Duke not getting a 1 seed now

[Syracuse44]

6 losses is not worthy of a 1 seed, at least not the East region 1. We gotta take care of business for sure, but UNC helped us out big tonight.

 

[CorduroyG]

I agree, they're a 2. Even if they run the table they'll need a lot of help from other teams to sneak on the 1 line.

 

[BuffOrange]

If we could've beaten a garbage team that had beaten one D1 team since Nov. 25th...this would be true.

 

[Syracuse44]

If we could've beaten a garbage team that had beaten one D1 team since Nov. 25th...this would be true.

Doesn't matter, Duke now has 6 losses, they are not staying in the East as the 1. They might be a 1 out West, but they have played their way out of MSG.

 

[jncuse]

Very slight chance to still get a #1... but they need lots of help to accomplish that.

The biggest thing that helps ACC teams gunning for a #1 (us and Duke) is that the B10 and B12 are the premier conferences, but no teams with premier resumes.

 

[pearl31]

Doesn't matter, Duke now has 6 losses, they are not staying in the East as the 1. They might be a 1 out West, but they have played their way out of MSG.

I mean, I get your premise… but what is the precedent you're basing this upon? How is this such a definite thing?

 

[jncuse]

Doesn't matter, Duke now has 6 losses, they are not staying in the East as the 1. They might be a 1 out West, but they have played their way out of MSG.

I am still working under the guideline that a gap of 2 losses between the 2 teams is still a "toss up" in the committee room. So at minimum, we are now safe at 3 losses, and have a 50/50 chance at 4.

** This 50/50 is based on a scenario that Duke wins out. Our chances at 4 losses are higher than 50% because there are good chances Duke loses one game before the season is over.

 

[Zippy1808]

What do we think would have to happen for us to be #1 in the East and Duke to be #2 in the East?
(not that we really want that to happen)

 

[jncuse]

What do we think would have to happen for us to be #1 in the East and Duke to be #2 in the East?
(not that we really want that to happen)

Only one of Syracuse or Duke can get in the East region and play at MSG, so your scenario cannot happen. The top three teams from each conference (in terms of seeds) need to be in different regions.

 

[Tony DeFranco]

Duke is not getting a 1 seed over Wichita, Florida, AZ, San Diego St, Ville, Nova and us - that's assuming Kansas and MSU don't go on runs - they have 6 losses - by the time they play us, UNC, their remaining schedule and the ACCT they are gonna have 8 losses - 7 minimum

 

[pearl31]

by the time they play us, UNC, their remaining schedule and the ACCT they are gonna have 8 losses - 7 minimum

nah, I can easily still see Duke winning out after tonight and finishing w/ 6 losses - but that's still probably too many for a 1 seed

 

[cto]

Three weeks till Selection Sunday. Anything can happen. Final chapter has not been written.

 

[thebigeast44]

Only one of Syracuse or Duke can get in the East region and play at MSG, so your scenario cannot happen. The top three teams from each conference (in terms of seeds) need to be in different regions.

Teams from the same conference seeded 1-4 cannot be placed in the same region according to new bracketing rules this year.

 

[CaptainJ]

Teams from the same conference seeded 1-4 cannot be placed in the same region according to new bracketing rules this year.

Thank goodness. Can you imagine the deflating feeling of getting Duke at ANY seed in our region?

 

[CorduroyG]

Three weeks till Selection Sunday. Anything can happen. Final chapter has not been written.

jason disagrees

 

[Knicks411]

Only one of Syracuse or Duke can get in the East region and play at MSG, so your scenario cannot happen. The top three teams from each conference (in terms of seeds) need to be in different regions.

