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Frank Howard Suspended

It’s indefinite if you tamper...
If you tamper you are out for the entire NCAA competition. Thus Frank would be done.
No need to call it indefinite if he tampered.
Plus he couldn’t have tampered with an NCAA test as they can’t test till after games.
The failure would have to have been a Syracuse test.
 
... Syracuse wouldn’t have traveled Frank to Salt Lake City if he failed a Syracuse test.

Not necessarily. In some drug testing situations, a urine sample is split in two. If the first split sample tests positive, a second test is performed on the second split sample by a different lab, as a cautionary check, in case the first lab made an error of any sort. IF the DO’s story is accurate, maybe Frank traveled to SLC with the team while the second test results were still pending; but when the second test confirmed the first test, some time today, the suspension was imposed. I don’t have any inside info, and hope the DO got it wrong. Unfortunately, it doesn’t look good for Frank at this point.
 
Until last weekend the majority of the board thought we were better with Tyus and Buddy. I get it, we’re down a body, but there are still games to be played and we can win without Frank. His play in the ACC tournament was an outlier this year.
What about his play in the NCAAT last year dude.

This is a crushing blow. Most teams don’t lose a senior who won them 3 tournament games the year before a day before the first game.

This is as bad as Fab and Arinze if you know the game. He was finally back to himself.


That said we are Syracuse and have some damn good players that have for the most part underachieved this year and something like this can light a fire and get guys to kick it up a notch. We still have a very good team on the floor. I don’t know the exact coaching adjustments but Frankie isn’t perfect and we can play to the other players strengths. Don’t underestimate a guy like Jalen now getting 10-15 impact minutes. Etc etc.
 
If you tamper you are out for the entire NCAA competition. Thus Frank would be done.
No need to call it indefinite if he tampered.
Plus he couldn’t have tampered with an NCAA test as they can’t test till after games.
The failure would have to have been a Syracuse test.

The NCAA tests year-round.
 
What about his play in the NCAAT last year dude.

This is a crushing blow. Most teams don’t lose a senior who won them 3 tournament games the year before a day before the first game.

This is as bad as Fab and Arinze if you know the game. He was finally back to himself.


That said we are Syracuse and have some damn good players that have for the most part underachieved this year and something like this can light a fire and get guys to kick it up a notch. We still have a very good team on the floor. I don’t know the exact coaching adjustments but Frankie isn’t perfect and we can play to the other players strengths. Don’t underestimate a guy like Jalen now getting 10-15 impact minutes. Etc etc.
Frank hasn’t been the same player this year that he was last season. Let’s be honest with ourselves, he’s our guy so we root like hell for him, but we had no clue what Frank Howard was going to show up tomorrow.
 
What about his play in the NCAAT last year dude.

This is a crushing blow. Most teams don’t lose a senior who won them 3 tournament games the year before a day before the first game.

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This is as bad as Fab and Arinze if you know the game. He was finally back to himself.


That said we are Syracuse and have some damn good players that have for the most part underachieved this year and something like this can light a fire and get guys to kick it up a notch. We still have a very good team on the floor. I don’t know the exact coaching adjustments but Frankie isn’t perfect and we can play to the other players strengths. Don’t underestimate a guy like Jalen now getting 10-15 impact minutes. Etc etc.

I wouldn’t compare it to 2010 & 2012 since this team has nowhere near the same prospects.
 
What about his play in the NCAAT last year dude.

This is a crushing blow. Most teams don’t lose a senior who won them 3 tournament games the year before a day before the first game.

Frank averaged under 10 ppg, shot under 33%, was 3-14 from 3 and had 11/8 A/TO ratio. To say he won them 3 tournament games is hilarious. He played good D and made a few shots but overall was not exactly great.
 
My guess is that over the weekend they did dip urine tests on the players and Frank submitted a positive test. When a positive occurs, it's possible that they send the urine sample to a commercial lab for GC/MS testing in the hopes that it is a false positive. False positives are extremely unlikely, even on cheap, easily available dip tests. This step may take a few days and may explain why Chewy said they knew several days ago (positive dip test) but Tyus and Eli didn't know until today (lab results confirming the positive dip test) that Frank wouldn't be playing.

Most recreational drugs (except marijuana) would be out of his system in 2 to 3 days. If the result was positive for marijuana, and you request it, the lab can also provide a THC level in the urine, which will help you determine if the subject is likely to be able to submit a negative test soon, or remain positive for the presence of THC for longer if he were a chronic user or used a very large amount. For an overweight, low activity, chronic user residual THC could remain in your system such that you could continue to test positive for up to 30 days. An elite Division I athlete with extremely low body fat and who smoked one time briefly should test negative for THC in a matter of days, assuming he doesn't keep smoking.
 
