Doug Stands behind place kicker?????

[Pyle]

I don't think we have another option, so the best solution is to make sure we're only kicking the most high probability kicks.

I know Lichty is on the roster. But the year he seemed so good, he was kicking a lot of knuckleballs. They were going through. But they weren't pretty. I don't know much you can rely on that. Seemed like it was more luck than skill to me.

I guess I can live with this. You all convinced me the other day that kicking on 4th and 3 was a bad choice given Krautmans percentage this year. I guess it really sank in because when I saw this article I flipped. Maybe I overreacted because I do that a lot when it comes to football. The only thing I really want is to win, I don't care about being right, on this board, in my living room, etc. As a matter of fact, I hope Krautman shuts me up good the rest of the season. This season has been so frustrating, it doesn't take much for me to lose my crap.

 

[Rocco]

BTW, we need a full time special teams coach.

I think you will be happy with the answer...

 

[rrlbees]

Another fast way to lose the team is keep playing guys who don't get it done on gameday.

Well, since our problems seem to always be a number of players and/or issues each week, sometimes different ones at that, I don't think that will be a problem. Not too many players on this team that can point fingers at another for not getting it done on gameday.

 

[OrangePA]

The main issue isn't the kicker...the team has issues on the line.

BTW, we need a full time special teams coach.

You mean like Frank Beamer?

 

[xc84]

Some of the logic here is astounding. I didn't say go to the paper and call him out. Why say anything at all? Just because you don't want to call out the kicker publicly doesn't mean you need to the opposite, just don't do anything except keep your options open.

Yeah you pick starters based on practice, but if someone is consistently not performing on the field then you give the backup a try. See Cinci vs SU for a prime example. Munchie had a great start to the season. And then his season went downhill. A few missed balls, 1 int, and 1 near int against us and he sat on the bench. Who won the game?

As for the NFL comment above, maybe it's just me but I don't care what most guys do in the NFL other than wish them success after they leave here. What I want is someone who performs on gameday.

Take away the blocks and he is 10/16. That's still slightly less than 2/3 of attempts made. If you guys seriously want to defend that then there is no point in discussing it any longer. IMO, that's just not good enough.

Oh and FWIW, coaching in a way as to not damage the psyche of your players is in fact CODDLING! Krautman has 1 job on the football field. 1 job. Put the ball between the uprights. He is failing in that regard on at least 1 out of every 3 attempts(not including blocks)

So if Krautman is hitting 2/3 and for argument's sake, the other kickers are doing even worse in practice, you go with the players who are worse?

 

[Pyle]

So if Krautman is hitting 2/3 and for argument's sake, the other kickers are doing even worse in practice, you go with the players who are worse?

What is this pop warner? If Ryan is making less than 60% of his kicks in practice then he shouldn't even be in uniform and certainly not on scholarship which I believe he still is.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

What is this pop warner? If Ryan is making less than 60% of his kicks in practice then he shouldn't even be in uniform and certainly not on scholarship which I believe he still is.

What is this, the NFL? You don't cut your own players, especially when they saved your ass a few seasons back.

 

[xc84]

What is this pop warner? If Ryan is making less than 60% of his kicks in practice then he shouldn't even be in uniform and certainly not on scholarship which I believe he still is.

You didn't answer the question.

 

[orangedave]

I hope Krautman shuts me up good the rest of the season.

Finally found something we can agree on

 

[Pyle]

Yeah so I'm vocal and passionate about my football teams. And if you can't vent frustrations on here then what's the point? Maybe if a few more people were like me in this area then we wouldn't have 1/3 of the seats empty this Sat. No, instead people quietly get fed up and stop going. We have a top 10 team in the country coming, anyone want to bet we don't get over 40k actual fannies in the seats? Fan stands for fanatic, just like me.

 

[SmilinBob]

I'd venture a guess that he has his kicks getting blocked be a part of his missing FG's as well. If you've ever kicked you really do have that in your head when you're kicking. Yes it shouldn't be but it is very hard to keep those blocking demons out of your kitchen.

 

[xc84]

Yeah so I'm vocal and passionate about my football teams. And if you can't vent frustrations on here then what's the point? Maybe if a few more people were like me in this area then we wouldn't have 1/3 of the seats empty this Sat. No, instead people quietly get fed up and stop going. We have a top 10 team in the country coming, anyone want to bet we don't get over 40k actual fannies in the seats? Fan stands for fanatic, just like me.

Just because someone disagrees with your opinion sometimes, that does not mean they are not fanatical about SU football. My take on this is Marrone, who sees practices, etc., knows a heck of a lot more than us. He's going to be put the best kicker out there. Hard to really say he isn't. I have been a season ticket holder (actually have 3) since '92 and started going to games in about 1980 (went to most home games). Point is, "people like you" who complain about the starting kicker are not the only ones who fanatically go to all home games (I went to 2 away games this year too).

 

[TexanMark]

You mean like Frank Beamer?

If Frank Beamer would like to join our staff and Coach special teams he would be an excellent ST's coordinator for us.

