For as much as people complain about our OOC scheduling...

[721Comstock]

Really? What's BC's perception on these national scene right now? I'm not throwing shade, I'm noting that it seems that for some schools going to a lot of mediocre bowls doesn't propel them onto anything better.

Certainly better than ours.
We can't even achieve that level of consistent mediocrity.

 

[Scooch]

Well our coach quit and our AD screwed up the new hire, etc...

For sure. But then that gets back to the issue that our OOC schedule was constructed for either Marrone year 7 and 8 or Mr. Continuity year 4 and 5.

 

[Scooch]

Certainly better than ours.
We can't even achieve that level of consistent mediocrity.

That's fine. I'd argue they are totally irrelevant and so are we.

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[Bayside44]

For sure. But then that gets back to the issue that our OOC schedule was constructed for either Marrone year 7 and 8 or Mr. Continuity year 4 and 5.

Honestly I don't know when it was made.

I think my overarching issue is this sort of putdown on the non-glamor ACC teams, that are all basically very good as being unworthy of Joe CNYers not wanting to treck to the Dome to watch the game. Take the other wins when we can.

We need the wins and the bowls. I loved the 90s scheduling too but the game has tilted since then.

 

[721Comstock]

That's fine. I'd argue they are totally irrelevant and so are we.

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So - why even bother trying to geting into mediocre bowl games, when it's more entertaining to lose to elite P5 programs in the OOC?

4-8 and 5-7 with some hard-fought losses to good P5's, is better than 6-6 and a bowl game?
Mmmmkay. :blah::blah:
I'm sure that goes over big with the recruits.

 

[Scooch]

Honestly I don't know when it was made.

I think my overarching issue is this sort of putdown on the non-glamor ACC teams, that are all basically very good as being unworthy of Joe CNYers not wanting to treck to the Dome to watch the game. Take the other wins when we can.

We need the wins and the bowls. I loved the 90s scheduling too but the game has tilted since then.

Yeah, in retrospect I think those 90s schedules were insane. And today's aren't even close to as difficult. But we got LSU next season and Wiscy 4 years away. Our OOC schedule isn't going to determine our future. Still wish we were in the Coastal though.

 

[Scooch]

So - why even bother trying to geting into mediocre bowl games, when it's more entertaining to lose to elite P5 programs in the OOC?

4-8 and 5-7 with some hard-fought losses to good P5's, is better than 6-6 and a bowl game?
Mmmmkay. :blah::blah:
I'm sure that goes over big with the recruits.

Nah, it's entertaining to beat good teams.

And recruits dig the big name OOC schedule. They say so.

 

[OrangeDW]

Nah, it's entertaining to beat good teams.

And recruits dig the big name OOC schedule. They say so.

Recruits probably don't dig losing and having half our starters on the injured list while we play out the string though. Nobody does.

 

[721Comstock]

Nah, it's entertaining to beat good teams.

When was the last time we actually did that?? Beat a good team in the OOC?
Nebraska was over 3 decades ago.

 

[AZOrange]

I think the complaint here is that a bunch of ham and egger type teams are in bowls, teams that we've either beaten or were competitive with - and those programs scheduled to help them play in the bowl season.

Did we really want to keep playing/watching this year?!?Popcorn and soda

 

[billsin01]

More moral victories in losses...LMAO! And packing the Dome with LSU fans or opposing fans isn't "packing the Dome" helping SU

I'm pretty sure scheduling only teams you are sure to beat (and by the way we'll eventually lose one of those games) is pretty much the ultimate moral victory. 'Hey we just pounded Maine Central 77-14!! Our record says we're 3-0! We're awesome!'

Again, I'm fine with adjusting how we schedule but going 4-8 this year had more to do with a handful of issues and scheduling wasn't one of them (again, unless you're with your chest puffed out at 6-7 with four wins over fcs teams).

 

[Scooch]

When was the last time we actually did that?? Beat a good team in the OOC?
Nebraska was over 3 decades ago.

Missouri 2012.

 

[billsin01]

Winning seasons put season ticket holders in seats. Losing games to marquee teams perpetuates casual fans buying single game tickets and the idea we'll never be good.

MTSU was a random selection -- if you'd rather a different team that works better for the example then sub them in.

See I'm not sure I buy this logic above.

A) no one is saying frontload the schedule with huge names. I think playing one really good name school is fun but whatever, generally I think a team that isn't a huge name but is a legit program like Minnesota or Oregon state or Purdue or a school like that is a fun opportunity to potentially grab a solid W. they idea that we shouldn't play games like this is strange to me.

B) being good puts people in seats. winning is great but beating no one and going 3-5 in the ACC every year won't fool people.

C) this program needs casual fans too. this isn't an issue of either/or. Season tix holders are extremely important but the community getting excited and coming to a big game is really important too. One of the few things we know for sure is that this definitely won't happen for no name opponents.

