FSU vs The ACC

[kcsu]

That’s pretty much my take. I think FSU and Miami became powers partly because of the 1984 Supreme Court case which eliminated the NCAA monopoly on TV right. But neither school has ever had the natural resources to keep up with the big boys, and as time has gone on and the system further evolved, both of those schools are slowly being left behind.

I don’t think Miami cares; they’ve always had a faculty and administration that wasn’t 100% behind being a football power. But FSU for whatever reasons is desperate to remain a power. It’s not possible though - they are ultimately going to be left behind.

What i don't understand is why FSU actually wants to leave other than it must be 100% about money purely for the capital not for the capital to compete. Let me explain. FSU is in a conference that baring something really strange happening will always send its champion to the 12-team playoff. Many years the ACC might send two teams. In the ACC FSU is always going to be in the hunt for one of the 12 playoff spots.
In the Big or the SEC, they might be in the hunt every 5 years or so if they are lucky. So, either the power brokers at FSU are dumber than I already give them credit for, or this is all about money and not about being in a better position to make the dance.
The reason they got left out of the 4 team playoff this year is debatable but it was according to the committe based on an injury to their star player. Not just any player but their QB. It was also based on injury being one of the criteria that all of the teams agreed should be considered so nothing was really out of bounds.

FSU would be staying in the ACC if all they truly cared about was getting to the dance. This move was either made to appease their BS crazy boosters and possibly by the AD as he wanted to save himself and his job from their rath or it was made because the school simply wants more money.

 

[DoctorBombay]

What i don't understand is why FSU actually wants to leave other than it must be 100% about money purely for the capital not for the capital to compete. Let me explain. FSU is in a conference that baring something really strange happening will always send its champion to the 12-team playoff. Many years the ACC might send two teams. In the ACC FSU is always going to be in the hunt for one of the 12 playoff spots.
In the Big or the SEC, they might be in the hunt every 5 years or so if they are lucky. So, either the power brokers at FSU are dumber than I already give them credit for, or this is all about money and not about being in a better position to make the dance.
The reason they got left out of the 4 team playoff this year is debatable but it was according to the committe based on an injury to their star player. Not just any player but their QB. It was also based on injury being one of the criteria that all of the teams agreed should be considered so nothing was really out of bounds.

FSU would be staying in the ACC if all they truly cared about was getting to the dance. This move was either made to appease their BS crazy boosters and possibly by the AD as he wanted to save himself and his job from their rath or it was made because the school simply wants more money.

Answer: Yes

 

[Cusefan95]

What i don't understand is why FSU actually wants to leave other than it must be 100% about money purely for the capital not for the capital to compete. Let me explain. FSU is in a conference that baring something really strange happening will always send its champion to the 12-team playoff. Many years the ACC might send two teams. In the ACC FSU is always going to be in the hunt for one of the 12 playoff spots.
In the Big or the SEC, they might be in the hunt every 5 years or so if they are lucky. So, either the power brokers at FSU are dumber than I already give them credit for, or this is all about money and not about being in a better position to make the dance.
The reason they got left out of the 4 team playoff this year is debatable but it was according to the committe based on an injury to their star player. Not just any player but their QB. It was also based on injury being one of the criteria that all of the teams agreed should be considered so nothing was really out of bounds.

FSU would be staying in the ACC if all they truly cared about was getting to the dance. This move was either made to appease their BS crazy boosters and possibly by the AD as he wanted to save himself and his job from their rath or it was made because the school simply wants more money.

There’s a bunch of schools that are looking at the BIG/SEC thinking they need to get there to stay competitive without really thinking things through long term. If it turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy and the ACC implodes, I’m really looking forward to UNC - who has run the ACC like its own fiefdom - finding out nobody in the BIG gives a crap about their opinion.

FSU in the SEC is basically Ole Miss/Miss St level. And that might be generous, since Tallahassee is basically in Alabama - typical FSU recruits may prefer to go to Alabama to play for championships.

If you’re trying to make sense of this stuff looking at the long term, it’s impossible. This is all being driven by bat-crap crazy boosters thinking extremely short term.

 

[longtimefan]

There’s a bunch of schools that are looking at the BIG/SEC thinking they need to get there to stay competitive without really thinking things through long term. If it turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy and the ACC implodes, I’m really looking forward to UNC - who has run the ACC like its own fiefdom - finding out nobody in the BIG gives a crap about their opinion.

