Doug Marrone: 'I'm struggling' to deal with anxiety of 4-8 record

[Millhouse]

No, I agree with you that it was a mistake in hindsight. But I'd stop well short of saying incredibly stupid, laughable, or brainless. Tuel looked good in his first preseason game and got some pub for it. And aside from that horrid pick 6 he looked decent against the Chiefs. He's funny looking but not nearly as bad as people make him out to be.

aside from that mrs lincoln how was the play?

tuel has a 45 qb rating

 

[CusefanATL]

I really think that this 2013 Syracuse team would have been 9-3 or 8-4 had Marrone stayed.

That is not a knock on HCSS and his staff.

The truth is that anytime there is such a drastic change in leadership there are going to be quite a few growing pains for all involved including fans.

Doug won't be going to the playoffs and that has to hurt. I think he and his staff have done a wonderful job of changing the culture in Buffalo. They had a lot of close games that could have gone the other way and they also suffered injuries to key players.

I don't wish any bad on him, in fact with such a Syracuse connection I'm rooting for them to succeed.

Doug Marrone: 'I'm struggling' to deal with anxiety of 4-8 record

Close losses

23-21 New England

27-24 Cincinnati

34-31 Atlanta

They also lost to the Jets by a touchdown

They could be 7-5 or 8-4 but conversely they could have been 1-11 as they had close wins against Carolina (24-23) Baltimore (23-20) and the Dolphins (23-21)

All-in-all I think he has done a good job and I foresee a bright future for him and his staff

The atlanta loss was an timer loss for the record books. atlanta didnt want to win, but buffalo literally handed it to them on a silver platter 3 different times under 2 min to go.

• 3rd and goal from the 15 Falcons down 7, need a TD... PI in the endzone leads to TD a play later.
• stevie johnson gets it into easy FG range with about 20 seconds to... ball knocked out from behind.
• In OT, chandler has a nice catch and run to about midfield and the ball gets knocked out from behind. atl recovers and hits fg

The bills could have been in a position to make wild card and more importantly the falcons could have been 1 step closer to the #1 pick.

 

[orangenirvana]

aside from that mrs lincoln how was the play?

tuel has a 45 qb rating

LOL - touché

 

[orangenirvana]

The atlanta loss was an timer loss for the record books. atlanta didnt want to win, but buffalo literally handed it to them on a silver platter 3 different times under 2 min to go.

• 3rd and goal from the 15 Falcons down 7, need a TD... PI in the endzone leads to TD a play later.
• stevie johnson gets it into easy FG range with about 20 seconds to... ball knocked out from behind.
• In OT, chandler has a nice catch and run to about midfield and the ball gets knocked out from behind. atl recovers and hits fg

The bills could have been in a position to make wild card and more importantly the falcons could have been 1 step closer to the #1 pick.

Silly to say the Falcons didn't want to win. It's obvious the players wanted to win, otherwise they would have given up after being down 14 early.

 

[CusefanATL]

Silly to say the Falcons didn't want to win. It's obvious the players wanted to win, otherwise they would have given up after being down 14 early.

it was tongue in cheek.

but seriously... we didnt want to win.

 

[Mr Peabody]

I liked the EJ Manuel pick but between his injuries and ultra conservative play calling (or is it EJ checking down?) we don't know what we have at QB yet. With any glimmer of hope for the playoffs now gone, the Bills need to take the reins off and see what he can do. Still a lot of question marks on this team to declare it a playoff team next year. DB's, WR's, TE and OL depth all need improvement.

 

[PhatOrange]

boo hoo marrone.

 

[Chip]

In the NFL, the only way you change culture positively is getting wins.

He has not changed culture in Buffalo. If the Bills win out, that would say a lot, however.

Sunday was a big hiccup for the Bills, so I'm not surprised Marrone is hyperventilating over it. They had Atlanta, TB, Jax, Dolphins, Pats to end the season. Gave them a realistic shot at 4-1 finish, and 8-8 season, which as a Bills fan would have to be a thrilling year 1. The Falcons loss could really derail this. Now throw in the large # of QBs in this year's draft and a potential good draft pick, what do you do? If you pick one of these guys, are you admitting that EJ was a mistake and where else could you have helped yourself with that pick.

 

[orangenirvana]

Sunday was a big hiccup for the Bills, so I'm not surprised Marrone is hyperventilating over it. They had Atlanta, TB, Jax, Dolphins, Pats to end the season. Gave them a realistic shot at 4-1 finish, and 8-8 season, which as a Bills fan would have to be a thrilling year 1. The Falcons loss could really derail this. Now throw in the large # of QBs in this year's draft and a potential good draft pick, what do you do? If you pick one of these guys, are you admitting that EJ was a mistake and where else could you have helped yourself with that pick.

