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Do you agree with Daily Orange Ratings?

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Tomcat posted these ratings by the Daily Orange writers. I though they were harsh.
This is an interesting exercise at mid-season - am interested in what you think.

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Here's mine.
QB - D (biggest disappointment of the year)
RB - B (when they get holes they hit them)
WR - C (they have been open all over the field but their blocking is very poor)
TE - D (too many dropped passes and missed blocks)
OL - B- (ups and downs and I look for them to do better)
DL - B (better than I though they would do)
LB - B- (if they could only pass cover better)
Secondary C- (a lot of the problems are because of scheme but even so, they tackle poorly)
Returners (ugh)
P - A+ (just great)
K - C (wait till next year)
Team C (some anticipated improvement probably in this grade)
 
QB - D
RB - B+
WR - D
TE -
OL - A-
DL - B-
LB- C
Secondary - D
Returners - D-
P - A+
K - D+
Team - D+ underachieving hardcore.
 
Anyone ever listen to the WAER show after the game? I listened once this year and it was a far cry from what I remember back in the 80s and 90s. Bunch of kid whiners repeating the same negative thing over and over.
 
QB - C- (I give Hunt a D and the two Frosh a combined B-)
RB - B (they're not bad)
WR - B- (they struggle to get open sometimes and they have dropped some passes, but they have made some really nice catches too)
TE - C (not much to add here. They are mediocre)
OL - B (I expected more, but the OL has been slightly above average)
DL - C (they show "flashes" but I wish they got a better pass rush)
LB - C (they don't get in enough on blitzes, which leaves the DBs exposed a lot)
DB - C (the defensive schemes leave them on an island a lot, but they need to tackle better)
KR/PR - D (the only reason this isn't an is when PTG returns the kicks. Erv has absolutely NO vision whatsoever, otherwise, he wouldn't consistently run into the only spot that isn't open)
P - A- (Dixon has been fairly consistent, but he's not been as good as last year)
K - C (the change to Murphy brought this grade up, but KOs are still a problem)
Team - C (this team has been bad at times (Nova, MD, UofL) but it has had a tough schedule, having played the #2 and #5 teams in the past 3 weeks. I think good things are going to happen in the 2nd half)
 
Klinger had FSU with 69 in his prediction in the DO.

Trying to make waves.
 
I think anyone giving the RBs an should probably not be grading anything. I'll assume it's because he thought Morris and McFarlane would just take over, and since they didn't, rather than admit he was wrong, he'll just give the whole unit an . You could probably say the same for the other two giving them a C-.

Harsh on the WRs as well. From the TBus school of if West is playing the best then our WRs must be terrible. Never mind that whenever you throw deep to West, he just knows how to come down with the ball. That's a skill. But to them, since he didn't outrun everyone, he's terrible.
 
People may not like this but wth :
QB - D+ (Hunt gets an . Too early to tell with the freshmen but since Long has now thrown as many TD passes in one game as our whole team did in 5 games prior, I'll upgrade us past
RB - C (nothing I've seen says our backs are any better than any other middle of the road team. They are avg. C is avg.)
WR - D (pretty much every team we go up against has a #1 WR, we don't and it shows. Can anybody really say they'd prefer our group over Pitt's or BC's?
TE - C (not much to add here. They are mediocre)
OL - D (if you can't get enough surge to gain 1-2 yards at the goalline then you aren't doing your job)
DL\LB\DB - C (Doing enoug for us to win games, unfortunately it's only 1/3 of the equation)
KR/PR - C (Returns haven't been good but I can't recall any negative game changing moments from this group)
P - A- (Dixon has been fairly consistent, but he's not been as good as last year) - agree with this
K - C (the change to Murphy brought this grade up, but KOs are still a problem) - agree with this
Team - D+ (We expected to see improvements across the board this year, instead it feels like we're playing catch-up to last year)
 
