Freeh Report confirms the worst

[Crusty]

I stopped reading the report half way through because I could not stand any more. It is really inconceivable that four of the most powerful university officials could be so. well... corrupt.

To be fair, it is commendable that PSU hired Freeh to do this exhaustive report. I conceive that it could be any worse and PSU did the right thing in getting it all out.

I also don't see how the NCAA can ignore this and not assess severe sanctions of some kind.

PSU did not comply (or even try to comply) with the Clery Act (reporting of sexual abuse on campus) and they face discipline from the Department of Education.

It is time for Penn State to quietly take down that statue.

 

[FAL]

Funny you should mention the statue. I saw on TV this morning what appeared to be some sort of frescoes on the side of their stadium of JoePa and players. Wonder if that goes, too. Pretty sad affair

 

[RF2044]

I stopped reading the report half way through because I could not stand any more. It is really inconceivable that four of the most powerful university officials could be so. well... corrupt.

To be fair, it is commendable that PSU hired Freeh to do this exhaustive report. I conceive that it could be any worse and PSU did the right thing in getting it all out.

I also don't see how the NCAA can ignore this and not assess severe sanctions of some kind.

PSU did not comply (or even try to comply) with the Clery Act (reporting of sexual abuse on campus) and they face discipline from the Department of Education.

It is time for Penn State to quietly take down that statue.

Sadly, the report confirms everything that I suspected about how Paterno / Penn State officials handled this situation. Namely:

• They tried to sweep it under the rug to avoid bad publicity, and oddly, to protect Sandusky [JoePa's friend] from prosecution
• Sandusky's resignation enabled him to save face
• Paterno was more concerned about a pedophile than he was about children who'd been sexually molested
• Despite the fact that they all knew about Sandusky's predilection, he was allowed to use Penn State football facilities for more than a decade after the situation came to light in order to cultivate new victims

Unconscionable.

 

[44PRIDE]

JoePa was the figurehead of this program for the past half century. He will be the figurehead of its downfall. In order to whitewash itself of this situation, it wouldn't surprise me to see them whitewash themselves of the Paterno legacy. Statue, library and all...

This is an epic fall from grace.

 

[rrlbees]

No doubt MANY more people knew than just the few being targeted. Other coaches, family including Jay,BOT members, 2nd mile admins PedSt admins, big donors, etc.


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[rrlbees]

Sadly, the report confirms everything that I suspected about how Paterno / Penn State officials handled this situation. Namely:

• They tried to sweep it under the rug to avoid bad publicity, and oddly, to protect Sandusky from prosecution
• Sandusky's resignation enabled him to save face
• Paterno was more concerned about a pedophile than he was about children who'd been sexually molested
• Despite the fact that they all knew about Sandusky's predilection, he was allowed to use Penn State facilities for more than a decade after the situation came to light in order to cultivate new victims

Unconscionable.

Maybe you did, but I remember very few people condemning Paterno or PedSt.

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[orangeinohio]

The kicker is that, in light of all of us, you're still not hearing any apologies or acknowledgments of wrong doing from any of the involved.
Paterno wrote in that ridiculous letter that was released yesterday - "This is not a football scandal and should not be treated as one."
It's like a scene from North Korea.

 

[Orangemen]

And still, donations to Penn State are the 2nd highest that they have ever been.

Who cares if some innocent kids lives were ruined- as long the football team makes the Rose Bowl every few years.

 

[OttosBestFriend]

So who wants Penn State in the ACC now?

 

[Moontan]

No doubt MANY more people knew than just the few being targeted. Other coaches, family including Jay,BOT members, 2nd mile admins PedSt admins, big donors, etc.

Which is why my previously posted minimum penalty (assuming that the death penalty was not going to be levied) includes banishment of all coaches during (and following) the Sandusky era from the PSU staff.

 

[kcsu]

The administration should move quickly to distance itself from the past including and most importantly Paterno. Anything short and they will bear this cross forever.

 

[omniorange]

Joe Schad ‏@schadjoe
NCAA wants response from PSU now but experts don't think Freeh Report shows evidence of NCAA-defined LOI Control

Oh Lord


Cheers,
Neil

 

[OrangePA]

I stopped reading the report half way through because I could not stand any more. It is really inconceivable that four of the most powerful university officials could be so. well... corrupt.

