Doug Marrone's QB

[CU44SE]

This is not to be a shot at Ryan Nassib, but he is not Doug Marrone's QB. In the NFL, one of the first things a new coach and GM will do is look to get there future QB. Since Marrone has been at SU he has had Greg Paulus (hadnt played in 4 years) and Nassib (inherited from G-Rob). The 2013 season will be the first time he can take a QB he recruited for the style of offense that he wants to run. Who knows how much the offense will change from the previous 3 years, but I believe next years offense will be much different from what we have been seeing. The next QB was recruited for the offense Marrone has in mind, he will no longer have to fit the offense to the QB. Again I'm not saying Nassib has been bad (he has played pretty well, especially with the offensive line troubles). I just do not believe that Nassib has the abilities needed to run the offense that Marrone wants to run.

 

[rrlbees]

While I understand what you are saying, Doug has brought in QB"s each year. None have yet beat him out.

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[OrangePA]

It will be interesting to see exactly what offense Coach Marrone wants to run.

Apparently this year's offense will have the QB running the ball more often - a distinct change from his first three years.

And it seems that guys like Terrell Hunt, John Kinder, Charlie Loeb, and Zach Allen are different kinds of QBs so they offer little clue as to what his desired style is.

 

[SUinNYC]

If you ask me, Hunt in 2013. I base that on nothing more than what I've read on this board. But if Allen gets here for spring semester 2013 like he says, it gives him a very good shot at the job too.

 

[RMH44]

It will be interesting to see exactly what offense Coach Marrone wants to run.

Apparently this year's offense will have t QB running the ball more often - a distinct change from his first three years.

And it seems that guys like Terrell Hunt, John Kinder, Charlie Loeb, and Zach Allen are different kinds of QBs so they offer little clue as to what his desired style is.

Did you forget Broyld?

 

[SUinNYC]

Did you forget Broyld?

These are very good problems we're starting to have.

 

[billsin01]

It will be interesting to see exactly what offense Coach Marrone wants to run.

Apparently this year's offense will have t QB running the ball more often - a distinct change from his first three years.

I will believe this when I see it. I'm not trying to be debbie downer but I just don't know how many teams have seen radically different offenses with the same head coach, coordinator and full offensive staff. I'm not saying it won't change, I suppose, merely that I think radical change is unlikely.

 

[billsin01]

This is not to be a shot at Ryan Nassib, but he is not Doug Marrone's QB. In the NFL, one of the first things a new coach and GM will do is look to get there future QB. Since Marrone has been at SU he has had Greg Paulus (hadnt played in 4 years) and Nassib (inherited from G-Rob). The 2013 season will be the first time he can take a QB he recruited for the style of offense that he wants to run. Who knows how much the offense will change from the previous 3 years, but I believe next years offense will be much different from what we have been seeing. The next QB was recruited for the offense Marrone has in mind, he will no longer have to fit the offense to the QB. Again I'm not saying Nassib has been bad (he has played pretty well, especially with the offensive line troubles). I just do not believe that Nassib has the abilities needed to run the offense that Marrone wants to run.

I don't know -- the crazy thing here is that if this team has a solid offensive line the last two years to go along with solid WR play people may be talking about Nassib as a guy who'd won 16-17 games in the last two seasons and was poised to be a key factor in us breaking through this season. My only point being I think Nassib is easy to point out as the thing holding this offense back. The real answer, though it's perhaps a bit more complex, is that this whole offense has been a cluster- outside of RB play for the past two years. Play-calling, execution, line play, WR play, health, depth, talent, offensive scheme -- I'm not sure we've excelled in any of those areas.

 

[kingottoiii]

While I understand what you are saying, Doug has brought in QB"s each year. None have yet beat him out.

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Not only that but the types of QBs Marrone has brought in have all been different. If they all had the same style then I could see the possibility.

 

[phil77]

No inside info just a gut feeling. But Allen will start from the first day he gets here and will have a great 3 year career for Syracuse and will leave after his junior year.

