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The issue here is, now they’re with kids.

I basically need about 10 channels, everything else I can live without.

I need the 4 networks (I’m old school), the ESPNs, The Disney’s, the Nickelodeon’s, YES and MSG.

While most of the tv shows I love are not on the networks, I willingly will trade them for my kids shows and my sports.

I don’t care to watch Syracuse rowing on the ACC Network.

This is dirty, now Disney is using kids as a shield...

Seems a pretty sound negotiating strategy. And while I might not care about rowing or field hockey on the ACCN, I do care about seeing Pitt/Syracuse football as the ACC game of the week on the ACCN.
 
Seems a pretty sound negotiating strategy. And while I might not care about rowing or field hockey on the ACCN, I do care about seeing Pitt/Syracuse football as the ACC game of the week on the ACCN.
It’s strong negotiating and the right thing to do, FIOS better bend over and take it.

I pay $300 a month for over a 1000 channels add this stupid one and make it $302 or whatever.
 
The issue here is, now they’re with kids.

I basically need about 10 channels, everything else I can live without.

I need the 4 networks (I’m old school), the ESPNs, The Disney’s, the Nickelodeon’s, YES and MSG.

While most of the tv shows I love are not on the networks, I willingly will trade them for my kids shows and my sports.

I don’t care to watch Syracuse rowing on the ACC Network.

This is dirty, now Disney is using kids as a shield...

This is why the ACC opted to partner with ESPN instead of doing what the B1G didm building a standalone network with Fox.

It isn't a coincidence the SEC Network is worth 4 times more than the B1G. No question the substandard product the B1G Network is stuck selling plays a big role in this but in this cord cutting age, you want to partner with the company most Americans find is a must have.

Good to see ESPN going to bat for the ACC.

SEC Network is the king of conference TV networks despite losing subscribers
 
Imagine a world with 2 channels and 2 customers. Then imagine a world where each customer will pay some amount for a channel that is not necessarily the same.

SCENARIO 1:

Person A will pay:
$11 for a bundle, or $10 for Channel X and $1 for Channel Y

Person B will pay:
$6 for a bundle, or $3 for Channel X and $3 for Channel Y

The bundle price will be $6, and both will buy, generating $12 in revenue. The unbundled price for Channel X will be $10 and $3 for Channel Y, creating a revenue of $13. $1 of potential revenue was LOST by bundling in that instance.

SCENARIO 2:

Person 1 will pay $6 for a bundle, or $1 for X and $5 for Y.

Person 2 will pay $6 for a bundle, or $5 for X and $1 for Y.

The bundle will sell for $6 and create $12 in revenue. Separately, the X will sell for $5 to one person, and Y will sell for $5 to one person, creating $10 in revenue. $2 of value was CREATED by the bundle.

The real would obviously has more channels and groups of people than just 2, but the basic idea remains unchanged. Cost savings from simplified negotiations aside, there is no one answer to whether bundling creates or destroys value. Additionally, without information that nobody on this forum has, there is no way to understand the extent to which value is created or destroyed in a given circumstance. THAT uncertainty and potential to destroy value is THE issue. It’s not consumer fatigue.

I grasp the economics concepts, although I’ll note you left out the critical customer willing to pay $0 for a given channel. Without that included, you’ve effectively shown an irrelevant “best case” scenario with no grounding in real-world realities.

Cord cutting is an indicator many customers are willing to pay less than the cheapest bundle offered, and are finding other alternatives. I’ll admit I’m unsure what media cord cutters consume - I’d assumed many stream using other people’s account info which should be a very solvable problem - but the fact companies haven’t solved it along with several anecdotal events make me question if a substantial enough percentage of consumers haven’t just abandoned conventional channels. Continuing to drive up the cost of the cheapest bundle is not going to slow down that trend of cord cutting, although it may alter the media consumption approach of the cord-cutter group.

I’d agree bundling and the approaches networks are taking is the best option they have available right now - that does not make it a good option. Like many of the systems/processes we’ve built up over the last eighty years in the US, the current system is floundering but no replacement is available - the only question now is what triggers the cascade failure. On the positive side, I’m 100% certain it will not be cable bundling.
 
Just so posters get an idea of what's at stake, of the 40 football home games over the past 6 seasons (including the 2 Meadowlands games against ND), at least 25 of them would have been ACCN exclusives had it been up and operating and that is assuming the two ESPNU games (one vs Pitt and the other vs VT) wouldn't have been pushed to the ACCN as well.