To be fair, it is commendable that PSU hired Freeh to do this exhaustive report. I conceive that it could be any worse and PSU did the right thing in getting it all out.

I also don't see how the NCAA can ignore this and not assess severe sanctions of some kind.

PSU did not comply (or even try to comply) with the Clery Act (reporting of sexual abuse on campus) and they face discipline from the Department of Education.

It is time for Penn State to quietly take down that statue.

For me the biggest idiot in this whole episode was the contract investigator for Centre County Children and Youth Services, John Seasock - remember that name!!!.

It was John Seasock who concluded in 1998 that there was no evidence that Jerry Sandusky was a pedophile. It was John Seasock who basically eliminated the possibility of prosecution by concluding that there was no indication that the young boy was being "groomed for sexual victimization" even though Sandusky had showered with the kid, had bear hugged the kid in the shower, had kissed the kid on the head, had uttered "I love you" in the shower and had thereafter pursued the kid in a very unusual manner for an adult male.

It seems to me that John Seasock gave everybody cover - the DA and the University.

That guy should be found and exposed further for failing completely to meet his responsibilities.

In my opinion John Seasock is the guy who bears much of the blame because he seemingly derailed what other intelligent and insightful people were trying to do.

I wonder if John Seasock is/was a Penn State football fan or a season ticket holder.

Yuck.

 

[sutomcat]

For me the biggest idiot in this whole episode was the contract investigator for Centre County Children and Youth Services, John Seasock - remember that name!!!.

It was John Seasock who concluded in 1998 that there was no evidence that Jerry Sandusky was a pedophile. It was John Seasock who basically eliminated the possibility of prosecution by concluding that there was no indication that the young boy was being "groomed for sexual victimization" even though Sandusky had showered with the kid, had bear hugged the kid in the shower, had kissed the kid on the head, had uttered "I love you" in the shower and had thereafter pursued the kid in a very unusual manner for an adult male.

It seems to me that John Seasock gave everybody cover - the DA and the University.

That guy should be found and exposed further for failing completely to meet his responsibilities.

In my opinion John Seasock is the guy who bears much of the blame because he seemingly derailed what other intelligent and insightful people were trying to do.

I wonder if John Seasok is/was a Penn State football fan or a season ticket holder.

Yuck.

Could this guy also be a monster truck driver of some reknown?

 

[rrlbees]

Joe Schad ‏@schadjoe
NCAA wants response from PSU now but experts don't think Freeh Report shows evidence of NCAA-defined LOI Control

Oh Lord


Cheers,
Neil

Those experts need to read the morals and ethics part of the NCAA manual.

 

[kingtidge]

For me the biggest idiot in this whole episode was the contract investigator for Centre County Children and Youth Services, John Seasock - remember that name!!!.

It was John Seasock who concluded in 1998 that there was no evidence that Jerry Sandusky was a pedophile. It was John Seasock who basically eliminated the possibility of prosecution by concluding that there was no indication that the young boy was being "groomed for sexual victimization" even though Sandusky had showered with the kid, had bear hugged the kid in the shower, had kissed the kid on the head, had uttered "I love you" in the shower and had thereafter pursued the kid in a very unusual manner for an adult male.

It seems to me that John Seasock gave everybody cover - the DA and the University.

That guy should be found and exposed further for failing completely to meet his responsibilities.

In my opinion John Seasock is the guy who bears much of the blame because he seemingly derailed what other intelligent and insightful people were trying to do.

I wonder if John Seasok is/was a Penn State football fan or a season ticket holder.

Yuck.

There's certainly plenty of blame to go around, but John Seacock does not exonerate Paterno or the administration and their cover-up.

 

[OrangePA]

There's certainly plenty of blame to go around, but John Seacock does not exonerate Paterno or the administration and their cover-up.

No it does not exonerate others with respect to what happened in later years.

That's not the point.

Seasock's ridiculous conclusion gave others within the University some form of cover - at best it allowed others to essentially look the other way.

Think about it.

The so-called expert declares that Sandusky is not a pedophile and did nothing sexual to the kid.

What is the DA to do with that? Prosecute the guy?

And what is the University to do at that point?