 

[OrangePA]

Did you forget Broyld?

I did.

Sorry.

 

[RMH44]

I did.

Sorry.

I thought maybe you're projecting him at another position.

 

[OrangePA]

I thought maybe you're projecting him at another position.

I guess that's the conventional wisdom.

I would love to see him win the job at QB.

For me it is always a good idea to have your best athlete touching the ball every play.

 

[Chip]

This is not to be a shot at Ryan Nassib, but he is not Doug Marrone's QB. In the NFL, one of the first things a new coach and GM will do is look to get there future QB. Since Marrone has been at SU he has had Greg Paulus (hadnt played in 4 years) and Nassib (inherited from G-Rob). The 2013 season will be the first time he can take a QB he recruited for the style of offense that he wants to run. Who knows how much the offense will change from the previous 3 years, but I believe next years offense will be much different from what we have been seeing. The next QB was recruited for the offense Marrone has in mind, he will no longer have to fit the offense to the QB. Again I'm not saying Nassib has been bad (he has played pretty well, especially with the offensive line troubles). I just do not believe that Nassib has the abilities needed to run the offense that Marrone wants to run.

Nice theory, but why keep playing Nassib then and keep spending all this time having every other position learn this offense we are running? Just so we can switch it later?

I think the fact that Nassib continues to play, and that none of the other QBs seem close, would indicate that the immediate next two of Loeb and Kinder will not be in the future plans, as many insiders here have suggested. We hold out hope for Hunt, but his shot to his own foot might end up derailing him. So we're moving onto the next group, Broyld or next year's recruits.

For SU fans, the good news, is that we're used to GenerationNext when it comes to our QBs. We've had oh, since, 1999 to adjust to this.

 

[RF2044]

I don't know -- the crazy thing here is that if this team has a solid offensive line the last two years to go along with solid WR play people may be talking about Nassib as a guy who'd won 16-17 games in the last two seasons and was poised to be a key factor in us breaking through this season. My only point being I think Nassib is easy to point out as the thing holding this offense back. The real answer, though it's perhaps a bit more complex, is that this whole offense has been a cluster- outside of RB play for the past two years. Play-calling, execution, line play, WR play, health, depth, talent, offensive scheme -- I'm not sure we've excelled in any of those areas.

Agree 100%.

 

[Scooch]

Nice theory, but why keep playing Nassib then and keep spending all this time having every other position learn this offense we are running? Just so we can switch it later?

I think the fact that Nassib continues to play, and that none of the other QBs seem close, would indicate that the immediate next two of Loeb and Kinder will not be in the future plans, as many insiders here have suggested. We hold out hope for Hunt, but his shot to his own foot might end up derailing him. So we're moving onto the next group, Broyld or next year's recruits.

For SU fans, the good news, is that we're used to GenerationNext when it comes to our QBs. We've had oh, since, 1999 to adjust to this.

Yeah, I've abandoned all hope when it comes to the "just wait 'til the REAL offense gets implemented" business. Our offense is our offense, I just suspect Marrone is trying to get better athletes to play in it, and presumably unlock a few more options that we're incapable of using now.

The QB saga has been so strange. Marrone's had 4 recruiting classes, although I'm certainly going to give him a mulligan on the '09 class since he was just hired. Still, the kids he brought in in '10 and '11 are Sophmores and Redshirt Freshmen now. We've had a slew of QBs start in those years, and I'm not talking about McNabb and Graves, I'm talking Nunes, Patterson, Anderson and Robinson types. Seems so weird to me that none of these kids can push Nassib in the slightest.

 

[RF2044]

Yeah, I've abandoned all hope when it comes to the "just wait 'til the REAL offense gets implemented" business. Our offense is our offense, I just suspect Marrone is trying to get better athletes to play in it, and presumably unlock a few more options that we're incapable of using now.

