FSU Postgame

[longtimefan]

I believe the new PG will help make JJ better. He reminds me of Triche. Has size and most importantly can get to the rack and Ccan shoot. He won't be dribbling around the perimeter like Carlos. Hes a threat that will require attention.st

Carlos doesn't penetrate much because he doesn't have the athleticism to overcome his lack of size. He just gets swallowed up at the rim.

 

[bnoro]

Are you setting us up for him to transfer… I just don’t see a world where him leaving is a good thing. You need an elite PG beside him that will alleviate some pressure. With portal talent significantly down this year, it’s not sustainable to get a PG,C, SF and now SG

If you want a group of guys to play TEAM defense, him leaving is a great thing. He is incapable of playing man-to-man which screws up every rotation and leaves guys open either in the paint or on the perimeter.

Basketball is not a game played solely on offense, which you'd think people would've realized the last few years.

 

[Millhouse]

I can't for the life of me figure out why Leonard Hamilton in the last few minutes of the game didn't double team Starling at the top of the key with like 10 seconds left on the shot clock to get the ball out of his hands, and make Carlos be the playmaker. If they do that, we probably lose the game.

It's pretty wild to me that Hamilton got to coach 1166 games

K, JB, Cliff Ellis, knight, Calhoun,Barnes, Huggins, larranaga, henson, Pitino, Altman, driesell, Williams

More than calipari Sutton Dean Smith

 

[Zelda Zonk]

No one is saying JJ is not a good player or he won't be valuable back here is Sr year. We just need to be realistic that some team is going to look at how he gets to the hoop and scores alot when the matchup works for him, they may feel better about their defense and say we have great rim protectors. They may pay him 2-3X what we are paying because they need that skillset.

Tough decisions are going to need to be made if we should replace JJ with a more well rounded 2 way player or 2 guards that the sum of their parts are better than JJ is for the price... Our Defense is like 300+ ranked, we need to get better on that end.

That's all it is. It's business, not personal...

People are, indeed, saying just that.

 

[bnoro]

People are, indeed, saying just that.

Yeah I'm definitely saying that and I'll stand by it. He's the perfect player for piling up stats on a bad team. He's a terrible player for winning games and making the tournament.

 

[Eric15]

It's pretty wild to me that Hamilton got to coach 1166 games

K, JB, Cliff Ellis, knight, Calhoun,Barnes, Huggins, larranaga, henson, Pitino, Altman, driesell, Williams

More than calipari Sutton Dean Smith

In his defense, when he went to Miami in the early 90s they were absolutely horrible. They steadily improved throughout the 90s and were a Sweet 16 team by the end of the decade.

He had a lot of 20 win seasons at FSU and the best season of his career was 2019-20 which got cut short. They were on pace to be about a 2 seed in the tourney. Obviously I don't disagree that he tailed off at the end similar to JB.

Those are two schools where basketball is an afterthought.

He was also amazing in his role as Bunny Colvin on The Wire.

 

[Dinkyspond]

I just love it when FSU stinks to high heavens in football and basketball. I live in Florida.

 

[Scooch]

It's pretty wild to me that Hamilton got to coach 1166 games

K, JB, Cliff Ellis, knight, Calhoun,Barnes, Huggins, larranaga, henson, Pitino, Altman, driesell, Williams

More than calipari Sutton Dean Smith

In his defense, when he went to Miami in the early 90s they were absolutely horrible. They steadily improved throughout the 90s and were a Sweet 16 team by the end of the decade.

He had a lot of 20 win seasons at FSU and the best season of his career was 2019-20 which got cut short. They were on pace to be about a 2 seed in the tourney. Obviously I don't disagree that he tailed off at the end similar to JB.

Those are two schools where basketball is an afterthought.

He was also amazing in his role as Bunny Colvin on The Wire.

He may have gotten the lonnnnng leash he did because he coached at schools where hoops was an afterthought.

7 seasons as a head coach at Miami before he made his first tourney. 6 seasons at FSU.

37 years as a head coach, 11 tourney appearances, and 8 seasons where his team finished ranked.

He had a couple of nice stretches at FSU, but his overall resume is... fine.

Leonard Hamilton Coaching Record | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Leonard Hamilton Coaching Record

www.sports-reference.com

 

[Irishsecra1]

He held the ball expecting (hoping) to be fouled. I wonder if that was his idea or the coach's tactic.

No clue.
I am just grateful that he did not panic and calmly made those free throws.

 

[baggerbob]

JJ isn't the reason we are losing games. Like last year's team that had to rely on Judah this year's team has nobody on the outside that get a score when we need one. Nobody. Not Carlos Cuffe not Bell nobody. When Taylor or Bell or one of them is on we don't need to rely on JJ as much but that isn't often. He is a great kid and plays his heart out. I wish he could make a foul shot but other than that he's the best we have on the outside. Question. If JJ didn't play this year, how do you think we would have done. Better or worse?