I was surprised to learn that Sandusky retired before the May, 1998 incident.

I still suspect that his decision to retire and the decision not to make him HC had something to do with his odd relationship with boys.

 

[rrlbees]

No it does not exonerate others with respect to what happened in later years.

That's not the point.

Seasock's ridiculous conclusion gave others within the University some form of cover - at best it allowed others to essentially look the other way.

Think about it.

The so-called expert declares that Sandusky is not a pedophile and did nothing sexual to the kid.

What is the DA to do with that? Prosecute the guy?

And what is the University to do at that point?

I was surprised to learn that Sandusky retired before the May, 1998 incident.

I still suspect that his decision to retire and the decision not to make him HC had something to do with his odd relationship with boys.

There were 3 reports. 2 psychologist reports and 1 police report. This guy was 1 report. The other 2 said the opposite.

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[Chip]

Maybe you did, but I remember very few people condemning Paterno or PedSt.

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Not sure what you mean here? With the exception of the Penn State students, and a few select alumni, I remember just about everyone condemning them. Some people may have taken a little longer in the process to come around, and others didn't like that JoePa was fired by phone (I thought it was great), but in general, I don't know of anyone who didn't think at the end that he was as guilty as the rest of the future jailbirds.

 

[rrlbees]

I was surprised to learn that Sandusky retired before the May, 1998 incident.

That's because they all knew well before the 1998 incident.

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[kingtidge]

No it does not exonerate others with respect to what happened in later years.

That's not the point.

Seasock's ridiculous conclusion gave others within the University some form of cover - at best it allowed others to essentially look the other way.

Think about it.

The so-called expert declares that Sandusky is not a pedophile and did nothing sexual to the kid.

What is the DA to do with that? Prosecute the guy?

And what is the University to do at that point?

It is the point...

What did Paterno and the administration do when McQueery reported Sandusky buggering a kid in the PSU showers a few years later?

Did they sit around and say "It's a lie. Seascock told us he was clean..."?

I think the broader question is how far did Paterno's power in the community really stretch to cover this thing up?

We know that while Curly was his boss on paper, the truth was the other way around... JoePa did as he pleased with impunity in the Athletic Dept.

Could Seascock have been muscled by JoePa and the PSU machine to brush stuff under the rug as well? Did their local power stretch beyond the state college campus?

I don't know if that has any merit in truth but it would not surprise me if so...

This Freeh report is a new pandora's box, and things are going to get a lot worse for a lot of people as this gets dissected.

 

[rrlbees]

Not sure what you mean here? With the exception of the Penn State students, and a few select alumni, I remember just about everyone condemning them. Some people may have taken a little longer in the process to come around, and others didn't like that JoePa was fired by phone (I thought it was great), but in general, I don't know of anyone who didn't think at the end that he was as guilty as the rest of the future jailbirds.

I missed his word "officials" meaning people. I took it to mean PedSt the institution. Many people wanted to downplay the responsibility of the school and some even Paterno, when it was obvious as hell.

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[44PRIDE]

So who wants Penn State in the ACC now?

I would take them in a New York Minute!

 

[javadoc]

Joe Schad ‏@schadjoe
NCAA wants response from PSU now but experts don't think Freeh Report shows evidence of NCAA-defined LOI Control

Oh Lord


Cheers,
Neil

I'm not a lawyer, nor do I have any administrative experience with compliance offices, but I would gladly take up this issue as advocate for the prosecution.

 

[javadoc]

Those experts need to read the morals and ethics part of the NCAA manual.

The Pennlive story ( http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/psu_athletic_staff_knew_sandus.html ) contains the money paragraph, IMO:

It's the first indication in the report that Penn State's "culture of reverence for the football program" contributed to Sandusky being able to molest multiple children over more than a decade.

The criminal and civil courts are the venue for victims to seek relief. The DoE may punish the University as a whole for its failure to report and respond to the situation in accordance with Federal law. What body is uniquely positioned to punish the athletic department - specifically the football program - to address this culture of reverence? The NCAA, through enforcement of its morals and ethics Bylaws.

I have not opined on appropriate punishment, but I am ready to say that if they do not begin very soon to treat Paterno like Ahkenaton, I believe the Death Penalty is warranted.