People may not like this but wth :
QB - D+ (Hunt gets an . Too early to tell with the freshmen but since Long has now thrown as many TD passes in one game as our whole team did in 5 games prior, I'll upgrade us past
RB - C (nothing I've seen says our backs are any better than any other middle of the road team. They are avg. C is avg.)
WR - D (pretty much every team we go up against has a #1 WR, we don't and it shows. Can anybody really say they'd prefer our group over Pitt's or BC's?
TE - C (not much to add here. They are mediocre)
OL - D (if you can't get enough surge to gain 1-2 yards at the goalline then you aren't doing your job)
DL\LB\DB - C (Doing enoug for us to win games, unfortunately it's only 1/3 of the equation)
KR/PR - C (Returns haven't been good but I can't recall any negative game changing moments from this group)
P - A- (Dixon has been fairly consistent, but he's not been as good as last year) - agree with this
K - C (the change to Murphy brought this grade up, but KOs are still a problem) - agree with this
Team - D+ (We expected to see improvements across the board this year, instead it feels like we're playing catch-up to last year)

Are you grading our guys based on how they have performed, or how they compare to other teams?

Both PTG and AAM average 6 yards per carry so far. That's pretty good. I may not give them an A, but better than a C. I guess it depends on how much you blame them for not finding the end zone.
 
Are you grading our guys based on how they have performed, or how they compare to other teams?

Both PTG and AAM average 6 yards per carry so far. That's pretty good. I may not give them an A, but better than a C. I guess it depends on how much you blame them for not finding the end zone.

I'm comparing to what others are doing. I was graded alot on a curve in college and apply the same here. C is average. C is not meant to be disparaging. C means can hold their own when compared to others. According to ESPN AAM, Hunt, and Gulley are all avg. 6yds/carry and as such are all tied for 50th in the country which feels VERY average. Add in the red zone troubles and I can't give them a better grade.

EDIT: I'd like to add that to reach A status you'd need Mungro/Reyes in the backfield again. Carter/Bailey was probably a A-. Just to add perspective on where I'm coming from.
 
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QB - C- (hope with the new guys)
RB - B
WR - D
TE - D
OL - B
DL - C
LB- D
Secondary - D
Returners - C
P - A
K - C
Team - C (one win off my expected pace)
 
I'm comparing to what others are doing. I was graded alot on a curve in college and apply the same here. C is average. C is not meant to be disparaging. C means can hold their own when compared to others. According to ESPN AAM, Hunt, and Gulley are all avg. 6yds/carry and as such are all tied for 50th in the country which feels VERY average. Add in the red zone troubles and I can't give them a better grade.

EDIT: I'd like to add that to reach A status you'd need Mungro/Reyes in the backfield again. Carter/Bailey was probably a A-. Just to add perspective on where I'm coming from.

I didn't even realize 6.0 was 50th. That's crazy. In the past that used to be considered a great average. Now it appears to be an average average. To be honest, I looked at Pitt's RB as a benchmark and he was 5.6 YPC.

I do like how PTG and AAM are running the ball, we just need to keep featuring these 2 and solve this RZ curse.
 
My Lord, was this guy Klinger expecting us to run the table preseason? Don't understand how people can go through life with such negative outlooks...
 
Anyone ever listen to the WAER show after the game? I listened once this year and it was a far cry from what I remember back in the 80s and 90s. Bunch of kid whiners repeating the same negative thing over and over.
It's terrible. Just a few losers who don't care about the football program throwing players and coaches under the bus and offering zero commentary.
 
QB - D
RB - C
WR - D
TE - D
OL - B
DL - C
LB- D
Secondary - D
Returners - D
P - A
K -
Team - (It simplay hasn't been a passing effort thus far)
 
Tomcat posted these ratings by the Daily Orange writers. I though they were harsh.
This is an interesting exercise at mid-season - am interested in what you think.

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Here's mine.
QB - D (biggest disappointment of the year)
RB - B (when they get holes they hit them)
WR - C (they have been open all over the field but their blocking is very poor)
TE - D (too many dropped passes and missed blocks)
OL - B- (ups and downs and I look for them to do better)
DL - B (better than I though they would do)
LB - B- (if they could only pass cover better)
Secondary C- (a lot of the problems are because of scheme but even so, they tackle poorly)
Returners (ugh)
P - A+ (just great)
K - C (wait till next year)
Team C (some anticipated improvement probably in this grade)

I know that ultimately it comes down to scoring points, but the offense is averaging about 70 yards per game more than last year versus FBS teams (358.7 ypg vs. 430.8 ypg). With average production in the red zone and the fanbase is much happier right now. But is it really just a perception issue (of the real impact that it would have on the game results)?