The QB saga has been so strange. Marrone's had 4 recruiting classes, although I'm certainly going to give him a mulligan on the '09 class since he was just hired. Still, the kids he brought in in '10 and '11 are Sophmores and Redshirt Freshmen now. We've had a slew of QBs start in those years, and I'm not talking about McNabb and Graves, I'm talking Nunes, Patterson, Anderson and Robinson types. Seems so weird to me that none of these kids can push Nassib in the slightest.

Premature assessment. Loeb doesn't have the chops, but has filled an important role on special teams. Kinder was a developmental prospect who didn't pan out as a QB. Miller was a highly rated prospect who was injured early on and then got booted.

Hunt might push Nassib this year--remains to be seen. Broyld--too early to tell. Allen / Wilson look like solid prospects.

Ultimately, we need one of these guys to pan out--doesn't matter to me who it is.

 

[Scooch]

Premature assessment. Loeb doesn't have the chops, but has filled an important role on special teams. Kinder was a developmental prospect who didn't pan out as a QB. Miller was a highly rated prospect who was injured early on and then got booted.

Hunt might push Nassib this year--remains to be seen. Broyld--too early to tell. Allen / Wilson look like solid prospects.

Ultimately, we need one of these guys to pan out--doesn't matter to me who it is.

I'm not a recruiting guy so I really have no idea how highly regarded any of these kids were when we brought them in. But is it really premature to say that it's surprising that we seemingly have no one in the Jr/So/RF classes that can even get in the conversation to take over for Nassib? I still don't know what I think of Nassib, some games I think he's decent, others I think he's lousy, but he's certainly no superstar where's its beyond comprehension that he lose his job, right?

 

[KaiserUEO]

This is not to be a shot at Ryan Nassib, but he is not Doug Marrone's QB. In the NFL, one of the first things a new coach and GM will do is look to get there future QB. Since Marrone has been at SU he has had Greg Paulus (hadnt played in 4 years) and Nassib (inherited from G-Rob). The 2013 season will be the first time he can take a QB he recruited for the style of offense that he wants to run. Who knows how much the offense will change from the previous 3 years, but I believe next years offense will be much different from what we have been seeing. The next QB was recruited for the offense Marrone has in mind, he will no longer have to fit the offense to the QB. Again I'm not saying Nassib has been bad (he has played pretty well, especially with the offensive line troubles). I just do not believe that Nassib has the abilities needed to run the offense that Marrone wants to run.

no its not a shot at Nassib, its a shot at Marrone.

none of the clowns he brought in, can beat out the clown grobbycakes brought it.

thats a problem.

 

[RF2044]

I'm not a recruiting guy so I really have no idea how highly regarded any of these kids were when we brought them in. But is it really premature to say that it's surprising that we seemingly have no one in the Jr/So/RF classes that can even get in the conversation to take over for Nassib? I still don't know what I think of Nassib, some games I think he's decent, others I think he's lousy, but he's certainly no superstar where's its beyond comprehension that he lose his job, right?

It's premature to criticize him for not bringing anyone in who can challenge Nassib until we see what Hunt and Broyld can do. You've already given Marrone a pass above on the QB he brought in with the first class [the junior]. Kinder seemed like a good gamble but failed to develop, and who knows whether Miller would have panned out--we'll never know now [there's the sophomores].

But if Hunt works into the game plan and positions himself to take over next season, or Broyld sees the field and becomes the dynamic playmaker some think he is, the point you're making would be invalidated.

If Hunt isn't up to the task, if Broyld moves to another position, etc. now only will I be with you 100%, but we'll be in big trouble next year with no obvious heir apparent at QB.

 

[billsin01]

I'm not a recruiting guy so I really have no idea how highly regarded any of these kids were when we brought them in. But is it really premature to say that it's surprising that we seemingly have no one in the Jr/So/RF classes that can even get in the conversation to take over for Nassib? I still don't know what I think of Nassib, some games I think he's decent, others I think he's lousy, but he's certainly no superstar where's its beyond comprehension that he lose his job, right?

