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[Zelda Zonk]

Which is why what he says lends honest incite into what he is thinking, which may be even more concerning. A coach and players should never go into a game thinking they don't have a chance. Fans shouldn't be told they can't expect to have a chance against what should be a peer program.

I'm surprised this post didn't get flagged and deleted. You take this type of discussion to the double top-secret 'other' forum, sir.

 

[Scotch]

I bet Buddy and Joe shoot better at practice than anyone we’ve had recently. Other than maybe White. The two of them would probably put on a show in a 3 point shooting contest.

But having consistency in games isn’t exactly the same skill set. And it just hasn’t happened yet. Sure, some games against some defenses, it pops. But as you’re showing, it’s not consistent at all. And when it’s off, it crushes our offense.

But now we know we’re stuck with it, because they have to stay in there in the off chance they heat up.

Agreed. They should be catch and shoot guys. Joe should never run point on an ACC team and Buddy should never be asked to create off the dribble, but here we are.

 

[Todoubled23]

I've been debating whether to post this, but seems like the right thread for it...

I think the best three point shooter we've had in the past 10 years was probably Andrew White. I wanted to see how good *and* consistent he was.

I looked at games where he took 5 or more three point attempts (I figure anything less than that gets kind of fluky), and then broke that into (a) great = made 40% or more, (b) OK = made 33-39%, and (c) bad = under 33%.

There were 31 games in 2016-17 where White took 5+ three-point attempts (out of 34 games total), and he was great in 15 of them, OK in 8, and bad in 8.

Result = 74% of the time he was great/OK, and 26% of the time he was bad.


Then there's Buddy. I looked at last season, and this season-to-date. 43 games in total for him, 39 where he took 5+ three point attempts.

Great = 14, OK = 6, bad = 19.

Result = 51% of the time he's been great/OK, 49% of the time he's been bad. Nineteen times, almost half of games, he's shot under 33% from three. Far too much volatility.

I don't like to pile on, and I'll say yet again that Buddy is not the biggest problem with the team. But he is just not nearly the elite gunner that people make him out to be. And he's not "a little off". He's a streaky shooter who, about one-third of the time, goes off. The problem is that half the time he's sub-par to ice cold. He doesn't have the floor that our elite three point shooters have had, historically.

Gonna see if IBKR can locate me some buddy shares to short.

 

[Scooch]

I bet Buddy and Joe shoot better at practice than anyone we’ve had recently. Other than maybe White. The two of them would probably put on a show in a 3 point shooting contest.

But having consistency in games isn’t exactly the same skill set. And it just hasn’t happened yet. Sure, some games against some defenses, it pops. But as you’re showing, it’s not consistent at all. And when it’s off, it crushes our offense.

But now we know we’re stuck with it, because they have to stay in there in the off chance they heat up.

Agreed. And Buddy shoots more than any SU player of the past 10 years, save for Tyus Battle. Which makes his off nights even more crippling, because he shoots a ton.

Between this season and last, Buddy shot 10 or more three pointers in 12 games, but he made under 33% of those attempts in 6 of them. Half the time.

Joe's the same -- 9 games with 10 or more attempts, 5 games hitting less than 33%.

For White, it was just 2 out of 10 games shooting that poorly with that many attempts.

The O just can't survive these guys chucking soooo many shots and missing a ton so often. We can't overcome that volume and inefficiency.

 

[Scooch]

Gonna see if IBKR can locate me some buddy shares to short.

I like Buddy and he can be a great asset to the team. He's just being put in a lousy spot by the head coach.

 

[sufandu]

I'm surprised this post didn't get flagged and deleted. You take this type of discussion to the double top-secret 'other' forum, sir.

Oops. Good catch. I'll change it.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Oops. Good catch. I'll change it.

I was just joking. I'm sure it would have been ignored if noticed.

 

[sufandu]

I was just joking. I'm sure it would have been ignored if noticed.

I know, that's why I gave you a 'laugh'. I'm constantly going back to change my typos and mistakes when I notice them.

 

[Oakland]

I can both remember random Sports statistics(such as a player’s ppg average) and moments from 20-30 years ago, and also not remember what I had for dinner two nights ago.

I can remember that Eric Pratt wrestled in the 177 lb weight class for W Genesee in 1970 but continually forget if necessary has one or two c's.