Doug Stands behind place kicker?????

[Pyle]

At some point you have to look past practice Doug. There are those who excel on gameday and those who don't. We need winners on the field, not those who practice well. I don't care how good somebody is in practice with nothing on the line. We need people on the field who can get it done during a game. We saw the same nonsense with Sales 2 years ago, Doug wouldn't play him because of practice issues. Fact is he was still the best WR on the team last year when it came time to play for real. Now it's the opposite, he keeps sending Krautman out there even though the kid is less than 60% on the year after 9 games. He is 40% from 40+. This is infuriating. Lichtenstein can't be this bad.

 

[mountaincuse]

He could stand right in front of him too - couldn't get hit with a kick there either.

 

[All4SU]

At some point you have to look past practice Doug. There are those who excel on gameday and those who don't. We need winners on the field, not those who practice well. I don't care how good somebody is in practice with nothing on the line. We need people on the field who can get it done during a game. We saw the same nonsense with Sales 2 years ago, Doug wouldn't play him because of practice issues. Fact is he was still the best WR on the team last year when it came time to play for real. Now it's the opposite, he keeps sending Krautman out there even though the kid is less than 60% on the year after 9 games. He is 40% from 40+. This is infuriating. Lichtenstein can't be this bad.

How do you know that Krautman is not the best fg kicker on the team? I take it you have been at the practices?

You need to ask yourself, "why would HCDM give a show of support to a good fg kicker who has been struggling?" Unless outthink HCDM is an imbecile, or that he wants to lose games, there is an obvious reason why he would do that. I suggest Occam's Razor applies here.

 

[dollarbill44]

Krautman was a very reliable kicker last year and it's not like he is shanking his kicks - he's just plain missing them. He has the physical tools to be a very good kicker. It's not effort, it's mental. What do you want Marrone to say?

 

[TexanMark]

The main issue isn't the kicker...the team has issues on the line.

BTW, we need a full time special teams coach.

 

[Pyle]

How do you know that Krautman is not the best fg kicker on the team? I take it you have been at the practices?

You need to ask yourself, "why would HCDM give a show of support to a good fg kicker who has been struggling?" Unless outthink HCDM is an imbecile, or that he wants to lose games, there is an obvious reason why he would do that. I suggest Occam's Razor applies here.

Want to apply the Razor? Ok by me. What is more likely? That Doug is following the same script he's followed since day 1, which is those who practice best play on Saturday? Or that BOTH Lichtenstein and Krautman have regressed so far that neither one is capable of better than 60%? I'm going with the first choice. It's far more logical.

 

[Pyle]

Krautman was a very reliable kicker last year and it's not like he is shanking his kicks - he's just plain missing them. He has the physical tools to be a very good kicker. It's not effort, it's mental. What do you want Marrone to say?

Alot of guys at the D1 level have the physical tools to be very good, or else they wouldn't be here. You have to be mentally tough as well as physically able. Marrone claims he bounces right back, but he doesn't. 10 for 18 clearly says he doesn't. Doug is coddling him, plain and simple.

It's the same scenario with the penalties, coddling. If you jumped offsides on my varsity team then you sat on the bench for a series. Guess what? We didn't jump offsides very much. Actions speak louder than words, I don't care if they get their arse chewed out, it isn't working.

Doug coddles his players.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I've been wondering about Lichty too, actually.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

At some point you have to look past practice Doug. There are those who excel on gameday and those who don't. We need winners on the field, not those who practice well. I don't care how good somebody is in practice with nothing on the line. We need people on the field who can get it done during a game. We saw the same nonsense with Sales 2 years ago, Doug wouldn't play him because of practice issues. Fact is he was still the best WR on the team last year when it came time to play for real. Now it's the opposite, he keeps sending Krautman out there even though the kid is less than 60% on the year after 9 games. He is 40% from 40+. This is infuriating. Lichtenstein can't be this bad.

