Fan support and making the program more successful

[OttoinGrotto]

Lets be real here - If the basketball team hit a multi-year sustained stretch of poor play and down seasons, attendance would drop heavily. That is what has happened with football. We find a way to stop nut punching the fans every time we have a chance to "turn the corner" at home and this will happen. Every single year there is a game where we have a chance to snowball attendance, and the team just lays the fattest, stinkiest deuce all over the field. This is problem #1. When the casual fans finally show up after a year or two and get a steaming pile of poo, they run away for another year or two. We need to give them something to talk and chat about and then more people will come. Success begets success, and lately we haven't had much begetting to be had.

Yep.

Being #hardnosed doesn't provide much defense against #nutpunch.

 

[tipphill]

It's your money - and they certainly haven't earned our support with wins on the field or high level competence in the AD - but I'm all in no matter what. To me, that's what "bleeding orange" actually means.

Plus - the staff and players are worthy of our support. They work hard and have earned the mulligan for last season. I think we will see something special in the dome this year.

my comments were a result of how the ad and university conducts themselves in relation to the fans, which somewhat exploits the loyalty of the fans, at the expense of the fans, not about the players and staff. god knows they have operated on shoe string. i find the treatment and propaganda spewed , insults my intelligence, and have had enough of it. i will still attend some games just not with the same expectations for improvement as i previously had. perhaps those were unrealistic expectations on my part so i am "tempering" them. strangely, i had more confidence when maronne was here as he was more reserved,business like and not ra ra all over the place. i trusted that approach more.---just my preference

 

[SU2NASA]

Every single year there is a game where we have a chance to snowball attendance, and the team just lays the fattest, stinkiest deuce all over the field.

I hope it can one day snowball into something that catches fire.

 

[tipphill]

I have had season basketball tickets with my father, and then my own for 30 years. I have gone to football games as a child and teen with my father at Archbold and the Dome, and continued to do so as a young adult. (Retail made it tough however). Since leaving retail in 2006, I've had my own football season tickets, and have missed three home games. In 44 years of life, I have attended only one road football game at Army, and one KIck-off Classic at the meadowlands. And for basketball, I have missed my share due to work and children (life), and have never been to a BE tournament or any road game for that matter. And money has a hand in that. I'm lucky to have the seasons I have. Spring games and midnight madness, hardwood club dinners, and fan fest... I make those most of time. I never miss a road game on TV, and I'd typically put my passion for SU FB AND BB, up against anyone's. But I, apparently, am not a fan.

been there--not done that as well as you--thank you

 

[OrangeAl]

i hate to say it,but i will drop seasons this year. my son and i have had 2 seasons tics for the past sevreal years in the $300 range. before that, i went to usually 3-4 games a year since forever. i have said in the past i would do this and never did. last season finished me in terms of frustration with program, and the perpetual koolaid that occurs from su every year. i will possibly go to one of the mini packages or just select games. have been to both pinstripe bowls, games at the "meadowlands" including nd and psu and kickoff classic. all that is simply to say i have never been a fair weather fan.(1st su game in 1961). i bleed orange, but in my senior years(66) i have decided to make my small "statement"by not renewing. i travel from bethlehem pa to games, and visit family still in syracuse(raised on tipphill). for the past few years i have been saying i would do this and never did. now i have firmly decided this, and believe it or not i feel somewhat liberated, and not held emotionally hostage by the AD. i am not an alum, although daughter got jd/mpa from su,so i've paid a few bucks. i am just a passionate old "townie", you know the type, the ones who primarily fill the majority of seats in the dome!!! i'm not encouraging anyone else to do this at all, just relating my own perspective re su football. ---go orangemen---

Wait a second - haven't you been swearing off SU sports for the last three years? Are you finally serious about it?