If you looked objectively at our STs play this year it has been very inconsistent and has directly led to several losses. I look at a football team as a civilian version of a military organization. The Leader leds: he appoints trusted subordinates to carry out his orders and they are assigned Football Versions of an Officer Rank/Duties. His players are his soldiers at the tip of the spear. I think Coach Marrone should be the Commander of the organization and he should assign his staff to execute the three phases (Offense, Defense and STs) of battle. STs is our weakest unit and I think we need a new leader of STs.

Can he be a successful HC and STs Coordinator? Sure but I haven't seen any evidence we will even get above middling right now. Time for a change and give the ST duties to a new coaching hire or assign it to the most qualified existing coach.

In order for Syracuse to excel we need to manufacture points (like a VT, Rutgers or Cuse in the late 80s to late 90s) on STs to help us defeat some superior foes. Rutgers has blocked more kicks in half a season than we have in a decade. Rutgers is a very flawed team on offense but has been able to win games they shouldn't by using stout defense and STs to create points for them.

My dream fix would be to bring in someone that is a known expert in the area and also some ties to an area we recruit.

 

[RMH44]

I guess I can live with this. You all convinced me the other day that kicking on 4th and 3 was a bad choice given Krautmans percentage this year. I guess it really sank in because when I saw this article I flipped. Maybe I overreacted because I do that a lot when it comes to football. The only thing I really want is to win, I don't care about being right, on this board, in my living room, etc. As a matter of fact, I hope Krautman shuts me up good the rest of the season. This season has been so frustrating, it doesn't take much for me to lose my crap.

Really? Not sure anyone would have noticed if you didn't mention it.

 

[Pyle]

Really? Not sure anyone would have noticed if you didn't mention it.

Yeah I admit I'm a hothead. But there is a difference between that and someone just bashing the team for no reason, or stirring the pot to get attention as you put it. I've had season tickets for a decade. I started taking my sons to games at the age of 3. My 8 year old is in his 4th year of season tickets and my 4 year old is in his first.(if you're trying to do the math I didn't get either of them season tickets at 3, I cherry picked a few noon games with low attendance to break them both in). Point is, I didn't come here to start trouble. I hope folks on here realize that. There are alot of knowledgeable people on this board, and going back and forth has a tendency to get me to cool my jets sometimes as I get to see things from others viewpoints. My apologies to those who think I'm obnoxious and want me to shut up. I'm just trying to vent and maybe learn something along the way.

 

[bnoro]

Yeah so I'm vocal and passionate about my football teams. And if you can't vent frustrations on here then what's the point? Maybe if a few more people were like me in this area then we wouldn't have 1/3 of the seats empty this Sat. No, instead people quietly get fed up and stop going. We have a top 10 team in the country coming, anyone want to bet we don't get over 40k actual fannies in the seats? Fan stands for fanatic, just like me.

You can vent your frustrations, but at least have a legitimate issue to debate. Saying you think Licky might be a better option in games despite him not winning the job in practice doesn't mean there's an ounce of evidence that actually suggests that in reality. Krautman might hit 99% of his practice kicks for all you know. I can understand being disappointed in Ross but you're overblowing the issue.

 

[SmilinBob]

Yeah I admit I'm a hothead. But there is a difference between that and someone just bashing the team for no reason, or stirring the pot to get attention as you put it. I've had season tickets for a decade. I started taking my sons to games at the age of 3. My 8 year old is in his 4th year of season tickets and my 4 year old is in his first.(if you're trying to do the math I didn't get either of them season tickets at 3, I cherry picked a few noon games with low attendance to break them both in). Point is, I didn't come here to start trouble. I hope folks on here realize that. There are alot of knowledgeable people on this board, and going back and forth has a tendency to get me to cool my jets sometimes as I get to see things from others viewpoints. My apologies to those who think I'm obnoxious and want me to shut up. I'm just trying to vent and maybe learn something along the way.

Nothing wrong with a little passion, unless of course my name was Buzz.

 

[Pyle]

You can vent your frustrations, but at least have a legitimate issue to debate. Saying you think Licky might be a better option in games despite him not winning the job in practice doesn't mean there's an ounce of evidence that actually suggests that in reality. Krautman might hit 99% of his practice kicks for all you know. I can understand being disappointed in Ross but you're overblowing the issue.

Is it overblowing the issue when our kicking team is the difference between where we stand now and bowl eligibility? It really is a big issue. Using the same logic you are using, since Munchie was the starter wouldn't it make more sense he was performing better in practice than the backup? Yet the backup came in and beat us when Munchie could not. I think some people are very locked into this mindset that starters will always be better than backups and that coaches never make personnel mistakes. Coaches are human, humans make mistakes, to think otherwise is silly. If Krautman has mental issues with his kicking game then maybe it's time to consider other options. I have no evidence that Lich would be better but it would be really hard to be any worse.