That's not entirely true, Q could and did on occasions, that probably would have been our best backcourt. Judah and Q with JJ as a third guard would have been a good lineup.

 

[Millhouse]

Yeah I'm definitely saying that and I'll stand by it. He's the perfect player for piling up stats on a bad team. He's a terrible player for winning games and making the tournament.

He leads the team in 3pa shooting 26%

How does someone take over five a game?

He's average, he's treated like a star, and he is such a great athlete and is so fast that it's disappointing to see that's all it is

 

[CardiacCuse]

i think JB would have this roster in the tourney this season

(NCAA tourney)

at least before he got lazy his last couple of years...

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Why not play in an NIT should enough teams decline or CBI if Red isn't being fired?

 

[HyattsCuse]

Why not play in an NIT should enough teams decline or CBI if Red isn't being fired?

I’m basing this on your reasoning of “if Red isn’t being fired”.

What’s the point? 4/5 of our current starting lineup won’t be here next year + McLeod. I suppose if they all (or most) united and agreed they wanted to play some more games and Starling/Bell/Cuffe/Petar are down, they could.

I can’t think of any real reason to keep this season going just because Red is coming back.

Selfishly, I’d prefer the staff focus all of their efforts on preparing for the portal and recruiting versus some meaningless tournament with a bunch of guys that won’t be here next year.

 

[CardiacCuse]

I’m basing this on your reasoning of “if Red isn’t being fired”.

What’s the point? 4/5 of our current starting lineup won’t be here next year + McLeod. I suppose if they all (or most) united and agreed they wanted to play some more games and Starling/Bell/Cuffe/Petar are down, they could.

I can’t think of any real reason to keep this season going just because Red is coming back.

Selfishly, I’d prefer the staff focus all of their efforts on preparing for the portal and recruiting versus some meaningless tournament with a bunch of guys that won’t be here next year.

i agree (mostly)

but red still needs to learn how to coach so maybe more experience would do him good

 

[MSOrange]

I’m basing this on your reasoning of “if Red isn’t being fired”.

What’s the point? 4/5 of our current starting lineup won’t be here next year + McLeod. I suppose if they all (or most) united and agreed they wanted to play some more games and Starling/Bell/Cuffe/Petar are down, they could.

I can’t think of any real reason to keep this season going just because Red is coming back.

Selfishly, I’d prefer the staff focus all of their efforts on preparing for the portal and recruiting versus some meaningless tournament with a bunch of guys that won’t be here next year.

Agree 100% with the bolded part.

 

[DomeHolmes]

If you want a group of guys to play TEAM defense, him leaving is a great thing. He is incapable of playing man-to-man which screws up every rotation and leaves guys open either in the paint or on the perimeter.

Basketball is not a game played solely on offense, which you'd think people would've realized the last few years.

Just about every guard and wing on our team plays poor defense. Taylor is supposed to be our “lockdown defender” and he’s not that good either. A lot of these guys wouldn’t look so bad if Eddie would step up and challenge shots just inside the foul line, (where our whole team gets abused), but he is not that mobile, and not a rim protector, and seems to choose not to do it, perhaps to stay out of foul trouble, or because it’s not instinctual for him.

getting beat off the dribble is something that happens to everyone in basketball.

Basketball defense is a team game as you said, and when you get beat to the middle of the court, the center steps up and the wings pinch, and you force the driver to prove he can kick it out to their wing (where there can be an errant pass or missed shot) to beat you. We almost never do that, which leads to easy 10 footers. It’s a team defense issue as much as a JJ issue.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

I’m basing this on your reasoning of “if Red isn’t being fired”.

What’s the point? 4/5 of our current starting lineup won’t be here next year + McLeod. I suppose if they all (or most) united and agreed they wanted to play some more games and Starling/Bell/Cuffe/Petar are down, they could.

I can’t think of any real reason to keep this season going just because Red is coming back.

Selfishly, I’d prefer the staff focus all of their efforts on preparing for the portal and recruiting versus some meaningless tournament with a bunch of guys that won’t be here next year.

Win a few games and avoid a losing record? NIT is like a bowl game and declining invites is dumb. Seniors have all the more reason to play. How did Red declining last year go again we did almost lose to LeMoyne our first game.

Firing your coach is the only reason to decline NIT. The smaller ones depends but this years team getting hot late I'd keep playing.

 

[donniesyracuse]

Why not play in an NIT should enough teams decline or CBI if Red isn't being fired?

A lot of teams would have to decline.