Freeh Report confirms the worst

[rrlbees]

I understand.

Like I have said, the effort to take action in 1998 - and there were many who wanted to take action - was hurt badly by the report issued by the YSC investigator who concluded that there was no evidence of sexual activity or pedophilia.

And I bet the YSC worked at the pleasure of PedSt.

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[shandeezy7]

well how about Phil Knight recanting his defense of him from PSU's last graduation. That will be interesting to see and this must be the start of his CYA.

Yeah except he says Joe made "missteps" instead of saying "Joe willingly enabled a child molester to continue using his stature in the community and Penn State football facilities to prey on young boys, turning a blind eye to the whole thing."

 

[OrangePA]

And I bet the YSC worked at the pleasure of PedSt.

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The report finds no relationship between the YSC guy and PSU.

I think many in law enforcement at the time were frustrated by a really misguided conclusion made by what was apparently an incompetent investigator.

 

[garnermike]

And still, donations to Penn State are the 2nd highest that they have ever been.

Who cares if some innocent kids lives were ruined- as long the football team makes the Rose Bowl every few years.

The donations report about it being the 2nd highest in PSU history is spin, in and of itself, IMO.
First, I believe that it was released, now, to show alums that their classmates/peers were still feeling good about PSU despite the scandal, and giving to the school.
Second, while the total $ figure collected is accurate and it technically was the 2nd greatest donor year, over $80M came from 1 individual. Remove that person's donations, and it was a dismal giving year, relatively.
And lastly, that one individual was someone who made millions spreading the practice of fracking for natural gas across the Commonwealth, which, while it has helped the state's economy to some degree, has also contaminated water supplies. And then he sold his company to the big petroleum concerns for a monster $4.7B. When I read that, I said to myself that the gods are just not on PSU's side in 2011-12.

 

[rrlbees]

The report finds no relationship between the YSC guy and PSU.

I think many in law enforcement at the time were frustrated by a really misguided conclusion made by what was apparently an incompetent investigator.

Or a bought investigator.

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[rrlbees]

The report finds no relationship between the YSC guy and PSU.

I wouldn't expect it to. The report of what I have read so far is pretty much garbage. A rehash of what people already knew if they had been paying attention. The report appears to have ignored others that were culpable and is protecting them, such as the BOT and politicians. It doesn't go far enough. They should follow the money which will take them not only from PedSt to 2nd mile but also the BOT to 2nd mile and maybe even some of the investigators on the Freeh task.

I'll repeat something that a person at PedSt told me years ago. Joe Paterno is Penn St but he is also Happy Valley.

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[longtimefan]

I think the problem with your observation is that there is nothing in the report or any other report that refers to any known incident before the 1998 time period.

In other words, there was no basis at that time for anybody to say "Hey Jerry I don't know what true or not" since there were no allegations to debate before that time period.

What Bees and I are talking about is really just gut speculation - that somebody knew something before 1998.

No facts, just a gut feeling on my part.

RE: prior to 1998:

This report may lead more victims to come forward. And some of them may have stories that pre-date 1998. Didn't he form his charity in ~1977? In addition, there is the case of his adopted son. I would guess that some of his experiences occurred before 1998.

 

[rrlbees]

RE: prior to 1998:

This report may lead more victims to come forward. And some of them may have stories that pre-date 1998. Didn't he form his charity in ~1977? In addition, there is the case of his adopted son. I would guess that some of his experiences occurred before 1998.

Others have linked the article that talks about the report and how coaches and staff witnessed JS showering with little boys prior to 98. If I was showering with little boys at my place of employment, even if nothing sexual happened, I would be fired. I am sure that there is some statute that would cover a man even being naked with a young child not your own, is a crime.

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[Moontan]

I think the problem with your observation is that there is nothing in the report or any other report that refers to any known incident before the 1998 time period.

In other words, there was no basis at that time for anybody to say "Hey Jerry I don't know what true or not" since there were no allegations to debate before that time period.

How about in 2001, then?

Joe, and the others, knew what the story was. Why did he allow Jerry to keep coming to the football facilities? With kids no less. Why did the PSU president allow him to sit in his box, even up to his arrest?

If what you state about 1998 is correct and he couldn't be prosecuted, there is a good chance (I'm being very nice here) that they knew. Why else would Jerry step down and never coach at the college level again?

In 2001 there was no doubt that they knew and they allowed him to continue.

Methinks more will come out to support the position that they knew in 1998... possibly sooner.

 

[kingtidge]

You really don't get it.

The point of the post - and a crucial notation in the report itself - did you read the actual report? - is that in 1998 when the DA and the police were prepared to prosecute, Seasock issued an incredibly stupid report that would deep six any prosecutorial effort...

Let me ask you a couple of questions.

Suppose you had been the DA in 1998. Would you, in the context of the report issued by the YSC expert, had gone ahead with a prosecution?

And supposed you had been a University administrator in 1998. What action would you have taken in the context of the YSC report indicating that nothing sexual had occurred and that Sandusky was not a pedophile?

Just curious.

I read the report.

So what you are saying... to prosecute in 1998, Seasock's report is the only one that mattered. It wasn't damning, therefore it was the lynchpin in the Sandusky saga continuing...

What about Psychologist Chamber's report that was damning?

That one doesn't matter because it doesn't fit your hypothesis?

If I was a University administrator and saw both reports, I'd be highly concerned - particularly since they came to divergent conclusions... concerned enough to dig deeper.