What some people don’t realize is that the NCAA can’t suspend you for failing a drug test for a non ncaa sanction game. ACC games are not ncaa sanctioned games.

He could have failed tests earlier, alerting them that he may need to be tested post NCAA event.
but if it's something along these lines still seems odd SU would let him travel
 
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/f...pionship_Site_Coordinator_Manual_20180710.pdf

NCAA only tests at its sanctioned championship events.
The rules dictate when you can get tested.
Since Syracuse plays tomorrow they could get tested after the game tomorrow.
After each round they can get tested at the NCAA’s discretion.
The NCAA can’t drug test during the regular season.

"All student-athletes are subject to drug testing before, during or after their competitive season."
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/belm/genrel/auto_pdf/ncaa-drug-testing-info.pdf
 
He hired an agent?
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What some people don’t realize is that the NCAA can’t suspend you for failing a drug test for a non ncaa sanction game. ACC games are not ncaa sanctioned games.

He could have failed tests earlier, alerting them that he may need to be tested post NCAA event.
Those would be Syracuse tests not NCAA tests.
The NCAA isn’t going to test after a regular season games. They have no jurisdiction or standing for non-NCAA tournament games.
Syracuse likely tested during the season and could do whatever they want with the results. They just have to follow NCAA rules with positive tests and inform the players families. We didn’t do that previously and got dinged for it when the sanctions were levied.
Now if we know a player won’t pass an NCAA test we shouldn’t play them but if we know Frank will fail he should be ruled out and not indefinitely suspended.
 
What some people don’t realize is that the NCAA can’t suspend you for failing a drug test for a non ncaa sanction game. ACC games are not ncaa sanctioned games.

He could have failed tests earlier, alerting them that he may need to be tested post NCAA event.

Right, otherwise we'd be hearing about failed tests all the time, and not just in the Mitch McGary situation.

I wonder if the NCAA, or Drug Sport, is able to keep the results private and away from the university, so as not to tip them off, and thus creating some rather unwelcome phone calls to the participating schools in the days surrounding Selection Sunday.
 
"All student-athletes are subject to drug testing before, during or after their competitive season."
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/belm/genrel/auto_pdf/ncaa-drug-testing-info.pdf
https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/SSI2018-19_Drug_Testing_Program_Protocol_20180706.PDF

5.2.1.1. For on-campus year-round testing, student-athletes will be notified in person or by direct telephone communication, of the date, time to report and location of the testing event and

will read and sign the NCAA Student-Athlete Notification Form.
 
https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/SSI2018-19_Drug_Testing_Program_Protocol_20180706.PDF

5.2.1.1. For on-campus year-round testing, student-athletes will be notified in person or by direct telephone communication, of the date, time to report and location of the testing event and

will read and sign the NCAA Student-Athlete Notification Form.
I’m not quite sure what argument you are trying to make at this point. Are you still trying to convince yourself the DO is wrong and Frank didn’t fail a drug test?
 
I’m not quite sure what argument you are trying to make at this point. Are you still trying to convince yourself the DO is wrong and Frank didn’t fail a drug test?
If Frank failed a drug test the semantics of an indefinite suspension make no sense.
He is done if he failed a drug test. Why the school is being coy about that is weird. The school doesn’t need to say why he is suspended but a failed test isn’t an indefinite suspension it’s a one year suspension which ends Frank’s career.
If he tampered with a NCAA test which again doesn’t make sense they didn’t play then he would be ineligible for the entire tournament.
 
If Frank failed a drug test the semantics of an indefinite suspension make no sense.
He is done if he failed a drug test. Why the school is being coy about that is weird. The school doesn’t need to say why he is suspended but a failed test isn’t an indefinite suspension it’s a one year suspension which ends Frank’s career.
If he tampered with a NCAA test which again doesn’t make sense they didn’t play then he would be ineligible for the entire tournament.

So in other words, you believe the DO is wrong.
 
If Frank failed a drug test the semantics of an indefinite suspension make no sense.
He is done if he failed a drug test. Why the school is being coy about that is weird. The school doesn’t need to say why he is suspended but a failed test isn’t an indefinite suspension it’s a one year suspension which ends Frank’s career.
If he tampered with a NCAA test which again doesn’t make sense they didn’t play then he would be ineligible for the entire tournament.
AO still might play in the NCAA tournament. We play games with this stuff all the time. Why tell a future opponent he’s out for sure?
 
AO still might play in the NCAA tournament. We play games with this stuff all the time. Why tell a future opponent he’s out for sure?
We lied about AO to protect the 1 seed from the committee.
When Fab Melo was ineligible in 2012 it was stated that Wednesday.
The telling future opponents idea is just not going to make a difference
Protecting confidentiality is fine but calling this an indefinite suspension is just stupid when it’s not true if it’s drug suspension..
 

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