I know that Bug Poliquin reads this board,but ELI ?
See what I started as bug ran with this yesterday
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See what I started as bug ran with this yesterday
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Not sure if mentioned yet, but I believe the correct answer is "a pre-weight gain Jessica Simpson".
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ill give him Carrie Underwood too.
i guess for this crowd, that equates to championships.
304-435 3705 yds 34-9 behind the best offensive line in football and basically a 2k rusher
vs
379-601 4410 yds 30-14 behind the worse offensive line in football and basically no running backs.
yes, Eli had the better year.
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I see how it works. When the Giants win it is because Manning is a Hall of Fame Quarterback. When the Cowboys win it is because of the running backs and offensive line. When the Giants lose it is because the offensive line and running backs are terrible. When the Cowboys lose it is because Romo is terrible.
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no.
its just romo is terrible.
and
Eli is going to the Hall of Fame.
everything discussed is just reasons why, like my point about how romo had an easy season last year and Eli had a very difficult one...and STILL, put up amazing #s.
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You're just trolling; you don't really believe that, do you?
Check out Romo's numbers, then check out Eli's.
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hes an injury risk, but id rank him 2nd in the NFC East, for sure.
gun to head...
id put him...ryan, stafford & flacco in same catagory...with rivers.
you can change the order in each grouping, it doesnt matter.
1a. Rodgers
1b. Peyton
1c. the cheating fluck
2a. Luck
2b. Tebow
3a. Eli
3b. Ben
3c. Brees
4a. Rivers
4b. Romo
4c. Ryan
4d. Stafford
4e. Flacco
4f. Wilson
5a. Cam
5b. Dalton
5c. Tannehill
5d. Smith
5e. Palmer
6a. Carr
6b. Bradford
6c. Cutler
6d. Bridgewater
then everyone else
Lol, tebow, well done.
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Romo will be an interesting HOF case. It depends on how much longer he's able to stick around IMO. Playing at the level he did last year, if he did that a few more years, I think he gets in even without a Super Bowl. His numbers are really great, but it also probably depends a bit on the inflation of the QB position due to rules/passing tendencies.
There is absolutely no way that the Giants offensive line was the worst in football last year. The Bucs were FAR worse and I'm not even sure that they were the worst. Based on PFF and Football Outsiders, the Giants were ranked somewhere in the 15-20 range of offensive lines last year.
Anyways, both had great years last year. I'd give Romo the edge though; his efficiency was just incredible. Obviously he also had more to work with though.
There is absolutely no way that the Giants offensive line was the worst in football last year. The Bucs were FAR worse and I'm not even sure that they were the worst. Based on PFF and Football Outsiders, the Giants were ranked somewhere in the 15-20 range of offensive lines last year.
Anyways, both had great years last year. I'd give Romo the edge though; his efficiency was just incredible. Obviously he also had more to work with though.
I know Giant fans for some reason can't see it, but for everyone else, look up Romo's numbers, they are hof worthy. He just needs that one ring to get over the hump.
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just wanted to make sure everyone is paying attention...
i was gonna sneak him in the 4s or 5s...but was worried that people woudve taken it seriously and ive got 1 eye on a cooler of beer and wont have the time to properly enjoy that...
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Unrelated to the Romo vs. Eli debate, I think Stafford is extremely overrated in general. To me, he's definitely not in that 4th tier that you describe. Basically everything about him screams average QB except he throws it a lot.
Flacco belongs in the 3s. He is Money in the postseason has won atleast 1 playoff game 6 of 7 years and won a SB. Flacco hasn't thrown the INTs Eli has. Flacco just doesn't put up monster regular seasons he is the AFC QB I fear more than any in the playoffs as a Pats fan.
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the margin between Flacco's upside and downside is remarkably narrow...and his floor is pretty high.
hes a rock solid NFL QB to be sure.
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Jaworski's annual rankings were as follows:
1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. P. Manning
4. Luck
5. Wilson
6. Brees
7. Ben
8. Rivers
9. Romo
10. Flacco
11. Matt Ryan
12. Stafford
13. E. Manning
14. Smith
15. Kaepernick
That's his analysis based off their performance last year. He thinks Romo is better fwiw.
1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. P. Manning
4. Luck
5. Wilson
6. Brees
7. Ben
8. Rivers
9. Romo
10. Flacco
11. Matt Ryan
12. Stafford
13. E. Manning
14. Smith
15. Kaepernick
That's his analysis based off their performance last year. He thinks Romo is better fwiw.
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/08/25/ranking-the-nfls-top-10-qbs/
ProFootballFocus' ratings (including their comments on some of them):
1. Rodgers
2. Drew Brees
3. Big Ben
4. Philip Rivers
5. Peyton
"Manning is an interesting quarterback to rank at this stage in his career. Were we purely looking at the second half of his 2014 season, he wouldn’t be close to the top five, but he is buoyed by a 2013 season in which he was one of the best quarterbacks in the league. Manning was our sixth-highest-graded quarterback through Week 8 of the 2014 season, but was just the 17th-highest graded from Week 9 onwards. How he responds in 2015 with new head coach Gary Kubiak will be key both for his place on lists like these and the Broncos’ Super Bowl hopes."
