6 if he had completed his motion and threw to the receiver, that throw ended up short in the turf. Both were smart, aware plays but looked like bad passes. I'm sure some of the other bad looking passes could be attributed to the kind of scheme the Clemson D was employing, not one where a QB can have much confidence against for sure.

 

[007]

2 of Shraders incompletions were actually very smart plays. The first one was a receiver was on a crossing route and Shrader went to throw the ball but then saw the linebacker hiding behind the LOS so he had to throw it past him or it would have been picked. The other was a pass along the sidelines on the left side and as he was in the throwing motion he saw that the safety had broke as was going for and INT amd probably a pick 6 if he had completed his motion and threw to the receiver, that throw ended up short in the turf. Both were smart, aware plays but looked like bad passes. I'm sure some of the other bad looking passes could be attributed to the kind of scheme the Clemson D was employing, not one where a QB can have much confidence against for sure.

Did you put a mouse in Shrader's helmet who was telling you what he was thinking? Perhaps I have underestimated you all this time, Maverick.

 

[CousCuse]

Did you put a mouse in Shrader's helmet who was telling you what he was thinking? Perhaps I have underestimated you all this time, Maverick.

I just noticed his reaction, I think he played an excellent game at QB considering the D he was playing against. Also, how many long TD passes has Clemson given up? Any? Was that the longest against them this season. The team did enough to win if DB would have went for the first down. He doesn't need analytics, he needs cajones.

 

[sufandu]

Clemson pass D is good too. It is the best pass D we will see but you are ok passing it? We aren’t scoring points by passing 60% of the time. Not giving one of the best players in the country more than 1/3 of the plays isn’t going to score you points. If we ran 60% and gave Tucker the ball 40% we would have faired better. We can agree to disagree.

Wow, you really are stubborn about this. We didn't want to pass it that much. Losing yardage with rush attempts on first down forced us to pass. Successful passing in the first half is what allowed Tucker to run more. In the second half poor first down running followed by poor pass execution prevented it. You don't get a lot of carries when you lose yards on first down and then go three and out.

Newsflash: Clemson's defense is elite. We didn't take advantage of the few opportunities they gave us.

 

[sufandu]

Seems like this game may have been a loss no matter what decision was made on fourth and one. The two prior games should have went our way.

I see the game as being more than the 4th and 1. We needed WRs to step up in the second half or even just execute the way they did in the first. We needed Shrader to not throw a pick right after Tucker's 54 yard run in the first half. Throw the ball away. I wish we had gone on 4th with some sort of option or misdirection pass like a TE throwback. It may have been the perfect opportunity for a flee flicker. A flee flicker doesn't have to be a deep ball. If it sucks the defense in because they know we want to give it to Tucker, it could be a 5 or 10 yard gain which gives us a new set of downs and better position for a FG. I had alimost no confidence Szmyt was going to make it from 48.

 

[CousCuse]

I see the game as being more than the 4th and 1. We needed WRs to step up in the second half or even just execute the way they did in the first. We needed Shrader to not throw a pick right after Tucker's 54 yard run in the first half. Throw the ball away. I wish we had gone on 4th with some sort of option or misdirection pass like a TE throwback. It may have been the perfect opportunity for a flee flicker. A flee flicker doesn't have to be a deep ball. If it sucks the defense in because they know we want to give it to Tucker, it could be a 5 or 10 yard gain which gives us a new set of downs and better position for a FG. I had alimost no confidence Szmyt was going to make it from 48.

If your a big underdog and you can get the ball deep inside the opponents territory and can win the game with one play, I think most coaches would take that.

 

[Cuseregular]

I see the game as being more than the 4th and 1. We needed WRs to step up in the second half or even just execute the way they did in the first. We needed Shrader to not throw a pick right after Tucker's 54 yard run in the first half. Throw the ball away. I wish we had gone on 4th with some sort of option or misdirection pass like a TE throwback. It may have been the perfect opportunity for a flee flicker. A flee flicker doesn't have to be a deep ball. If it sucks the defense in because they know we want to give it to Tucker, it could be a 5 or 10 yard gain which gives us a new set of downs and better position for a FG. I had alimost no confidence Szmyt was going to make it from 48.

now I'm saying this as a Shrader fan, that pick was his worst throw I've seen both here and on the MSU film.

On that film he's the exact same player with some real doozies but, he remains the guy who will at least give us a chance to not only be in every game but to win. But there will be the doozies remaining. The pick in particular was horrendous, looking at the replay #17 was streaking into the endzone, that's where the ball should have gone toward the back end of the end zone in a spot only our guy could have made a play or its incomplete or out of bounds.

Hopefully he sees this on the film and learns for Gods sake and makes the better decision.

 

[PhatOrange]

now I'm saying this as a Shrader fan, that pick was his worst throw I've seen both here and on the MSU film.

On that film he's the exact same player with some real doozies but, he remains the guy who will at least give us a chance to not only be in every game but to win. But there will be the doozies remaining. The pick in particular was horrendous, looking at the replay #17 was streaking into the endzone, that's where the ball should have gone toward the back end of the end zone in a spot only our guy could have made a play or its incomplete or out of bounds.

Hopefully he sees this on the film and learns for Gods sake and makes the better decision.

the decision to throw that pass was even worse than the actual pass. No idea what he was thinking when he threw it.

The pass I'd like back is the miss to Cooper on a slant at midfield. Cooper catches than and it's a likely TD. Instead he sailed it 10 feet over his head.

 

[sufandu]

now I'm saying this as a Shrader fan, that pick was his worst throw I've seen both here and on the MSU film.

On that film he's the exact same player with some real doozies but, he remains the guy who will at least give us a chance to not only be in every game but to win. But there will be the doozies remaining. The pick in particular was horrendous, looking at the replay #17 was streaking into the endzone, that's where the ball should have gone toward the back end of the end zone in a spot only our guy could have made a play or its incomplete or out of bounds.