Anyway, I'm fine with however they schedule -- if they want to play dregs and we hammer them, go whatever in conference and play a random bowl on dec. 27 in some southernish state, that's cool. I really mean it. I'm fine with that. if they want a tougher schedule OOC I'm fine with it as long as it's not a murderer's row.

I guess my thoughts are that I'm not entirely sure playing no one accomplishes what people think it does AND I tend to enjoy a good game against a solid opponent. I LOVED that va tech w this. I just hope we get to that point -- however we get there -- that we view a matchup with Missouri out of conference as an opportunity rather than a terrible strategic direction for the program.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I've said this a few times, but everyone needs always keep it in mind. We HAVE to play one OOC from a Power 5. I don't know if we get fined or what the penalties are, but that's the agreement.

Yeah, but we should be able to predict several years out with perfect accuracy which P5s are going to be punching bags, and those are the only ones we should play!

 

[billsin01]

Snark aside, I do understand what people are saying and I don't totally disagree. Just saying that it's not a cure-all.

We gutted out mediocre bowls in 2012 and 2013 and our recruiting was still lacking.

This^. I'm fine with mediocre bowls (a discussion for a different day is what the ceiling is for this program, but why start a meltdown) particularly vs what we've had. But that doesn't in and of itself put your program in a better spot. It's a good thing but you've still got to build on it.

 

[721Comstock]

Missouri 2012.

Yes - and we also LOST to Northwestern, USC, and Minnesota that year, starting off at 1-3.
Yay! We went 1 for 4 against the 'name' P5 OOC teams we played that year - yippee for us!

Our best team in over a decade, done in by moronic scheduling.

Imagine what going 3-1 or 4-0, instead of 1-3 might have done for our program's perception and trajectory?
We may have been ranked that year, for the first time in forever, for one thing.
But alas, we'll never know now.

As awesome as putting that beatdown on WVU in the Pinstripe bowl was, we could have been playing in a major New Year's bowl had we not scheduled so stupidly.

 

[Chip]

Yeah, but we should be able to predict several years out with perfect accuracy which P5s are going to be punching bags, and those are the only ones we should play!

That's why you play the odds and schedule Rutgers home and away forever.

 

[Cuse'91]

We play in a South-centric conference, no need to play a SEC team ooc...
We appear to be heavily recruiting the Mid-West, so schedule Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, or Indiana for a P5 out of conference game.
Throw in a couple of FCS teams, and a UCONN... Done and Done...

 

[orange79]

We play in a South-centric conference, no need to play a SEC team ooc...
We appear to be heavily recruiting the Mid-West, so schedule Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, or Indiana for a P5 out of conference game.
Throw in a couple of FCS teams, and a UCONN... Done and Done...

Only one of these would count towards bowl eligibility.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Only one of these would count towards bowl eligibility.

Hehe

 

[TCuse99]

Thank you! Our OOC lineup is perfect. Don't understand the negativity with it. 3 winnable, 2 potentially entertaining games, and an epic, once in a lifetime road game @LSU. if you are a true fb fan this increases your Heart rate and hopefully makes you think about a roadie to arguably THE best college fb venue in the nation

Some people don't get it. U won't convince them. I've been a season ticket holder forever, and a donor just as long. Give me a good OOC game all day every day. Sports are about entertainment

 

[Cuse'91]

Only one of these would count towards bowl eligibility.

For the division we play in, we should get a special variance to have 2 fcs games count toward bowl eligibility...

 

[billsin01]

Yes - and we also LOST to Northwestern, USC, and Minnesota that year, starting off at 1-3.
Yay! We went 1 for 4 against the 'name' P5 OOC teams we played that year - yippee for us!

Our best team in over a decade, done in by moronic scheduling.

Imagine what going 3-1 or 4-0, instead of 1-3 might have done for our program's perception and trajectory?
We may have been ranked that year, for the first time in forever, for one thing.
But alas, we'll never know now.

As awesome as putting that beatdown on WVU in the Pinstripe bowl was, we could have been playing in a major New Year's bowl had we not scheduled so stupidly.

But we lost by a score to a Minnesota team that finished 6-7 and won just two games in the big 10 and came within a point of beating a really good NW team.

I mean even with our 'moronic' scheduling (and I'd agree we don't really need four games like that) we still very easily could have gotten to nine regular season wins. Very easily.

 

[Ish88888]

Some people don't get it. U won't convince them. I've been a season ticket holder forever, and a donor just as long. Give me a good OOC game all day every day. Sports are about entertainment

Sports are entertainment and yes, i love the big OOC games. In the end, its always about the ride, rather than the end game. Its like that in every sport. Think about it.

 

[TheCusian]

You guys don't pay attention. We've beaten crap teams and no one cares. I'm not saying that's not reason to schedule crap teams, but the SU fan base knows what's what.

2 years ago we were 3-0 against cupcakes and then played LSU. What was the attendance for that?

I agree that we need to win but winning against nobodies does not excite our fan base.

Yeah - but this fanbase refuses to admit that we're not the team we were. Winning vs lame teams is good - regardless of what casual friends want to see.