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Hi overall record vs cuse is: 11-8

** when cuse had their strong teams, we only played once, when we had a our weak teams, we played twice

MY POINT, JAY WRIGHT TOOK ADVANTAGE WHEN WE HAD OUR WEAKER TEAMS, LOOK IN 2003, HE AVOIDS CUSE, AND 04 AND 05, AND 10, AND 12 OUR STRONG TEAMS, WE PLAYED ONCE



2002 nova beats cuse twice with shumpert/williams

2003: with Melo, jay wright avoids cuse, no games

2004: one game vs cuse, cuse wins (hak a junior)

2005: one game vs cuse, cuse wins (Hak a swnior)

2006, nova sweeps cuse 2x, g mac a senior

2007: split 2 games, robetrs a senior

2008:nova takes 2, cuse takes 1, (donte green year)

2009: nova sweeps cuse 2x (flynn a sophmore)

2010: cuse wins in dome, (wes johnson)

2011: split

2012: cuse wins 1 meeting

2013: split
 
I like it when JB "takes advantage" of good teams when they're down, too.
 
JB has basically won 3 out of every 4 games in his 38 yr career. After tomorrow Wright will have a win record against JB over a 20 game period. What would you call it?
 
docsu said:
Unless we play Pitt in some sort of win or go home scenario. Jamie doesn't fare too hot in those, from what I hear.
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All great coaches have somebody that has their number. For example, I consider Tom Izzo arguably the best coach in college basketball, and Boeheim totally has his number (4-1 I believe).
 
eao1115 said:
All great coaches have somebody that has their number. For example, I consider Tom Izzo arguably the best coach in college basketball, and Boeheim totally has his number (4-1 I believe).
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Yep. 4-1.

But I would happily trade two or three of those wins for Izzos "one."
 
eao1115 said:
Own is way too strong of a word for Jay Wright, but I'd say Jamie Dixon owns Syracuse.
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Wright and Dixon are great coaches ! Period ! Dixon does more with c+/B- Players than any major coach !!
 
Even if the series was 9-9 the bottom line is that anything that close is not acceptable. We are 'cuse and they are nova. We are supposed to be positioned way above them. It's all about the comparative perception of the programs. If we had let's say a 10-5 record against Binghamton over the last 15 years that would NOT be acceptable. If Binghamton were to have this imaginary 5-10 record against us, anyone can easily say they own us even though they only won 33% of the time. Numbers themselves are meaningless without context. Bottom line is most of the time Nova had way less talent than 'Cuse and still managed to win.

8-11 against a non-BCS school is pretty bad overall. I attribute it to Jay Wright winning a lot of the time with inferior talent due to his ability to coach against the zone well. Obviously this year they also have excellent talent so it will be extra tough.

Most coaches don't know how to coach against the zone (hello Indy) and so it's a non-issue. Nova and Pitt is always a grind though.
 
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bnoro said:
Jamie Dixon is a great coach? That might be the first time I've ever seen that statement...
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He wins 75% of his games and has 268 wins, if Wikipedia is up to date. He's only 48 years old. I would say he's on the road to being a great coach. :noidea:

Fascinatingly, he's also a SAG member.
 
zeekay said:
Even if the series was 9-9 the bottom line is that anything that close is not acceptable. We are 'cuse and they are nova. We are supposed to be positioned way above them. It's all about the comparative perception of the programs. If we had let's say a 10-5 record against Binghamton over the last 15 years that would NOT be acceptable. If Binghamton were to have this imaginary 5-10 record against us, anyone can easily say they own us even though they only won 33% of the time. Numbers themselves are meaningless without context. Bottom line is most of the time Nova had way less talent than 'Cuse and still managed to win.

8-11 against a non-BCS school is pretty bad overall. I attribute it to Jay Wright winning a lot of the time with inferior talent due to his ability to coach against the zone well. Obviously this year they also have excellent talent so it will be extra tough.

Most coaches don't know how to coach against the zone (hello Indy) and so it's a non-issue. Nova and Pitt is always a grind though.
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Crazy talk IMHO. Comparing Nova with Binghamton?! And calling Nova a non-BCS school essentially saying they should be far below SU - that's nuts as well. Yes - overall they are not the equal of the SU program. But they are a very good basketball program and in the top 10-15% of all division I basketball programs. And in many years with Wright, they have had among the best guards in the nation - arguably better than ours in a number of years. And they have had enough up front to get the job done. They did not have way less talent than us since Wright has been there. Since 2002, SU has had 8 McDonald AA's and Nova 6.

Rutgers is a BCS school and if we had an 8-11 record against them, that would be cause for concern. While I would prefer to have an 11-8 record against Nova, at least it's against a very good program with a very good coach. And as others have said here, it's a rare coach who doesn't have a losing record against someone.

Let's Go Orange!
 
Wright knows how to beat us, Nova gets up for these games, and Nova has a nice team this year.