Well, I think it was the right thing to say for public consumption. But, I hope he has the back-ups kicking like mad this week. If not, then it would be another example of meathead coaching. Let's take Sales (again). I could care less if all he does in practice is stand around picking his nose. Come game day, I want him in on 95% of offensive plays.

 

[billsin01]

Krautman was a very reliable kicker last year and it's not like he is shanking his kicks - he's just plain missing them. He has the physical tools to be a very good kicker. It's not effort, it's mental. What do you want Marrone to say?

Yeah, I think kicking is very much mental and you're much better off saying the right things, "sticking with your guy" but just being careful about how you use him. So, for example, maybe don't kick a 40+ yarder in the rain on a 4th-and-3 in plus territory when you're down 11.

 

[su fever]

Alot of guys at the D1 level have the physical tools to be very good, or else they wouldn't be here. You have to be mentally tough as well as physically able. Marrone claims he bounces right back, but he doesn't. 10 for 18 clearly says he doesn't. Doug is coddling him, plain and simple.

It's the same scenario with the penalties, coddling. If you jumped offsides on my varsity team then you sat on the bench for a series. Guess what? We didn't jump offsides very much. Actions speak louder than words, I don't care if they get their arse chewed out, it isn't working.

Doug coddles his players.

First off the Kicker is 10 for 16 since 2 were blocked due to line breakdowns. Second Krautman has proven himself already with games on the line-Has 4 game winners and games where his field goals were the difference like West Virginia. Since his phenominal freshman year now every miss is magnified-It's tough converting kicks immediately after a blocked kick plain and simple and incidentally has had 6 blocked since last year. Athletes at every level go thru slumps ala A Rod, Tiger Woods but the real pros do bounce back. Even with his misses he's still 2nd all time in field goal percentage at Syracuse and will probably end up first by the end of his career. Marrone is certainly not coddling Krautman -he's already proven himself

 

[xc84]

Of course he stands by the kicker...as he does with all players who are on the field. If Krautman is judged to be the best kicker on the team, they what the hell else is he supposed to do. Sure, try Lichtenstein because he had such a good first year... hmmm... so did Krautman.

 

[su fever]

Of course he stands by the kicker...as he does with all players who are on the field. If Krautman is judged to be the best kicker on the team, they what the hell else is he supposed to do. Sure, try Lichtenstein because he had such a good first year... hmmm... so did Krautman.

Last year Georgia's kicker Blair Walsh went into a slump ending his Senior year 21/35 field goals -14 misses but they stuck with the prior Lou Groza Award semi finalist and guess what he's now kicking for the Vikings drafted in the 5th round and having a great year
Enough said

 

[Orangello]

Calling out your player in the local newspaper is not guaranteed to improve their performance especially if you don't have a better alternative at hand.

 

[Fjoinkay]

Marrone wondered out loud or publicly about Krautman earlier in the season.

Kicking results are obvious for everyone to see. Everyone knows how a kicker is doing.

Speaking publicly about kickers is something to avoid in my opinion unless it's some kind of decision to change kickers or some kind of positive reinforcement.

 

[bnoro]

Want to apply the Razor? Ok by me. What is more likely? That Doug is following the same script he's followed since day 1, which is those who practice best play on Saturday? Or that BOTH Lichtenstein and Krautman have regressed so far that neither one is capable of better than 60%? I'm going with the first choice. It's far more logical.

Is that not how it should be? How should he select who plays on saturdays? random drawing out of a hat? Throwing darts at a dart board? Sumo matches between players?

 

[All4SU]

Want to apply the Razor? Ok by me. What is more likely? That Doug is following the same script he's followed since day 1, which is those who practice best play on Saturday? Or that BOTH Lichtenstein and Krautman have regressed so far that neither one is capable of better than 60%? I'm going with the first choice. It's far more logical.

And I think it is FAR more likely that (a) Krautman is our best kicker, and that (b) the problems have not all been Krautmans, and (c) HCDM is trying to keep his player/unit playing with some confidence. I also believe HCDM is working all of his kickers in practice to get them best out of them that he can.