Here's one thing that I can absolutely guarantee: the Buffalo Bills will not be choosing a Quarterback within the first three rounds of next year's draft.

 

[orangepassion]

Alec is doing great in Houston - thanks for asking. Given the way the season has gone, we haven't talked much about the locker room stuff. He seems happy, doing everything he's supposed to be doing. Imagine he'll be in good shape to stay on the roster next season... I'd be surprised if there aren't some shakeups with the personnel after the season's over - but I've no inside info on that. Just like I avoided any inside info from the SU locker room as much as I could when he was there.

Any shot Alec stops by in the offseason to work out (Like Freeney) and possibly mentor some of our young Wr's?

 

[Millhouse]

Sunday was a big hiccup for the Bills, so I'm not surprised Marrone is hyperventilating over it. They had Atlanta, TB, Jax, Dolphins, Pats to end the season. Gave them a realistic shot at 4-1 finish, and 8-8 season, which as a Bills fan would have to be a thrilling year 1. The Falcons loss could really derail this. Now throw in the large # of QBs in this year's draft and a potential good draft pick, what do you do? If you pick one of these guys, are you admitting that EJ was a mistake and where else could you have helped yourself with that pick.

they won't draft qb but they should. he's the most inaccurate passer in the league. i think he knows it and settles too much. too many games where he looks like trent edwards

 

[WalnutPark]

As Bill Parcells once said, "You are what your record says you are."

There are no moral victories in the NFL.

The Bills organization seems to be head in the right direction though, which is the key.

 

[Chip]

they won't draft qb but they should. he's the most inaccurate passer in the league. i think he knows it and settles too much. too many games where he looks like trent edwards

Well, his job is riding on it. This isn't the safety net of SU, so he can't play the stubborn card, and can't assume he'd just get another NFL job because of his name. Makes this an interesting draft.

 

[Millhouse]

Well, his job is riding on it. This isn't the safety net of SU, so he can't play the stubborn card, and can't assume he'd just get another NFL job because of his name. Makes this an interesting draft.

he hasn't been bad enough for Whaley to give up on him. he can't throw and locks on receivers but he doesn't make backbreaking mistakes either.

 

[Tobias Funke]

As Bill Parcells once said, "You are what your record says you are."

There are no moral victories in the NFL.

The Bills organization seems to be head in the right direction though, which is the key.

I agree with the top part. curious as someone who has only see them play twice, what it is about them that says they are headed in the right direction? on paper they are at best going to match their record in the past two years.

 

[Millhouse]

I agree with the top part. curious as someone who has only see them play twice, what it is about them that says they are headed in the right direction? on paper they are at best going to match their record in the past two years.

tougher schedule, never get killed. their defense is miles better. yards differential better, points differential. gailey and marrone both lose 2 of 3, but gailey got killed more

marrone is better at white knuckling. the last few years the bills just went with high variance praying that fitzpatrick could miraculously throw through people like he did in glorious little stretch

Also Wannstedt stinks more than the backpack the half naked indiana fan was sitting on

 

[rundeal]

Any shot Alec stops by in the offseason to work out (Like Freeney) and possibly mentor some of our young Wr's?

Can almost guarantee he will. Know he was planning on spending a couple months up in the Cuse in the off season training - don't think he's had a change in plans.

 

[orangenirvana]

he hasn't been bad enough for Whaley to give up on him. he can't throw and locks on receivers but he doesn't make backbreaking mistakes either.

What makes you think he can't throw? You must have missed the Jets game. He locks on receivers more often than he should but that's what rookies do. You'll also see him make progressions. Do you subscribe to NFL's All-22? If not you should check out Jeremy White's write ups. Manuel has been much better than I thought he would be this season, especially considering his season was derailed by the knee injury.

 

[Millhouse]

What makes you think he can't throw? You must have missed the Jets game. He locks on receivers more often than he should but that's what rookies do. You'll also see him make progressions. Do you subscribe to NFL's All-22? If not you should check out Jeremy White's write ups.

i like jeremy white - SU alum and fan from auburn - but he is a total fan boy, he falls in love so easily. losman, grigorenko, afinogenov, manuel, you name it. i'm surprised he's still not arguing for losman

http://blogs.buffalonews.com/press-...ows-ej-manuel-nfls-least-accurate-passer.html

even if you look at conventional completion %, his is low and they don't ask him to make hard throws. lousy completion percentage and lousy yards per attempt. he doesn't throw picks which saves him from getting drafted over, I think. everyone below him in passer rating throws more picks

i wanted the bills to draft him, it's not like i want to find something wrong with him. he is just too erratic. qbs are so important, i don't care about wasting a high draft pick if manuel turns out to be good. i just want to increase the odds of having someone anyone good throwing the ball for them.