If we don't come out of the gate strong and play our "A" game for 40 minutes, it will be a difficult game for us. If we do start strong and play well, we will win, but not that easily.

My guess of the outcome range:

1/3 chance Nova wins in a one-possession game in the last minute

1/3 chance we win in a one-possession game in the last minute

1/3 chance we win by 5 or more
 
zeekay said:
Even if the series was 9-9 the bottom line is that anything that close is not acceptable. We are 'cuse and they are nova. We are supposed to be positioned way above them. It's all about the comparative perception of the programs. If we had let's say a 10-5 record against Binghamton over the last 15 years that would NOT be acceptable. If Binghamton were to have this imaginary 5-10 record against us, anyone can easily say they own us even though they only won 33% of the time. Numbers themselves are meaningless without context. Bottom line is most of the time Nova had way less talent than 'Cuse and still managed to win.

8-11 against a non-BCS school is pretty bad overall. I attribute it to Jay Wright winning a lot of the time with inferior talent due to his ability to coach against the zone well. Obviously this year they also have excellent talent so it will be extra tough.

Most coaches don't know how to coach against the zone (hello Indy) and so it's a non-issue. Nova and Pitt is always a grind though.
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Clearly some people have forgotten just how good Nova was not that long ago. In a 5 year span from 05-09, Wright had them in the regionals 4 times, they were a 1 seed in one of those years, and made the Final 4 in another. In all, they won 11 tournament games during that time. Just to compare, most SU fans would argue that the last 5 years have arguably been SU's best 5 year stretch ever. In that 5 year span, SU has won 12 tournament games.

We'll see what the future holds for Villanova and the Big East, but they weren't some mid-major third rate program under Jay Wright that SU should have steamrolled.
 
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Wow! Just wow. We have a game on tap in which the opposition is ranked in the top 10 and suddenly it seems like everybody is putting on some type of tin foil hat. Jay Wright the next Syracuse head coach? What! Who owns who and how much did they pay to own whomever they supposedly own? Look, we are ranked # 2 in the Nation and we are playing in the DOME. There are going to be 30K+ fans chanting "Let's go Orange". We have the pre season ACC player of the year in CJ Fair and he can take over a game if we need someone in the clutch late in the game. We have Tyler Ennis who apparently has Ice 9 flowing through his veins and plays with the savy and maturity of a hardened veteran. He is one of the best point guards in the Nation... right now! We have 3 centers who have 15 fouls to give if need be. Rak has been playing his best basketball ever in recent games. We have Shakey Potatoes who will be draining 3's and commanding so much focus from the Nova players that opportunities are going to be opening up all over the place for everyone wearing Orange. We have Mr NBA bloodline himself in Jerami Grant who will be providing sports center highlight fodder for the balance of the weekend. We have THE ZONE which cannot be practiced for and cannot be simulated by the opposing team. We have James Arthur Boeheim who is not going to let Nova come into our house and emerge with a win. The master of half time adjustments will turn the knobs and pull the necessary levers to make sure we are the team that remains undefeated throughout the remainder of 2013.

So sit back and relax. This one is in the bag. Even if the game is close it will be just because we don't want to create an air of invincibility to the rest of the team that are on the upcoming schedule.
 
zeekay said:
Even if the series was 9-9 the bottom line is that anything that close is not acceptable. We are 'cuse and they are nova. We are supposed to be positioned way above them. It's all about the comparative perception of the programs. If we had let's say a 10-5 record against Binghamton over the last 15 years that would NOT be acceptable. If Binghamton were to have this imaginary 5-10 record against us, anyone can easily say they own us even though they only won 33% of the time. Numbers themselves are meaningless without context. Bottom line is most of the time Nova had way less talent than 'Cuse and still managed to win.

8-11 against a non-BCS school is pretty bad overall. I attribute it to Jay Wright winning a lot of the time with inferior talent due to his ability to coach against the zone well. Obviously this year they also have excellent talent so it will be extra tough.

Most coaches don't know how to coach against the zone (hello Indy) and so it's a non-issue. Nova and Pitt is always a grind though.
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jay wright was stacked for a few years hwne we were down. i for one think jay wright is not a good coach
 
dasher said:
Great coachs get to final fours. When dixon gets to a couple, maybe we can talk.
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It took Boeheim a decade to get to his first and another decade to get to his second. And some great coaches never get to one (e.g. John Chaney and Gene Keady).

I personally think Dixon is an excellent coach.
 
11-8 is an extremely good record vs Syracuse. How many other coaches are winning 58% of their games vs JAB?
 
eao1115 said:
It took Boeheim a decade to get to his first and another decade to get to his second. And some great coaches never get to one (e.g. John Chaney and Gene Keady).

I personally think Dixon is an excellent coach.
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I don't consider John Chaney or Gene Keady great coaches. Good yes, great, no.
 
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