Taking a look at the actual numbers in 2013 versus 2014 is interesting. Last year we scored touchdowns on 64.1% of our red zone drives, and field goals on 15.38% for a total scoring percentage of 79.49% in the red zone. The TD% was 48th in the country last year against FBS competition (above FBS average). This year our TD% is 123rd. This year we have scored touchdowns only 36.8% of the time, field goals 36.84% of the time, for an overall red zone scoring percentage of 73.68%.

So, overall if we met our TD% and FG% from last year, we would have scored 94 points in the red zone this year instead of 70 points in games against FBS competition. That's on average an extra 4.8 points per game over the 5 games vs FBS teams this season.

If we performed to last year's average numbers for red zone production, the red zone point impact by game would have been as follows:

CMU - 5 trips, 4 TD, 1 FG, 31 points (actual) -- 5 trips, 3.2 TD, 0.77 FG, 24.71 points -- delta -6.29 points
Maryland - 5 trips, 2 TD, 1 FG, 17 points (actual) -- 5 trips, 3.2 TD, 0.77 FG, 24.71 points -- delta 7.71 points
Notre Dame - 3 trips, 1 TD, 1 FG, 10 points (actual) -- 3 trips, 1.9 TD, 0.46 FG, 14.68 points -- delta 4.68 points
Louisville - 2 trips , 0 TD, 2 FG, 6 points (actual) -- 2 trips, 1.28 TD, 0.31 FG, 9.98 points -- delta 3.98 points
Florida State - 4 trips, 0 TD, 2 FG, 6 points (actual) -- 4 trips, 2.56 TD, 0.62 FG, 19.78 points - delta 13.78 points

Clearly, this is not the only factor at work here but just for arguments sake if we were only performing to last years standard then the Maryland and Florida State games would have been much tighter and might have had a different outcome. Based on this stat alone, it doesn't appear that the red zone performance really had much impact in the Notre Dame and Louisville games.

Obviously, if we ignore last years performance and expect that our FGs should have all been TDs, then those point differences change significantly. But that wouldn't be realistic. Over the last 5 seasons including this year the FBS red zone TD average is about 58-61%. Using those averages (since they are less than our performance last year) would decrease the point deltas even further (making this year's performance versus average performance even less of an impact on the point total).
 
The only possible grade at this point is "incomplete".
 
I'm comparing to what others are doing. I was graded alot on a curve in college and apply the same here. C is average. C is not meant to be disparaging. C means can hold their own when compared to others. According to ESPN AAM, Hunt, and Gulley are all avg. 6yds/carry and as such are all tied for 50th in the country which feels VERY average. Add in the red zone troubles and I can't give them a better grade.
50th feels average on a 1 to 100 scale, but there are 120 (+/-) teams and we have our top 3 tied for 50th. Taking the top 3 from each team, you're actually comparing our 3 at #50 to a pool of about 360 runners. So an average grade would be an aggregate ranking of about 180, putting our guys well above average and maybe into A territory for this stat. YPC has too many quirks to use as a sole grading basis though, so other factors would result in a downgrade.
 
50th feels average on a 1 to 100 scale, but there are 120 (+/-) teams and we have our top 3 tied for 50th. Taking the top 3 from each team, you're actually comparing our 3 at #50 to a pool of about 360 runners. So an average grade would be an aggregate ranking of about 180, putting our guys well above average and maybe into A territory for this stat. YPC has too many quirks to use as a sole grading basis though, so other factors would result in a downgrade.
Something else to think about is there's 5 qb's in there, and 27 non power 5 players in that 50 as well. Now I'm not saying don't include them, but it's something to consider. Also as long as a first down is still 10 yds, 6.0/carry is very good no matter how you look at it. Now scoring, that's a whole other problem...
 

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