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Good luck to Mr. Burns. Hopefully the parents stop meddling.
This is not true on both accounts. The boys record this year was 6-10 i think? That's not going to work at West Genny. The girls were better at 11-5 but there were other issues that factored into the decisionThe coach of the boys team and the girls team both resigned right after the season. There have been rumors that they left for the same reason Mike Messere stepped down. Too much parent meddling and players that put themselves before the team.
Aren't all snowflakes unique?This should be the new coaches approach
Tyler Durden: Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else.
Aren't all snowflakes unique?
This will never happen. The only way it doesn’t become a bigger issue is if the administration has the coach’s back. Sounds like that wasn’t the case with Messere or the last guy.Good luck to Mr. Burns. Hopefully the parents stop meddling.
Messere seems to be obsessed with the socks. We scrimmaged West Genny when I was in high school in the 90s. I remember the game and the indoor facility we played in. I do not remember their socks. We certainly weren’t intimidated by their socks. The fashion at the time was no-show socks. If anything we would have thought their socks looked lame or dorky.Yes, but in the end they are all snowflakes.
Mike Messere on West Genesee lacrosse coaching change: I knew the bottom would fall out (7 questions)
The Wildcats are in the market for a new coach after Messere's replacement, Shaun Smith, resigned last week.www.syracuse.com
The drooping socks - take it or leave it, but the concept would be that no one player is above the whole team and that's what he kind of hints at as well as parental interference.
there was a bit more than just socks, it was only a piece. Some 80's/90's WG teams could have fielded two full teams,winning class A and Class B titles. The depth of talent was unmatched by any other high school. messere helped build a legendary program, but he was far from the only reason for WG success. his last interview is/was an embarrassment. He himself had many flaws, and I think the WG community was the reason for unmatched success. that should have been the statement from his last meaningful interview, instead it was a disgrace.Messere seems to be obsessed with the socks. We scrimmaged West Genny when I was in high school in the 90s. I remember the game and the indoor facility we played in. I do not remember their socks. We certainly weren’t intimidated by their socks. The fashion at the time was no-show socks. If anything we would have thought their socks looked lame or dorky.
Oh absolutely, I’m not in any way downplaying West Genny’s success. I just don’t understand Messere’s obsession with the socks. The socks are not why they won.there was a bit more than just socks, it was only a piece. Some 80's/90's WG teams could have fielded two full teams,winning class A and Class B titles. The depth of talent was unmatched by any other high school. messere helped build a legendary program, but he was far from the only reason for WG success. his last interview is/was an embarrassment. He himself had many flaws, and I think the WG community was the reason for unmatched success. that should have been the statement from his last meaningful interview, instead it was a disgrace.
i'm fairly sure the interview wasn't 3 minutes long. the reporter took out of it what he wanted to. he was never obsessed with... that. he was obsessed with doing things the right way, for a host of reasons.Oh absolutely, I’m not in any way downplaying West Genny’s success. I just don’t understand Messere’s obsession with the socks. The socks are not why they won.
John Wooden taught his players how to put their socks on. With Wooden, it was about attention to detail. It seemed to work out fairly well in both cases.i'm fairly sure the interview wasn't 3 minutes long. the reporter took out of it what he wanted to. he was never obsessed with... that. he was obsessed with doing things the right way, for a host of reasons.
in your (and his) example, a clear bucking of wanting to be coached on that ideal.
The 80's and 90's suburban upper middle class culture in West Genesee supported and helped nurture very young kids' programs where Mike built his tactical and disciplinary systems. Parents encouraged a rules based team vibe. They loved the guy because he led their kids to educational and athletic success. He was fair but tough. I witnessed up close the way parents backed almost his every decision. I knew many Genny parents. Never heard a bad word uttered.I listened to this awhile back and thought it was interesting. Lacrosse Recruiting 101: Episode 11 - Mike Messere - West Genesee on Apple Podcasts
I have no real insight into West Genny's success, but suspect there will be more parity in general due to the accessibility of year round club programs and private training. That, in addition to communities having more moms and dads who played the sport, will "lift all boats." I think more affluent communities are particularly aided in this. That's why you're seeing the rise of programs in Main Line Philly, Northern NJ, Metro Boston, Metro DC, Dallas, Charlotte, The Research Triangle, Atlanta, San Diego, etc. It's just a matter of time before Section 5 programs catch up with Victor, and Section 2 catch up with Niskayuna. It's also why the talent level of Section 3 appears to be diminishing.
The socks weren't about intimidation, they were about uniformity and conforming to the team ideals. When everyone wears the same uniform or follows the same dress code, it means no one person is above the group, that's the message being sent.
if anyone in the history of high school sports had the right to run a program the way he saw fit and not at the beck and call of players and parents, it's mike messere.I like when teammates all wear the same uniform, right down to socks and even shoes when possible, and while I doubt "socks" were the reason Messere* faced external pressures, I don't like the double standard that these coaches don't have to evolve their views overtime about the team and the program to align more with modern trends and standards. Coaches are not bigger than the teams or programs either, and dogged refusal to meaningfully consider reasonable player supported trends is not better than petulant behavior by a player (or parent).
I couldnt say whether Messere demonstrate some flex over the years or not, just making the larger point.
A fair and valid point.I like when teammates all wear the same uniform, right down to socks and even shoes when possible, and while I doubt "socks" were the reason Messere* faced external pressures, I don't like the double standard that these coaches don't have to evolve their views overtime about the team and the program to align more with modern trends and standards. Coaches are not bigger than the teams or programs either, and dogged refusal to meaningfully consider reasonable player supported trends is not better than petulant behavior by a player (or parent).
I couldnt say whether Messere demonstrate some flex over the years or not, just making the larger point.