Checking out Rutgers' schedule (and yes I feel dirty just saying that ), of their 34 home games over the past 5 seasons 23 of them were on BTN. One might think that the distribution might have been heavily in the first three seasons but instead over half of the BTN appearances have been in the last two years versus the previous three seasons.

Cheers,
Neil
 
In the very short term, it probably is. The issue is that this card has been played so many times to extract money from consumers with no interest in a specific product (like ESPN) because it’s part of a package which contains what they want, that bundling has gone from a decent arrangement to a bad one for consumers. It’s not the lone cause of cable cutting - but it’s a contributor.

The strategy is to continue the same tactics...but that’s not really a viable long term strategy.
I agree - people are cutting the cord by the thousands and Disney is getting increases?
 
Just so posters get an idea of what's at stake, of the 40 football home games over the past 6 seasons (including the 2 Meadowlands games against ND), at least 25 of them would have been ACCN exclusives had it been up and operating and that is assuming the two ESPNU games (one vs Pitt and the other vs VT) wouldn't have been pushed to the ACCN as well.

Checking out Rutgers' schedule (and yes I feel dirty just saying that ), of their 34 home games over the past 5 seasons 23 of them were on BTN. One might think that the distribution might have been heavily in the first three seasons but instead over half of the BTN appearances have been in the last two years versus the previous three seasons.

Cheers,
Neil

Stop whatever you're doing and go take a shower NOW!
 
I grasp the economics concepts, although I’ll note you left out the critical customer willing to pay $0 for a given channel. Without that included, you’ve effectively shown an irrelevant “best case” scenario with no grounding in real-world realities.

Cord cutting is an indicator many customers are willing to pay less than the cheapest bundle offered, and are finding other alternatives. I’ll admit I’m unsure what media cord cutters consume - I’d assumed many stream using other people’s account info which should be a very solvable problem - but the fact companies haven’t solved it along with several anecdotal events make me question if a substantial enough percentage of consumers haven’t just abandoned conventional channels. Continuing to drive up the cost of the cheapest bundle is not going to slow down that trend of cord cutting, although it may alter the media consumption approach of the cord-cutter group.

I’d agree bundling and the approaches networks are taking is the best option they have available right now - that does not make it a good option. Like many of the systems/processes we’ve built up over the last eighty years in the US, the current system is floundering but no replacement is available - the only question now is what triggers the cascade failure. On the positive side, I’m 100% certain it will not be cable bundling.
1. Nobody is forced to pay for something that they don’t want. If you think otherwise, I don’t think that you understand the underlying economics of the transaction. Sure, people might have to pay more for the channels that they do want due to a change in an asset’s price elasticity in a given geography, but that situation absolutely fits into my example. Please give me a fact pattern if you feel otherwise, and I’ll either explain how it fits my model, or I’ll change my position.
2. People who aren’t willing to pay for cable at all aren’t relevant to cable pricing discussions. Admittedly, I think that I’m taking what you wrote out of context on this point, so it’s more directed at the general audience than you specifically.
3. It’s my hypothetical. I didn’t leave anyone out. Come up with your own hypothetical and you can include anyone that you want (see the end of pt 1)
4. I’m not sure what the relevance to your comment about cord cutting is to my position, but I’d definitely agree the cable prices are insane, which is causing people to leave. I cannot say whether or not that pricing strategy is a good move. I can, however, say that a company can maximize short term profitability why increasing prices if they sell inelastic goods (enough revenue is generated by the sticking customers who are paying more to offset the ones that are leaving), but I have no idea if that’s the case or not. I also don’t know how to accurately determine the net present value of customer lifetime value in the cable industry, and I’m guessing that they don’t either. Still, I’m confident that it’s some number greater than $0, which would mean that making decisions solely to maximize short term profitability is probably a bad idea.
(I think that we agree.)
5. I’m not sure how to respond to your macro point at the end, but bundling is a fairly engenious pricing mechanism that is absolutely not becoming obsolete. Depending on how theoretical you want to get, its used in some form or other in virtually every industry. McDonald’s meals (burger + fries + coke) are a great example. Additionally, while liberal democracies can be painfully inefficient during normalcy and exceedingly impersonal at times, the combination of a democratic government and a capitalist economy is an exceptionally powerful motivating force that responds to emergencies with an unmatched efficacy.
 
I’m willingness to pay.

Give me that goddamn option.

Not having that option, IS the damn problem.
 