 

[orangenirvana]

i like jeremy white - SU alum and fan from auburn - but he is a total fan boy, he falls in love so easily. losman, grigorenko, afinogenov, manuel, you name it. i'm surprised he's still not arguing for losman

http://blogs.buffalonews.com/press-...ows-ej-manuel-nfls-least-accurate-passer.html

even if you look at conventional completion %, his is low and they don't ask him to make hard throws. lousy completion percentage and lousy yards per attempt. he doesn't throw picks which saves him from getting drafted over, I think. everyone below him in passer rating throws more picks

i wanted the bills to draft him, it's not like i want to find something wrong with him. he is just too erratic.

PFF cherry picks what they count and what they decide not to. Like why would batted passes not be considered an incompletion? That's biased toward short QB's and/or those who lack pocket awareness.

Manuel already has a better completion percentage and passer rating than Andrew Luck. If he regresses next season then that's one thing. But he was supposed to be raw coming out.

Considering his physical characteristics and character this really should be the worst season he'll ever have. And I think it's strange that any Bills fan would want to already give up on him considering the flashes that he's shown. If it weren't for Stevie Johnson's fumble he's led two game-winning drives in 8 games. He needs more help from his teammates. What they need to do (and will do) is develop him and build around him.

 

[Millhouse]

PFF cherry picks what they count and what they decide not to. Like why would batted passes not be considered an incompletion? That's biased toward short QB's and/or those who lack pocket awareness.

Manuel already has a better completion percentage and passer rating than Andrew Luck. If he regresses next season then that's one thing. But he was supposed to be raw coming out.

Considering his physical characteristics and character this really should be the worst season he'll ever have. And I think it's strange that any Bills fan would want to already give up on him considering the flashes that he's shown. If it weren't for Stevie Johnson's fumble he's led two game-winning drives in 8 games. He needs more help from his teammates. What they need to do (and will do) is develop him and build around him.

he's 30th in completion percentage and 34th in yards per attempt. if that's not inaccurate, I don't know what is.

I think Manuel and Luck having similar numbers says something about Luck who is just not as good as everyone thought he'd be . that stanford offense might have let him down in preparing for the nfl.

 

[orangenirvana]

he's 30th in completion percentage and 34th in yards per attempt. if that's not inaccurate, I don't know what is.

I think Manuel and Luck having similar numbers says something about Luck who is just not as good as everyone thought he'd be . that stanford offense might have let him down in preparing for the nfl.

Well then it's a good thing that the Bills will be choosing before the Colts so they can get their new QB before the Colts do.

 

[OttoMets]

Any shot Alec stops by in the offseason to work out (Like Freeney) and possibly mentor some of our young Wr's?

Or at least mentor our offensive coordinator?

 

[Millhouse]

PFF cherry picks what they count and what they decide not to. Like why would batted passes not be considered an incompletion? That's biased toward short QB's and/or those who lack pocket awareness.

Manuel already has a better completion percentage and passer rating than Andrew Luck. If he regresses next season then that's one thing. But he was supposed to be raw coming out.

Considering his physical characteristics and character this really should be the worst season he'll ever have. And I think it's strange that any Bills fan would want to already give up on him considering the flashes that he's shown. If it weren't for Stevie Johnson's fumble he's led two game-winning drives in 8 games. He needs more help from his teammates. What they need to do (and will do) is develop him and build around him.

also, if you're measuring accuracy, you'll want to throw out the passes that are knocked down because there's no way of knowing whether the pass would hit its target.

we already have stats for measuring incompletions and batted balls, that's easy. they're trying to figure out whether qbs have accurate arms

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I like Doug and the staff he brought with him but he has talent on that team and he has done a very subpar job this year. Below average. The Bills have some parts and pieces, the D is better but what he went with at QB is on him. Next year will be a big one for Marrone and EJ. I think EJ will be an average QB, that was all there was in last years draft. Which makes me think they should have drafted differently, I think he probably got the best qb available but there wasn't much available. Should have waited a year if he was going into a hole all year on offense

I hate to say it but Fitz has looked better in a back up role than anything Buffalo has put out there, at least for this year