 

[All4SU]

At some point you have to look past practice Doug. There are those who excel on gameday and those who don't. We need winners on the field, not those who practice well. I don't care how good somebody is in practice with nothing on the line. We need people on the field who can get it done during a game. We saw the same nonsense with Sales 2 years ago, Doug wouldn't play him because of practice issues. Fact is he was still the best WR on the team last year when it came time to play for real. Now it's the opposite, he keeps sending Krautman out there even though the kid is less than 60% on the year after 9 games. He is 40% from 40+. This is infuriating. Lichtenstein can't be this bad.

So on your team, a talented player who is not doing what he is supposed to do, gets to play. But a kid who is working hard and doing everything he can, but still having a mixture of success and failure needs to be benched? Gee, I'd sure want to play on your team.

 

[rrlbees]

We saw the same nonsense with Sales 2 years ago, Doug wouldn't play him because of practice issues. Fact is he was still the best WR on the team last year when it came time to play for real..

Fastest way to lose a good chunk of your team is to play kids who don't work hard in practice.

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[Pyle]

Calling out your player in the local newspaper is not guaranteed to improve their performance especially if you don't have a better alternative at hand.

Is that not how it should be? How should he select who plays on saturdays? random drawing out of a hat? Throwing darts at a dart board? Sumo matches between players?

Some of the logic here is astounding. I didn't say go to the paper and call him out. Why say anything at all? Just because you don't want to call out the kicker publicly doesn't mean you need to the opposite, just don't do anything except keep your options open.

Yeah you pick starters based on practice, but if someone is consistently not performing on the field then you give the backup a try. See Cinci vs SU for a prime example. Munchie had a great start to the season. And then his season went downhill. A few missed balls, 1 int, and 1 near int against us and he sat on the bench. Who won the game?

As for the NFL comment above, maybe it's just me but I don't care what most guys do in the NFL other than wish them success after they leave here. What I want is someone who performs on gameday.

Take away the blocks and he is 10/16. That's still slightly less than 2/3 of attempts made. If you guys seriously want to defend that then there is no point in discussing it any longer. IMO, that's just not good enough.

Oh and FWIW, coaching in a way as to not damage the psyche of your players is in fact CODDLING! Krautman has 1 job on the football field. 1 job. Put the ball between the uprights. He is failing in that regard on at least 1 out of every 3 attempts(not including blocks)

 

[Pyle]

So on your team, a talented player who is not doing what he is supposed to do, gets to play. But a kid who is working hard and doing everything he can, but still having a mixture of success and failure needs to be benched? Gee, I'd sure want to play on your team.

I love how you make it seem all twisted when in fact that's exactly what happens, especially at the professional levels. How many times have you heard about top players milking it in practice but still doing what they need to in a game and still making millions? This is D1 football, not some club team. If the talented player is getting it done on Sat then you play him, even if he milks it in practice from time to time.

 

[orangenirvana]

I'm fine with Krautman as our kicker.

I'm not fine with how often Marrone relies on him as opposed to his offense.

 

[Pyle]

Fastest way to lose a good chunk of your team is to play kids who don't work hard in practice.

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Another fast way to lose the team is keep playing guys who don't get it done on gameday.

 

[Chip]

I don't think we have another option, so the best solution is to make sure we're only kicking the most high probability kicks.

I know Lichty is on the roster. But the year he seemed so good, he was kicking a lot of knuckleballs. They were going through. But they weren't pretty. I don't know much you can rely on that. Seemed like it was more luck than skill to me.

 

[su fever]

I'm fine with Krautman as our kicker.

I'm not fine with how often Marrone relies on him as opposed to his offense.

Well said! Totally agree-What comes to mind is the Rutgers game where we pay for a field goal on 3rd and 12 with a run to set up a 50 yard field goal right after the blocked kick from the left hash into the wind-Tough situation for any kicker