Just so posters get an idea of what's at stake, of the 40 football home games over the past 6 seasons (including the 2 Meadowlands games against ND), at least 25 of them would have been ACCN exclusives had it been up and operating and that is assuming the two ESPNU games (one vs Pitt and the other vs VT) wouldn't have been pushed to the ACCN as well.

Checking out Rutgers' schedule (and yes I feel dirty just saying that ), of their 34 home games over the past 5 seasons 23 of them were on BTN. One might think that the distribution might have been heavily in the first three seasons but instead over half of the BTN appearances have been in the last two years versus the previous three seasons.

Cheers,
Neil
One nice thing is that the advent of the ACC Network is going to greatly reduce the number of games that start at noon. ESPN is going to televise games on it that would have been RSN or ACC Network Extra games in the past. I expect a lot more 3:30 pm and 7 pm games.

Great for those of us that like to tailgate. And golf.
 
One nice thing is that the advent of the ACC Network is going to greatly reduce the number of games that start at noon. ESPN is going to televise games on it that would have been RSN or ACC Network Extra games in the past. I expect a lot more 3:30 pm and 7 pm games.

Great for those of us that like to tailgate. And golf.
Especially 7 PM games! It's been a long time since we hosted a straight-out night game on a Saturday.
 
One nice thing is that the advent of the ACC Network is going to greatly reduce the number of games that start at noon. ESPN is going to televise games on it that would have been RSN or ACC Network Extra games in the past. I expect a lot more 3:30 pm and 7 pm games.

Great for those of us that like to tailgate. And golf.

Also, both the SECN and BTN this past year had a Thursday Evening game prior to Labor Day Weekend. I seem to recall some on this board suggesting that could be a nice option for a Syracuse home game against an FCS opponent.

Cheers,
Neil
 
I agree - people are cutting the cord by the thousands and Disney is getting increases?

I wonder if people who aren't cutting the cord have more disposable income? (I know nothing about the cable business or demographics)
 
I wonder if people who aren't cutting the cord have more disposable income? (I know nothing about the cable business or demographics)
One factor is the availability of a high-speed broadband internet connection. I think this may be more of a urban/suburban vs. rural split. A lot of rural areas are trying to get high speed connections brought into their areas to attract industry, etc. It's hard to imagine a Sling or Roku device working very well off DSL or an internet connection with speeds similar to the ones that first came out.

One thing that tends to be overlooked in the cord cutting discussion and really shouldn't be is the convenience of paying one bill for everything. For many of us, 3 different bills (for phone, internet, and TV) are really invisible because of autopay arrangements. For a lot of people it's not that easy for them to do.
 
I wonder if people who aren't cutting the cord have more disposable income? (I know nothing about the cable business or demographics)
Non tech savvy folks.
 
Non tech savvy folks.

Eh - I have Hulu+, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Youtube Premium (Cobra Kai was awesome and I just never got around to cancelling) a hacked fire stick and Apple TV. I'm fairly tech savvy, but haven't considered cutting the cord because of live sports. And even though streaming quality for sports isn't terrible, it doesn't compare to the quality that fios TV offers
 
'Ahead of the curve': How Duke is readying for the start of the ACC Network era

'Ahead of the curve': How Duke is readying for the start of the ACC Network era
By Mitchell Gladstone | 02/27/2019



Only a few years ago, Wallace Wade Stadium still felt barren. The running track around the field was gone, but with what looked like little more than a few trailers atop the the stands on the home sideline, the home of Duke football was incomplete.

Fast forward to the start of the 2016 season, a glistening Blue Devil Tower opened to the public. And for all the club areas and luxury seating inside, the Tower was also the start of a new era for broadcasting at Duke. Just a few months earlier, the ACC had announced the launch of its own linear channel, the ACC Network, but few outsiders knew what that would mean for the conference's 15 member schools.

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Kevin White, Duke vice president and director of athletics, had made sure his university was going to be out in front.

"We heard the buzz about the ACC Network happening, and we were ahead of the curve," Chad Lampman, executive director of Blue Devil Network, said. "It was us, Florida State, Clemson and North Carolina that had a control room—this was 2013. We were going to keep up with them in order to do an ESPN3 show. And then, we were the first ones to dive into construction, but it was a perfect storm with everything we were doing."

Nestled up on the fourth floor of Blue Devil Tower is the future of Duke Athletics for the entire world to see.
Getting off the ground

The Atlantic Coast Conference was far from the first league to put together a linear television channel. Big Ten Network was announced in 2006 before fully coming online in 2007. The Pac-12 Network was next, launching in 2012.