I think sometimes people (not RF per say, just generally "people") tend to treat criticism as saying someone sucks. I don't -- I think you everyone fits in somewhere on a continuum between GRob and Vince Lombardi and John Wooden. But, to the point, I'd agree that the QB recruiting has been disappointing. Finding a QB in the first class was a needle in a hay stack. Miller/Kinder have been disappointing and then there is the Hunt thing. I'd say it's fair to say QB recruiting hasn't been a strong point thus far. That said, who knows? Maybe Hunt/Broyld/Allen/the other recruit who's name I can't remember end up being the real deal. I personally don't think Nassib is anywhere near as bad as most here think he is -- which is another issue. Hard to unseat an intelligent, decently talented, relatively productive veteran who doesn't make turn the ball over very often.

 

[Scooch]

I think sometimes people (not RF per say, just generally "people") tend to treat criticism as saying someone sucks. I don't -- I think you everyone fits in somewhere on a continuum between GRob and Vince Lombardi and John Wooden. But, to the point, I'd agree that the QB recruiting has been disappointing. Finding a QB in the first class was a needle in a hay stack. Miller/Kinder have been disappointing and then there is the Hunt thing. I'd say it's fair to say QB recruiting hasn't been a strong point thus far. That said, who knows? Maybe Hunt/Broyld/Allen/the other recruit who's name I can't remember end up being the real deal. I personally don't think Nassib is anywhere near as bad as most here think he is -- which is another issue. Hard to unseat an intelligent, decently talented, relatively productive veteran who doesn't make turn the ball over very often.

Yeah, I really wasn't trying to croak Marrone, it's a fact that he has had 3 full classes to recruit QBs and at this point none of them are on track to even remotely challenge the guy he inherited, let alone actually unseat him.

I mean I get it, happens, injuries happen, kids don't pan out, our recruiting wasn't exactly strong to begin with, etc. And I get the sense from the tone here the past month or two that things are picking up, so that's great.

And it get it with Nassib, his numbers are decent, and there are times when he looks good. I tend to agree with you that with a better supporting cast he'd be fine. But he's not a dynamic playmaker so without said cast he gets into trouble.

 

[CU44SE]

I understand everyone saying Marrone has gotten QB's and they havent been able to unseat Nassib. My counter is that Marrone has had 3 full seasons to recruit and that doesnt even count trying to re-establish recruiting connections. G-Rob destroyed this program (different subject) but that destroyed all the relationships Syracuse had established in the 90's. Marrone is finely starting to get the recruiting going. You may not like the guys we are getting now but by just looking at the offers list for each kid it is stunning how much it has changed in just these 3 years. His first couple years we were continuously competing with MAC teams like Akron for every recruit. Someone just posted a thread about each recruits offers and they are good teams. We are no longer competing with the lower Division 1 teams, we are competing with middle of the pack ACC and Big 12 teams. In 2 years if we still haven't found a QB or competing at the level we need to be I will start to get worried. But until that time I refuse to lose hope. The team was one of the 10 worst teams in the Nation (G-Rob era) when Marrone took over. I believe he will find his QB (Hunt, Allen, Wilson, Broyld, or someone else) soon. Maybe I'm to optimistic but I feel change, and I like it.

 

[ImperialOrange]

I still don't know what I think of Nassib, some games I think he's decent, others I think he's lousy, but he's certainly no superstar

Debatable. He's certainly had some lousy games (Rutgers last year) but how good he's looked seems directly tied to how well the OLine is doing in front of him. He looked like a potential star last year vs Rhode Island (shocking I know), and WVU (24-32 229 yards 4 td's 0 int).

 

[JackBauer44]

I don't understand why people here bitch about Nassib so much. The kid is going to get freaking drafted next year, yet people here believe he shouldn't even be throwing a football. I don't understand the hate. I can't think of any other player in recent memory who takes as much unfair treatment by fans than Nassib.