6. Tom Brady
"Brady was our highest-graded quarterback in the NFL from Weeks 5 to 13 last season, recovering from a shaky start (which included a really poor performance against the Kansas City Chiefs in Week 4) to have another stellar season. One cause for concern would be how we performed from Week 13 through the Super Bowl, but despite being very average for that stretch, he is still one of the best quarterbacks in the league."
7. Tony Romo
"Often criticized for the Cowboys’ lack of postseason success, Romo is actually one of the best QBs in the league on a yearly basis. It’s hard to imagine where the Cowboys would be without him, and he was particularly effective in 2014. No QB in the league had more touchdown throws on deep passes."
8. Matt Ryan
9. Russell Wilson
"Wilson wasn’t a particularly good passer in 2014, ranking just 19th in passing grade. He made up for that with the second-highest rushing grade among quarterbacks, but his place in the top 10 is more than anything based off of his tremendous 2013 season. That’s when he had the eighth-highest passing grade, and again the second-highest rushing grade, while leading the league with an accuracy percentage of 48.3 percent on passes travelling 20 yards or more downfield."
10. Ryan Tannehill
"Is he among the best five quarterbacks in the league yet? No, but Ryan Tannehill has quietly put himself in the top 10 with his play over the past two seasons. He was the sixth-most accurate QB in the league last year. Our sixth-highest graded passer in 2013, he dropped slightly to 10th this past season, but looks poised for a big year with the Dolphins and an improved supporting cast."
Andrew Luck apparently came in ranked as their #11 QB, just barely behind Tannehill.
ProFootballFocus' ratings (including their comments on some of them):
1. Rodgers
2. Drew Brees
3. Big Ben
4. Philip Rivers
5. Peyton
"Manning is an interesting quarterback to rank at this stage in his career. Were we purely looking at the second half of his 2014 season, he wouldn’t be close to the top five, but he is buoyed by a 2013 season in which he was one of the best quarterbacks in the league. Manning was our sixth-highest-graded quarterback through Week 8 of the 2014 season, but was just the 17th-highest graded from Week 9 onwards. How he responds in 2015 with new head coach Gary Kubiak will be key both for his place on lists like these and the Broncos’ Super Bowl hopes."
6. Tom Brady
"Brady was our highest-graded quarterback in the NFL from Weeks 5 to 13 last season, recovering from a shaky start (which included a really poor performance against the Kansas City Chiefs in Week 4) to have another stellar season. One cause for concern would be how we performed from Week 13 through the Super Bowl, but despite being very average for that stretch, he is still one of the best quarterbacks in the league."
7. Tony Romo
"Often criticized for the Cowboys’ lack of postseason success, Romo is actually one of the best QBs in the league on a yearly basis. It’s hard to imagine where the Cowboys would be without him, and he was particularly effective in 2014. No QB in the league had more touchdown throws on deep passes."
8. Matt Ryan
9. Russell Wilson
"Wilson wasn’t a particularly good passer in 2014, ranking just 19th in passing grade. He made up for that with the second-highest rushing grade among quarterbacks, but his place in the top 10 is more than anything based off of his tremendous 2013 season. That’s when he had the eighth-highest passing grade, and again the second-highest rushing grade, while leading the league with an accuracy percentage of 48.3 percent on passes travelling 20 yards or more downfield."
10. Ryan Tannehill
"Is he among the best five quarterbacks in the league yet? No, but Ryan Tannehill has quietly put himself in the top 10 with his play over the past two seasons. He was the sixth-most accurate QB in the league last year. Our sixth-highest graded passer in 2013, he dropped slightly to 10th this past season, but looks poised for a big year with the Dolphins and an improved supporting cast."
Andrew Luck apparently came in ranked as their #11 QB, just barely behind Tannehill.
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Luck was 13th in ESPN's QBR last year. I find it interesting that Luck barely cracked the top ten in any advanced QB measures. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb
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PFF published another article explaining why Luck was only 11th; basically said that they expect him to be in the top 5 shortly given that he has all of the tools, but that he still makes too many mistakes and is flat out poor when facing pressure relative to other QBs (has a negative grade against pressure). Also says that Tannehill's highest rated game last year was higher than any of Luck's and his lowest rated game was also higher than any of Luck's.
The negative grade against pressure is interesting though because they also published an article about QBs under pressure in which they listed him as the #5 QB in the league with a +8.1 rating when facing pressure. Maybe the +8.1 was just 2014 and he has a negative grade over the course of his career? I'm not really sure.
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Ended up reading that bit after I post. I still don't buy it. The Colts as a team really aren't that good, Luck gets asked to do a ton for them, and they win a lot of games pretty much entirely because of him. I get why Luck doesn't necessarily rank great i n the advanced metrics; those are very efficiency based. But Luck is asked to carry a huge load for the Colts, I don't think you can compare it to most other QBs. I think Luck is the second best QB in the game.
Put in the most simple way; the Colts were 11-5 (bad division, I know) and Miami went 8-8; if you put Tannehill on the Colts and Luck on the Dolphins I'm pretty sure those records are flipped.
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