ESPN then wanted to get some skin in the game after its initial deal with the Big Ten fell apart, so it partnered with the Southeastern Conference in 2014 to launch the SEC Network, headquartered at the Worldwide Leader's Charlotte offices.

Granted, each of those leagues had something the ACC did not—a big-time football reputation. Before 2013, the conference had won just one national title on the gridiron in the previous 20 seasons.

The ACC had, however, developed a reputation in a number of other sports. Men's basketball, without a doubt, was the conference's centerpiece, and soccer and lacrosse weren't far behind.

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White, the chairman of the ACC's television committee and a member of the NCAA's men's basketball selection committee, knew the league was overdue for its own network.

"There’s an inter-market—and that’s the 11 states that have institutions and 52 percent of the national television audience—but then there’s this thing called the outer-market that covers the rest of the country," White said. "I actually think that with our basketball, we really have a chance to have some impact in the outer-market more than some of the other conferences within the Power 5."

Unlike the SEC, few schools in the ACC were ready to make the linear channel happen, at least in terms of technology. Whereas the SEC spent about $30 million total to gear up for its network launch, the ACC's members will spend somewhere in the range of $6 million to $10 million per school, according to Sports Business Journal.

At the time of the announcement, Duke's Blue Devil Network had little more than a small production trailer that got wheeled around campus for different sporting events. And only a few years prior, when Lampman was hired in 2010, BDN's entire staff consisted of him and an intern that was shared with Duke's sports information department.

Now, Lampman handles a staff of 11, including Dave Harding—a former Blue Devil football captain—who currently serves as the color commentator on football radio broadcasts and runs the digital side of BDN.

"It was a little different than it is now," Lampman said with a laugh.
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Courtesy of Duke Today Ryan Craig serves as Duke's in-house host during football season, but also works play-by-play broadcasts for several other sports, including lacrosse. End of an era

If you looked up toward the rafters at Cameron Indoor Stadium during the Feb. 20 game between Duke and North Carolina, you probably noticed Dan Shulman and Jay Bilas in the crow's nest, handling the television broadcast for ESPN.

But just a couple of sections over in the corner, there was another set of announcers, as Tim Brando and former Blue Devil Mike Gminski covered the game for Raycom Sports.

The network, which syndicates games nationwide but primarily reaches areas within the Southeast, will go off the air once the ACC Network takes over in August. Raycom got the conference's television rights in its first year, back in 1979, and was a major reason why the ACC was able to establish itself as a basketball power.

"Nobody in the country had primetime TV [for college basketball]," Duke head coach Mike Krzyzewski said. "To give our sport that exposure at the time has led to the exposure we have today, and it's kept us ahead."

The ACC Network does not have all of the contracts in place just yet to be in nearly every household like ESPN or other cable channels. It does, however, have exclusive events that should eventually attract subscribers—the channel's first football game will feature defending national champion Clemson as it hosts Georgia Tech.

On top of football, the network will televise a total of approximately 1,300 sporting events per year, and its start will be boosted by an expanded men's basketball schedule as the ACC will jump from 18 to 20 league games beginning next season.

"It’s going to raise our awareness around the entire country, not just our immediate footprint, and it’s going to generate a lot of resources for the Olympic sports," White said. "That’s where a lot of the resources will be dedicated and that’s where they’re needed. On top of that, it gives the opportunity for those Olympic sports to get on television, and it will impact recruiting, and it’ll pave the way for us to become more competitive. That’s what we want."
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Courtesy of Duke Today Duke has its setup for baseball at Jack Coombs Stadium, but there's a hangup with the Durham Bulls Athletic Park in downtown Durham—the only facility that isn't ready for ACC Network's launch in August. Work left to do

All 15 member schools, as Lampman explains, will be ready to go once the network goes live in August.

That doesn't mean it took the same amount of time, effort and money to get there.

Duke had the benefit of advanced knowledge. The University unveiled Kennedy Tower, the centerpiece of the Olympic sport projects, back in 2015, allowing for full TV coverage of soccer, lacrosse and track and field for both men and women. It also took advantage of its athletic complex construction plans to add all the necessary cabling to bring high-definition broadcasts from all over campus back to the hub inside Blue Devil Tower.

