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Extend Fran?

It's all about the buyout, in two ways.

1) I haven't seen it reported what another suitor would have to pay to poach Deion. If it's not a lot, it's just a raise but doesn't ensure security. That's a key component.

2) We got stuck with Dino for too long because his extension after the 2018 season made it hard to buy him out. Need to make that reasonable or see results long-term enough to not have to fear a one-year wonder.
 
orangemass said:
Is it too early? Deion got me thinking
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I think you need to see how this upcoming season is going.

Yes its a tough schedule but we should be able to see some progress on the field.

If we are punching above our weight class come early to mid October, you sign him to an extension IMO with a pretty sizeable buyout.

We probably would give him three years from this season to correct anything so having a large buyout is not the worst thing in the world. A bit different than the Dino situation.
 
JRHEETER said:
I think you need to see how this upcoming season is going.

Yes its a tough schedule but we should be able to see some progress on the field.

If we are punching above our weight class come early to mid October, you sign him to an extension IMO with a pretty sizeable buyout.

We probably would give him three years from this season to correct anything so having a large buyout is not the worst thing in the world. A bit different than the Dino situation.
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I think we need to temper our expectations for 2025. A much harder schedule. An unknown quarterback. An offensive line that is improving but "not there" yet.
 
Would I love to lock him to a lifetime contract, yes
Reality of it is you need to see how he does with the team year 2
He checks the recruiting box
He checks building a positive program

They left some meat on the bone and make some rookie coach mistakes.
You need to see how the adapt and change.
Was he just good because we had McCord or can he do well with others.
Many challenges this year and if he overcomes them I could see an extension.
 
LeMoyneCuse said:
It's all about the buyout, in two ways.

1) I haven't seen it reported what another suitor would have to pay to poach Deion. If it's not a lot, it's just a raise but doesn't ensure security. That's a key component.

2) We got stuck with Dino for too long because his extension after the 2018 season made it hard to buy him out. Need to make that reasonable or see results long-term enough to not have to fear a one-year wonder.
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If you cannot afford the buyout, you cannot offer the contract. That goes for every program.

Too many schools are stuck in these contracts. If a good HC wants to leave, your buyout won't keep him here. If another program really wants a HC, the buyout will not keep him here. The contracts do not protect the school, they protect the HC.

We need to reward good HCs with higher pay but at the same time protect the school. That is respecting the HC without hamstringing the program. If that means paying $1M more than you should short term to protect yourself long term, so be it. That is the situation we are in. So when the time comes, I rather offer Fran a $5M three year contract than a $4M six year contract.
 
dan7800 said:
At the time, we all wanted to give Dino the keys to the city. Hindsite is 20/20
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Dino never wanted to and was never going to make Syracuse his home. Dino wanted to go back West badly. He never invested in the community beyond the minimum. He was always out of here the minute the opportunity arrived. Fran on the other hand is from here. He has roots a few hours away. He is much younger and has a young family. He is invested here and in one year has done more in the community that Dino did during his entire run. I along with many on this board wanted Dino for life. He did great things in resurrecting our program and was by all accounts a very good man. He checked so many boxes other than the one that truly matters. He didn't and was never going to make Syracuse his home. That cannot be overcome. Fran as stated is the polar opposite. I believe that as long as he is supported by the community, he is all Syracuse. He doesn't want to leave. For him to leave would be very difficult. So, he checks the most important box for himself and his family. I hope that the administration realizes this and I hope that prior to whatever year JW decides to retire Fran is provided with a very long-term deal.
 
HRE Otto IV said:
If you cannot afford the buyout, you cannot offer the contract. That goes for every program.

Too many schools are stuck in these contracts. If a good HC wants to leave, your buyout won't keep him here. If another program really wants a HC, the buyout will not keep him here. The contracts do not protect the school, they protect the HC.

We need to reward good HCs with higher pay but at the same time protect the school. That is respecting the HC without hamstringing the program. If that means paying $1M more than you should short term to protect yourself long term, so be it. That is the situation we are in. So when the time comes, I rather offer Fran a $5M three year contract than a $4M six year contract.
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Not sure Fran would lock in for that long a term at only 4 million a year.
 
Eric15 said:
That's probably true to an extent. But it was still only one (wonderful) season with a generational talent for our standards at QB. We need more of a sample size. It's just basic due diligence.
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All the planets aligned last season. So much that maybe even Red could’ve coached the team to a winning season.

This season has the deck stacked against us. Let’s see how Fran responds. I’m still having a hard time accepting old McDonald as our preeminent LB.
 
Too soon.

Lost in the afterglow of 10 wins and the best passer in SU history was the fact that our defense ranked 12th in the ACC and special teams? No need to go there, right?

At the end of the day, it is true that it’s the wins that count and it doesn’t matter how you get there. If one unit more than offsets deficiencies elsewhere, it all works out just fine. Still, I want to see how Fran does in a year where he has to address those deficiencies while trying to keep the offense humming without McCord.
 
Dick_in_MI said:
Too soon.

Lost in the afterglow of 10 wins and the best passer in SU history was the fact that our defense ranked 12th in the ACC and special teams? No need to go there, right?

At the end of the day, it is true that it’s the wins that count and it doesn’t matter how you get there. If one unit more than offsets deficiencies elsewhere, it all works out just fine. Still, I want to see how Fran does in a year where he has to address those deficiencies while trying to keep the offense humming without McCord.
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Which is why I’m perplexed that we didn’t - or couldn’t - bring in more portal help to shore up immediate needs on defense, like at linebacker. I agree that you don’t want an over reliance on transfers, but the roster is still not built up to where it can survive without bandaids. If anything I would think they’d overspend bringing in some star talent on D realizing the offense is going to come back to earth.

And look, I know I’m going to get slapped for saying this, but it feels like Red was given the duties of handling the football portal this offseason. Compared to Fran’s stellar first season the situation just feels off.
 
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