 

[StealthTurkey]

And after all this, what of the missing D.A.? He started sniffing around and ended up missing, being declared legally dead. They found his car and laptop in the drink. Payoff? Murder? It has rarely been on the foreground of this discussion, but when I heard it a few years ago (when he originally went missing and there was only a whiff of danger at Penn st) it stunk of a cover-up.

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[rrlbees]

And after all this, what of the missing D.A.? He started sniffing around and ended up missing, being declared legally dead. They found his car and laptop in the drink. Payoff? Murder? It has rarely been on the foreground of this discussion, but when I heard it a few years ago (when he originally went missing and there was only a whiff of danger at Penn st) it stunk of a cover-up.

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Regardless of what happened to him ...murder, suicide, ran away, etc., people should ask themselves...why?

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[OttoinGrotto]

Joe Schad ‏@schadjoe
NCAA wants response from PSU now but experts don't think Freeh Report shows evidence of NCAA-defined LOI Control

Oh Lord


Cheers,
Neil

Actually, I'd make the argument that this isn't loss of institutional control at all.

The institution was controlled extremely well.

For all the wrong things.

 

[baggerbob]

After reading the article from Jen Engle, I've changed my mind on the death penalty the program does need to be shut down. The people at Penn St still don't get it, they should be the ones demanding that the program take a hiatus.

 

[CuseTroop]

bobby bowden says statue MUST come down

 

[Crusty]

For me the biggest idiot in this whole episode was the contract investigator for Centre County Children and Youth Services, John Seasock - remember that name!!!.

It was John Seasock who concluded in 1998 that there was no evidence that Jerry Sandusky was a pedophile. It was John Seasock who basically eliminated the possibility of prosecution by concluding that there was no indication that the young boy was being "groomed for sexual victimization" even though Sandusky had showered with the kid, had bear hugged the kid in the shower, had kissed the kid on the head, had uttered "I love you" in the shower and had thereafter pursued the kid in a very unusual manner for an adult male.

It seems to me that John Seasock gave everybody cover - the DA and the University.

That guy should be found and exposed further for failing completely to meet his responsibilities.

In my opinion John Seasock is the guy who bears much of the blame because he seemingly derailed what other intelligent and insightful people were trying to do.

I wonder if John Seasock is/was a Penn State football fan or a season ticket holder.

Yuck.

Seascok was lied to by the PSU police and the local police. He did not have all the facts and therefore had no legal basis to proceed. There were articles about him last November. He si retired now and the stories were generally sympathetic to him because the police treated him like a mushroom - they keep him in the dark and heaped BS on him.

 

[rrlbees]

Seascok was lied to by the PSU police and the local police. He did not have all the facts and therefore had no legal basis to proceed. There were articles about him last November. He si retired now and the stories were generally sympathetic to him because the police treated him like a mushroom - they keep him in the dark and heaped BS on him.

Because the coverup went far and wide.

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[JD]

bobby bowden says statue MUST come down

That's something coming from Bobby not exactly a king of moral behavior at Free Shoe University.

 

[javadoc]

That's something coming from Bobby not exactly a king of moral behavior at Free Shoe University.

Free shoes? Really? A reasonable argument can be made that NCAA regulations in the realm of athlete compensation are ridiculous, and the issue of disobeying an unreasonable rule is a moral gray area, at worst.

Let's not conflate PedSt with ultimately inconsequential violations of the NCAA's miserly minutiae.

 

[rrlbees]

That's something coming from Bobby not exactly a king of moral behavior at Free Shoe University.

Paterno's actions are infinitely worse than anything Bowen did.

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[javadoc]

Because the coverup went far and wide.

The Penn State football program is a polluted garden with malignant weeds.

The criminal justice system is dealing with the weeds.

The Feds may deal with the property owner.

The property owner may do something about the garden. But he let it get to this state, so we're not optimistic about his judgment.

The NCAA must do something about the polluted, stinking soil bed in the garden. This whole damn problem stems from willful failure to act. Grab your freaking shovels and have at it.

 

[JD]

Just saying Bobby should not be throwing stones because his closet is fully of skeletons. Hell no one knows what they would do in a similar situation. You would like to think that you would report it but who knows what would happen when your life's work was threatened. I'm not trying to justify it but just playing Devil's advocate.

 

[rrlbees]

Just saying Bobby should not be throwing stones because his closet is fully of skeletons. Hell no one knows what they would do in a similar situation. You would like to think that you would report it but who knows what would happen when your life's work was threatened. I'm not trying to justify it but just playing Devil's advocate.

There's not a coach that did the things Paterno did. Anything any other coach had gotten in trouble for pales on comparison. They can all throw stones. Btw, the poster may have bern facetious. I don't know if Bowden said that. If he did, good for him.

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[OrangePA]

I read the report.

So what you are saying... to prosecute in 1998, Seasock's report is the only one that mattered. It wasn't damning, therefore it was the lynchpin in the Sandusky saga continuing...

What about Psychologist Chamber's report that was damning?

That one doesn't matter because it doesn't fit your hypothesis?

If I was a University administrator and saw both reports, I'd be highly concerned - particularly since they came to divergent conclusions... concerned enough to dig deeper.

Ugh.

Read it again.

Many felt at tha time that the case should be pursued. But the Seasock report which many found perplexing prevented the prosecution.

Thats not my conclusion - that what the report says.

 

[JD]

There's not a coach that did the things Paterno did. Anything any other coach had gotten in trouble for pales on comparison. They can all throw stones. Btw, the poster may have bern facetious. I don't know if Bowden said that. If he did, good for him.

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Thr problem is there has never been a coach with more to lose in terms of reputation.