 

[tipphill]

Wait a second - haven't you been swearing off SU sports for the last three years? Are you finally serious about it?

yes, as i said, finally taking the plunge. swearing off is a bit strong, just swearing off season ticket, i cannot swear off altogether or i would have to go into a detox program for syracuse addicts

 

[xc84]

i hate to say it,but i will drop seasons this year. my son and i have had 2 seasons tics for the past sevreal years in the $300 range. before that, i went to usually 3-4 games a year since forever. i have said in the past i would do this and never did. last season finished me in terms of frustration with program, and the perpetual koolaid that occurs from su every year. i will possibly go to one of the mini packages or just select games. have been to both pinstripe bowls, games at the "meadowlands" including nd and psu and kickoff classic. all that is simply to say i have never been a fair weather fan.(1st su game in 1961). i bleed orange, but in my senior years(66) i have decided to make my small "statement"by not renewing. i travel from bethlehem pa to games, and visit family still in syracuse(raised on tipphill). for the past few years i have been saying i would do this and never did. now i have firmly decided this, and believe it or not i feel somewhat liberated, and not held emotionally hostage by the AD. i am not an alum, although daughter got jd/mpa from su,so i've paid a few bucks. i am just a passionate old "townie", you know the type, the ones who primarily fill the majority of seats in the dome!!! i'm not encouraging anyone else to do this at all, just relating my own perspective re su football. ---go orangemen---

So what will it take to get you back? Seat cushions? New uniforms? Painting things orange? High flying offense? Wider corridors? Consistently winning seasons?

 

[SUFaninNJ]

So what will it take to get you back? Seat cushions? New uniforms? Painting things orange? High flying offense? Wider corridors? Consistently winning seasons?

You forgot retractable roof

 

[OrangeinBoston]

This must be the millionth time this topic has been discussed on this forum in one way or another. Forget the food choices, forget the softer seats for those tender fannies, forget the realtime streaming of out-of-town scores, the only thing that matters, the ONLY thing that will get fans in the seats, is WINNING!

 

[storange]

How the fans are treated starts with how the Athletic Department is run. Things like moving attractive games to New Jersey, a lackluster gameday atmosphere, and what comes across as running an amateurish operation doesn't help. The school does a terrible job generating excitement.

This program has bigger problems than fans showing up.

The game day atmosphere is just fine, Its not the worlds largest cocktail party but the hundreds of smaller tailgates are filled with people having a great time on Saturdays on the hill.

 

[SU2NASA]

The game day atmosphere is just fine, Its not the worlds largest cocktail party but the hundreds of smaller tailgates are filled with people having a great time on Saturdays on the hill.

When we come up, we roll the grill, cooler, etc. and set up shop on the quad. For a nooner, if we're on thew quad at 8am, we're the only people there.

Our tailgating is embarrassing. That's been the first impression of anyone that's joined us that didn't go to SU.

 

[storange]

When we come up, we roll the grill, cooler, etc. and set up shop on the quad. For a nooner, if we're on thew quad at 8am, we're the only people there.

Our tailgating is embarrassing. That's been the first impression of anyone that's joined us that didn't go to SU.

I tailgate on the corner of Adams and Crouse. Have a great time. And in the 90s when we were somewhat relevant it was even better.

 

[jr4750]

Lets be real here - If the basketball team hit a multi-year sustained stretch of poor play and down seasons, attendance would drop heavily. That is what has happened with football. We find a way to stop nut punching the fans every time we have a chance to "turn the corner" at home and this will happen. Every single year there is a game where we have a chance to snowball attendance, and the team just lays the fattest, stinkiest deuce all over the field. This is problem #1. When the casual fans finally show up after a year or two and get a steaming pile of poo, they run away for another year or two. We need to give them something to talk and chat about and then more people will come. Success begets success, and lately we haven't had much begetting to be had.

amen, that is exactly it. nut punch every year in football! One awesome year with a few big wins and attendance would jump.

 

[anomander]

I tailgate on the corner of Adams and Crouse. Have a great time. And in the 90s when we were somewhat relevant it was even better.

It is definitely a bit more lively down there, but even for the early starts it's a bit dull.

I do think a better tailgate scene would have a positive impact on attendance/fan support. I'd assume a lot of those "fans" that go to games at the big time tailgate schools are just there for the party. But hey whatever gets fans in the door. If the school wanted they could open up the campus for tailgaters like most of the schools down South do.

All I know is we need to have a strong bounce back year. I don't know if this fanbase can take another plunge back to a non-bowl program. At this point of the rebuild process a 3 win season is unacceptable. It no longer feels like we are on that upward trajectory. I hope Shafer can change that this upcoming season, but i'm worried, and I have had 2015 pegged as our "breakout" season for a couple years now. The fanbase really needs to see something this year, if anyone does, the die-hards deserve it.