 

[bnoro]

Is it overblowing the issue when our kicking team is the difference between where we stand now and bowl eligibility? It really is a big issue. Using the same logic you are using, since Munchie was the starter wouldn't it make more sense he was performing better in practice than the backup? Yet the backup came in and beat us when Munchie could not. I think some people are very locked into this mindset that starters will always be better than backups and that coaches never make personnel mistakes. Coaches are human, humans make mistakes, to think otherwise is silly. If Krautman has mental issues with his kicking game then maybe it's time to consider other options. I have no evidence that Lich would be better but it would be really hard to be any worse.

Munchie was clearly playing hurt.

If Marrone uses Licky in the dome on Saturday and he misses both FG's he attempts and we lose by one, I'd be curious to see what would your response be. I'm sure the board would lose its mind that Marrone switched things up like that.

 

[SmilinBob]

I see Krautman dead nut every kick in practice before the games. My question is, is it he has a problem with angles more? Obviously it is harder but I wonder if those kicks put a hitch in his giddy up.

 

[OrangePA]

If Frank Beamer would like to join our staff and Coach special teams he would be an excellent ST's coordinator for us.

If you looked objectively at our STs play this year it has been very inconsistent and has directly led to several losses. I look at a football team as a civilian version of a military organization. The Leader leds: he appoints trusted subordinates to carry out his orders and they are assigned Football Versions of an Officer Rank/Duties. His players are his soldiers at the tip of the spear. I think Coach Marrone should be the Commander of the organization and he should assign his staff to execute the three phases (Offense, Defense and STs) of battle. STs is our weakest unit and I think we need a new leader of STs.

Can he be a successful HC and STs Coordinator? Sure but I haven't seen any evidence we will even get above middling right now. Time for a change and give the ST duties to a new coaching hire or assign it to the most qualified existing coach.

In order for Syracuse to excel we need to manufacture points (like a VT, Rutgers or Cuse in the late 80s to late 90s) on STs to help us defeat some superior foes. Rutgers has blocked more kicks in half a season than we have in a decade. Rutgers is a very flawed team on offense but has been able to win games they shouldn't by using stout defense and STs to create points for them.

My dream fix would be to bring in someone that is a known expert in the area and also some ties to an area we recruit.

Well, over four years we have had three different ST coaching arrangements.

And the assignments have not made all that much difference. Gosh, Casullo was viewed as a great ST coach and he struggled

Once again it's not about the coach. It's about the players.

 

[xc84]

Is it overblowing the issue when our kicking team is the difference between where we stand now and bowl eligibility? It really is a big issue. Using the same logic you are using, since Munchie was the starter wouldn't it make more sense he was performing better in practice than the backup? Yet the backup came in and beat us when Munchie could not. I think some people are very locked into this mindset that starters will always be better than backups and that coaches never make personnel mistakes. Coaches are human, humans make mistakes, to think otherwise is silly. If Krautman has mental issues with his kicking game then maybe it's time to consider other options. I have no evidence that Lich would be better but it would be really hard to be any worse.

Who knows (but the coaches) how Munchie was performing in practice? Maybe it was close in practice too. Of course it's time to consider other options. I am sure Marrone does that every game. He considers who should start based on multiple factors and then makes a choice. While you may think it might be hard to be worse than Krautman, don't forget, he had a couple nice games... and it just might be the case that the backups are worse. None of us here have evidence so it's pure speculation on our part. However, do you really think Marrone is choosing Krautman for some other reason than still thinking Krautman gives us the best shot at making FGs? Geez. Marrone's job is on the line and he's going to stick with the 2nd best kicker because he's plain stubborn? You are certainly entitled to your opinion but it does seem unsubstantiated in this case. Just a hunch on your part that is a bit illogical.

 

[TexanMark]

I see Krautman dead nut every kick in practice before the games. My question is, is it he has a problem with angles more? Obviously it is harder but I wonder if those kicks put a hitch in his giddy up.

Bottomline: If you are setting up for a FG kick...put the ball in a position to be kicked in the center of the field not on the left hash.

 

[Pyle]

Who knows (but the coaches) how Munchie was performing in practice? Maybe it was close in practice too. Of course it's time to consider other options. I am sure Marrone does that every game. He considers who should start based on multiple factors and then makes a choice. While you may think it might be hard to be worse than Krautman, don't forget, he had a couple nice games... and it just might be the case that the backups are worse. None of us here have evidence so it's pure speculation on our part. However, do you really think Marrone is choosing Krautman for some other reason than still thinking Krautman gives us the best shot at making FGs? Geez. Marrone's job is on the line and he's going to stick with the 2nd best kicker because he's plain stubborn? You are certainly entitled to your opinion but it does seem unsubstantiated in this case. Just a hunch on your part that is a bit illogical.

Nah you're right, I've got nothing to base this on other than the notion 'Could he really be worse'. The answer to that without any hard evidence is yeah I guess he could be. It's just maddening that our K is only hitting 65%, not including blocks.

 

[TexanMark]

Well, over four years we have had three different ST coaching arrangements.

And the assignments have not made all that much difference. Gosh, Casullo was viewed as a great ST coach and he struggled

Once again it's not about the coach. It's about the players.

We'll just disagree...I think it is a combination (coaches and players) and not an absolute. Casullo struggled for multiple reasons and was fired more for interpersonal reasons.