Feel like this needs to be stickied to the top of the board or something

 

[thebigeast44]

Feel like this needs to be stickied to the top of the board or something

Except it's incorrect. The top 4 teams from a conference cannot be placed in the same region if they are seeded 1-4.

http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...s-bracketing-guidelines-division-i-tournament

 

[Knicks411]

Except it's incorrect. The top 4 teams from a conference cannot be placed in the same region if they are seeded 1-4.

http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...s-bracketing-guidelines-division-i-tournament

Right, that is what I'm saying. Duke and SU can't be the same region. Thought it was top 3, didn't realize they changed it to 4. Let's sticky this one instead then

This has only occurred twice in the history of the championship (Big East with 11 teams in 2011 and nine in 2012). Under the new principles, each of the top four teams selected from a conference will be placed in separate regions, only if they are seeded on the first four lines. This replaces the principle that separated the top three teams from a league regardless of the teams’ placement within the bracket.

Thanks for the link though, because this solves the question that had been brought up before when Palm was saying teams from the top 3 of a conference could be in the same region if they weren't both top 4 seeds. (Believe he had Duke and SU in the same region when Duke was a 5 seed).

 

[tbonezone]

deck is stacked . in our pocket already is a win over duke.2 wins over UNC and wins over both clemson and the irish who beat duke.
now take it to the second tier and we also beat nova and cal. they beat kansas and arizona who both also beat duke.

 

[Knicks411]

So b asically, under these rules, we wouldn't have been in the East last year.

 

[iommi]

deck is stacked . in our pocket already is a win over duke.2 wins over UNC and wins over both clemson and the irish who beat duke.
take it to the second tier and we also beat nova and cal. they beat kansas and arizona who both beat duke.

We've only played UNC once.

 

[pearl31]

So b asically, under these rules, we wouldn't have been in the East last year.

I don't know… wouldn't there have been too many 1-4 seeded BE teams to avoid having 2 in at least one of the regions?

 

[Alsacs]

So b asically, under these rules, we wouldn't have been in the East last year.

Incorrect, the rule is now top 3 teams from the same conference can be in the same region if they are top 4 seeds. Syracuse was the 4th Big East team last year. 1. Louisville-1 seed Midwest 2. Georgetown 2 seed South 3. Marquette 3 seed East. Since Syracuse was the 4th Big East team we could in the East region.

Since both Duke and Syracuse will be top 4 seeds neither of them can in the same region since they along with Virginia will be the top 3 ACC teams.

Also, if you played a team from your conference 2 times in the regular season you can't play them before the Elite 8, but if you played them only one time you can meet them in the round of 32 or sweet 16 potentially.

 

[pearl31]

Incorrect, the rule is now top 3 teams from the same conference can be in the same region if they are top 4 seeds. Syracuse was the 4th Big East team last year. 1. Louisville-1 seed Midwest 2. Georgetown 2 seed South 3. Marquette 3 seed East. Since Syracuse was the 4th Big East team we could in the East region.

Since both Duke and Syracuse will be top 4 seeds neither of them can in the same region since they along with Virginia will be the top 3 ACC teams.

Also, if you played a team from your conference 2 times in the regular season you can't play them before the Elite 8, but if you played them only one time you can meet them in the round of 32 or sweet 16 potentially.

No, but that was with the top 3 scenario (in which SU was the 4the BE team) - this new rule states that the top 4 from a conference, if they are all 1-4 seeds, cannot be in the same region.
Unless I am misunderstanding.

 

[Orangemen]

Incorrect, the rule is now top 3 teams from the same conference can be in the same region if they are top 4 seeds. Syracuse was the 4th Big East team last year. 1. Louisville-1 seed Midwest 2. Georgetown 2 seed South 3. Marquette 3 seed East. Since Syracuse was the 4th Big East team we could in the East region.

Since both Duke and Syracuse will be top 4 seeds neither of them can in the same region since they along with Virginia will be the top 3 ACC teams.

Also, if you played a team from your conference 2 times in the regular season you can't play them before the Elite 8, but if you played them only one time you can meet them in the round of 32 or sweet 16 potentially.

I don't think this is right. The cut and paste from above says top 4 must be in 4 different regions if they are all top 4 seeds. So last year we would have been shipped out west.