 

[Scooch]

Fans make the game day atmosphere. Not sure why SU takes the blame there.

 

[SU2NASA]

Fans make the game day atmosphere. Not sure why SU takes the blame there.

Because they've killed any semblance of tradition we have and the dome has become an ad-fest. A game at the dome has more in common with a mid-season NBA game than it does college football.

SU's AD is like a multi-decade Dave Brandon. They just don't get what makes college football great.

 

[Scooch]

Because they've killed any semblance of tradition we have and the dome has become an ad-fest. A game at the dome has more in common with a mid-season NBA game than it does college football. SU's AD is like a multi-decade Dave Brandon. They just don't get what makes college football great.

That's fair, but I think it's also right to differentiate between the in-game experience and the pre-game experience. It's not SU's fault that our fans suck at tailgating.

 

[DoubleDee]

That's fair, but I think it's also right to differentiate between the in-game experience and the pre-game experience. It's not SU's fault that our fans suck at tailgating.

Oh boy, I know what's coming next

 

[tipphill]

So what will it take to get you back? Seat cushions? New uniforms? Painting things orange? High flying offense? Wider corridors? Consistently winning seasons?

a winning of course, and a sense that hcss has matured into the position. i really dont care about the bells and whistles ----when they are winning ,game day takes on whole different atmosphere. would like a retractable roof for two or three games that are played in the sunshinebut lived w/o a roof through the archbold years.

 

[tipphill]

When we come up, we roll the grill, cooler, etc. and set up shop on the quad. For a nooner, if we're on thew quad at 8am, we're the only people there.

Our tailgating is embarrassing. That's been the first impression of anyone that's joined us that didn't go to SU.

i would love to have the "quad" experience --just once. we usually tailgate at manley, now at skytop, and a couple of times at suny (niece has a parking pass). i am not an alumni, (daughter got jd/mpa from su ) just a fan since 1960 any time you want i can bring --pierorgies, pork roll,egg and cheese (i prefer pork roll, onion cheese sandwiches--cooked fresh on the grill--its a jersey thing and its great) i come from bethlehem pa(via tipphill born and raised) usually the day before the game --IF INVITED --will bring necessary accoutrements. WILL NOT provide twin trees 1 pizza -- I RESERVE ,that for my family and i post game(with wings)

 

[SU2NASA]

i would love to have the "quad" experience --just once. we usually tailgate at manley, now at skytop, and a couple of times at suny (niece has a parking pass). i am not an alumni, (daughter got jd/mpa from su ) just a fan since 1960 any time you want i can bring --pierorgies, pork roll,egg and cheese (i prefer pork roll, onion cheese sandwiches--cooked fresh on the grill--its a jersey thing and its great) i come from bethlehem pa(via tipphill born and raised) usually the day before the game --IF INVITED --will bring necessary accoutrements. WILL NOT provide twin trees 1 pizza -- I RESERVE ,that for my family and i post game(with wings)

I'd love to see the university get rid of all of the tents they put up and open up the quad to a tailgating free-for-all. Let students camp out, allow grills, open containers, etc.

 

[Bambrewer]

I'd love to see the university get rid of all of the tents they put up and open up the quad to a tailgating free-for-all. Let students camp out, allow grills, open containers, etc.

When we were up there ...forgive me i forgot the name of the area...but we went on a tour and there was an area that they said they are changing to open up a whole new area for tailgating. There was a large what looked like a park or common. Is this new or was he just talking about something thats already done?

 

[xc84]

When we were up there ...forgive me i forgot the name of the area...but we went on a tour and there was an area that they said they are changing to open up a whole new area for tailgating. There was a large what looked like a park or common. Is this new or was he just talking about something thats already done?

Wonder if it is Walnut Park. That's the first place I ever tailgated. Was great.

 

[rrlbees]

I'd love to see the university get rid of all of the tents they put up and open up the quad to a tailgating free-for-all. Let students camp out, allow grills, open containers, etc.

It's not tailgating without vehicles. It's a picnic.

 

[tipphill]

It's not tailgating without vehicles. It's a picnic.

well then --i like picnics too! and any get together that has a group of su fans