Hopefully he sees this on the film and learns for Gods sake and makes the better decision.

I'm right there with you. He makes plays, so I'm willing to take the good with the bad.

 

[JeremyCuse]

They made adjustments in the second half. You don't think Venebles is going to adjust?

Shrader didn't choose not to run. On the plays against other teams where he made guys miss and busted a run, he wasn't making Clemson guys miss and was throwing the ball away. The plays weren't there to be made on the ground against Clemson the way they had been previously.

I didn't advocate for taking the ball out of Tucker's hands. If he doesn't lose yards on the first down runs, he gets more carries. You mentioned earlier you still think 2nd and 9 is a running down. What about 2 and 12 or 2nd and 10 or 1st and 15?

Tucker got 93 of his yards on two carries in the first half. He had opportunities for those long runs because he was also getting 4 yard gains and 7 yard gains and 8 gains. And Shrader was completing passes to keep drives going and keep Clemson's defense honest. Tucker had his 54 yard run on the first play of a drive. His 39 yard run came on play 9 of a 10 play drive that included 3 pass completions that picked up first downs and smaller runs for positive gains that kept us on schedule and made Clemson's defense play honest. The long run doesn't happen without the pass completions or the smaller positive gains. And neither of those were happening in the second half.

Look at the play by play on espn.com. We didn't just stop giving Tucker the ball in the second. The passing game executed better in the first half and Clemson played better run defense in the second.

This is spot on, I don't care whose in the backfield, Clemson was completely selling out against the run and running Tucker over and over wasn't going to do anything. We had to have some semblance of a passing game and Shrader missed plenty of throws and our WR's dropped 3-4 passes. At some point SU is going to have to pass the ball, Tucker isn't Derrick Henry, he's not going to break massive runs against 8+ in the box against the top end of D1.

 

[upperdeck]

“Makeable” sure but 20% isn’t great odds. And if you do get first down and pick up another 10 yards an even better chance of hitting field goal.

If Dino thought we had momentum go for it on 4th. I don’t understand the thinking that we had momentum so we were going to go for the tie

so you want to go for it on 4th and then run again to gain more yds for a shorter kick and then hope to get the clock stopped again. Cause if you make first down and throw the way we throw now its a danger thing and we lost the game on that throw earlier in the game. and how much are we talking 2-3 yds closer after a sneak and a run unless we the play and break one and they play working most all game was one that has a high chance to lose yds too..

 

[Entropic]

the decision to throw that pass was even worse than the actual pass. No idea what he was thinking when he threw it.

The pass I'd like back is the miss to Cooper on a slant at midfield. Cooper catches than and it's a likely TD. Instead he sailed it 10 feet over his head.

He needed to find an open lane to throw it. It was high because he had to get it over the defender at the line. If you watch the replay the defender jumped up in the throwing lane. He should have took a beat and threw it after he cleared the lane.

Yes he has missed several throws but that one is being lumped in as a bad throw with the dirt balls but it was different. Those were missed that one was high for a reason. A reason he should learn from. Pros miss those throws as well and they have balls batted down.

 

[721Comstock]

He needed to find an open lane to throw it. It was high because he had to get it over the defender at the line. If you watch the replay the defender jumped up in the throwing lane. He should have took a beat and threw it after he cleared the lane.

Pump fake, baby!!

OK - pass fake.
Woulda been $ there tho.

 

[FrancoPizza]

The pass I'd like back is the miss to Cooper on a slant at midfield. Cooper catches than and it's a likely TD. Instead he sailed it 10 feet over his head.

That was a killer. GS needs to throw 10,000 slants in the off-season.

 

[kcsu]

2 of Shraders incompletions were actually very smart plays. The first one was a receiver was on a crossing route and Shrader went to throw the ball but then saw the linebacker hiding behind the LOS so he had to throw it past him or it would have been picked. The other was a pass along the sidelines on the left side and as he was in the throwing motion he saw that the safety had broke as was going for and INT amd probably a pick 6 if he had completed his motion and threw to the receiver, that throw ended up short in the turf. Both were smart, aware plays but looked like bad passes. I'm sure some of the other bad looking passes could be attributed to the kind of scheme the Clemson D was employing, not one where a QB can have much confidence against for sure.

Shrader needs to spend the off season with a great qb coach. He will be much improved next year. He has what you cant teach.
Leadership
Vision
Pocket awareness
Running ability
Improvise
Size
Toughness.

He can work on the mechanics.

 

[CousCuse]

Shrader needs to spend the off season with a great qb coach. He will be much improved next year. He has what you cant teach.
Leadership
Vision
Pocket awareness
Running ability
Improvise
Size
Toughness.

He can work on the mechanics.

He needs a couple of guys that he is insinq with, right now I don't get that feeling.

 

[Chip]

That was a killer. GS needs to throw 10,000 slants in the off-season.

We actually scored our first TD on that drive, so in the end it wasn't as bad as it was in the moment.

The INT seemed like a panic when he didn't really need to.

He was better in the 4th quarter, but almost threw a bad pick there too.

The pass to Queeley on the OPI was maybe the best. Queeley wasn't even running a route, he was blocking the DB with his back turned to the QB.

Clemson is a hard game to judge. So much talent, there's a level of intimidation.

 

[Cusefan69]

the decision to throw that pass was even worse than the actual pass. No idea what he was thinking when he threw it.

The pass I'd like back is the miss to Cooper on a slant at midfield. Cooper catches than and it's a likely TD. Instead he sailed it 10 feet over his head.

Oh man that Cooper pass would have been good night Irene. Nobody would have been able to touch him. Damn.