Pittsburgh brought in an outside broadcast company to help put all the pieces in place. Notre Dame's athletic department partnered with its university side of things to work out of a shared "command center." Wake Forest and Boston College, on the other hand, have just one control room apiece.

Duke's setup might not be perfect, but it's as good as any in the league.

"I don’t want to use it as an excuse, but we used to have a trailer, and that trailer could only be at one place at one time," Lampman said. "Now we have three control rooms, so we can do a lot more, but that’s more pressure on us to do a lot more... For our sports, it’s opened up opportunities to get on different platforms like ESPNU because we can provide that now and save ESPN money of not having to bring a truck in. We can be the truck."

Not everything is complete, though. Duke is still working through some difficulties with the City of Durham as it tries to figure out how to lay the fiber so that it can broadcast games with the same quality from the Durham Bulls Athletic Park, which sits about three miles away. There's also the issue of staffing—Lampman said he hopes to bring in two more full-time employees to help with all aspects of broadcast coverage before the start of next year.

But as part of the ACC Network deal, the league locked in its TV rights with ESPN through the 2035-36 academic year. For all the minor bumps that have come along the way, Duke and the ACC are in a position of financial security, and both are poised to take another major step in just six months.

"The advent of the channel will be historic and very big," White said. "Not just in resources but also in raising awareness of the conference. It’s going to be priceless, it’s going to be really great, and so, I don’t know if the conference has ever been healthier."
 
I'm just hoping that accn is still available on sling... Sling was the cheapest I found, and it was only $5 to add the SEC network, along with a ton of other CFB content.

If not, I certainly hope that there is an alacarte price, instead of being forced to buy 100 channels I will never watch, just to get 1 network .
 
I'm just hoping that accn is still available on sling... Sling was the cheapest I found, and it was only $5 to add the SEC network, along with a ton of other CFB content.

If not, I certainly hope that there is an alacarte price, instead of being forced to buy 100 channels I will never watch, just to get 1 network .
The ACC announced it reached agreement for distribution with streaming services partners a while ago, but not which specific ones.

I would be really surprised if the ACC Network is not available on any major streaming service come August. If these streaming services want ESPN or ABC/Disney, they are going to have to add the ACC Network as well.

This is one of the many reasons why it was wise for the ACC to partner with ESPN. Unlike say the Pac 12...
 
The ACC announced it reached agreement for distribution with streaming services partners a while ago, but not which specific ones.

I would be really surprised if the ACC Network is not available on any major streaming service come August. If these streaming services want ESPN or ABC/Disney, they are going to have to add the ACC Network as well.

This is one of the many reasons why it was wise for the ACC to partner with ESPN. Unlike say the Pac 12...
Sling had 3 ESPN's and the accn, last year. This will be the real Accn, though. Great to see if that continues. Even if it's $5 to add the accn it's a bargain, because I got another handful of channels streaming CFB , when I added the SEC network/ espnU/plus.

Last year, Raycom games were the toughest to find, not living anywhere near Cuse. Have to guess that those games won't be available on the ACCN . Kinda stinks. My fingers are still crossed that it would be like the NFL package, but I'm guessing that would come at a steep price.
 
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Even if carriers don’t pick it up it will be on WatchESPN right?
 
I cut the cord and went to Hulu, I actually get 40 channels I watch and some upgrades over my old Fios package like the GOLF network. So far I’ve enjoyed it and I won’t go back to cable. I would guess the ACCN will be on Hulu as it already has the sec network and the big ten network.
 
Even if carriers don’t pick it up it will be on WatchESPN right?
This is what I need to know. If I cut Fios, but subscribe to say Hulu live or youtubetv or sling, and have the espn options, will I at the very least be able to stream accn stuff? I reached out to someone involved and he’s trying to get me a definitive answer.
 
This is what I need to know. If I cut Fios, but subscribe to say Hulu live or youtubetv or sling, and have the espn options, will I at the very least be able to stream accn stuff? I reached out to someone involved and he’s trying to get me a definitive answer.
Let me know what u find out
 
I cut the cord and went to Hulu, I actually get 40 channels I watch and some upgrades over my old Fios package like the GOLF network. So far I’ve enjoyed it and I won’t go back to cable. I would guess the ACCN will be on Hulu as it already has the sec network and the big ten network.

I did that for a couple years. Then my internet provider charged more for internet and made the cable option the same price as Sling. For the same money (cable v. Sling) I get many more sports channels (and a tone more crap!). My internet service is over [riced, but I have to have it regardless.
 

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