FSU in the SEC is basically Ole Miss/Miss St level. And that might be generous, since Tallahassee is basically in Alabama - typical FSU recruits may prefer to go to Alabama to play for championships.

If you’re trying to make sense of this stuff looking at the long term, it’s impossible. This is all being driven by bat-crap crazy boosters thinking extremely short term.

At FSU, and too many other D-I "powers", the inmates run the asylum.

 

[All4SU]

What i don't understand is why FSU actually wants to leave other than it must be 100% about money purely for the capital not for the capital to compete. Let me explain. FSU is in a conference that baring something really strange happening will always send its champion to the 12-team playoff. Many years the ACC might send two teams. In the ACC FSU is always going to be in the hunt for one of the 12 playoff spots.
In the Big or the SEC, they might be in the hunt every 5 years or so if they are lucky. So, either the power brokers at FSU are dumber than I already give them credit for, or this is all about money and not about being in a better position to make the dance.
The reason they got left out of the 4 team playoff this year is debatable but it was according to the committe based on an injury to their star player. Not just any player but their QB. It was also based on injury being one of the criteria that all of the teams agreed should be considered so nothing was really out of bounds.

FSU would be staying in the ACC if all they truly cared about was getting to the dance. This move was either made to appease their BS crazy boosters and possibly by the AD as he wanted to save himself and his job from their rath or it was made because the school simply wants more money.

I honestly think it’s about more than just money. Money is certainly a big part if it. But I think it’s more about ego. The FSU big donors just can’t stand the idea that their school isn’t fight it out with Alabama and Georgia and Ohio State and Michigan every year. They feel disrespected.

 

[WoadBlue]

What i don't understand is why FSU actually wants to leave other than it must be 100% about money purely for the capital not for the capital to compete. Let me explain. FSU is in a conference that baring something really strange happening will always send its champion to the 12-team playoff. Many years the ACC might send two teams. In the ACC FSU is always going to be in the hunt for one of the 12 playoff spots.
In the Big or the SEC, they might be in the hunt every 5 years or so if they are lucky. So, either the power brokers at FSU are dumber than I already give them credit for, or this is all about money and not about being in a better position to make the dance.
The reason they got left out of the 4 team playoff this year is debatable but it was according to the committe based on an injury to their star player. Not just any player but their QB. It was also based on injury being one of the criteria that all of the teams agreed should be considered so nothing was really out of bounds.

FSU would be staying in the ACC if all they truly cared about was getting to the dance. This move was either made to appease their BS crazy boosters and possibly by the AD as he wanted to save himself and his job from their rath or it was made because the school simply wants more money.

Many of them are dumber than you may think. They assume that if only FSU had that SEC label and SEC or BT money, they all the time would be as good as Bama has been under Saban. They think that is their birthright, and so they see the ACC as hurting them. And once you assume that that before they joined the ACC they must have won at least a dozen football national championships, you know how right they are. The ACC is holding them down. Outside the ACC, FSU football would be fully equal to Bama football. And because FSU brought all the value to the ACC, which gave nothing back, FSU deserves to walk away paying almost nothing.

You cannot reason with insane. Once they got to that level, they were hopeless.

 

[Toga]

Many of them are dumber than you may think. They assume that if only FSU had that SEC label and SEC or BT money, they all the time would be as good as Bama has been under Saban. They think that is their birthright, and so they see the ACC as hurting them. And once you assume that that before they joined the ACC they must have won at least a dozen football national championships, you know how right they are. The ACC is holding them down. Outside the ACC, FSU football would be fully equal to Bama football. And because FSU brought all the value to the ACC, which gave nothing back, FSU deserves to walk away paying almost nothing.

You cannot reason with insane. Once they got to that level, they were hopeless.

Well then let's just the shiit out of them.

 

[SmilinBob]

When I used to post on Rivals I noticed how big of a phallic thing a lot of fans had. Bigger stadiums and the like and there was simply not a lot of logic to their debates/thoughts in many cases. It was extremely annoying and very difficult just to get a decent conversation going and FSU fans were right up there.

Many FSU fans were embarrassed about being in the ACC and having schools that would play teams "below" their level on the road such as a MAC school or ODU and the like. You could see how they were bothered by the SEC or Big 10 fans regarding things like this.

 

[HtownOrange]

When I used to post on Rivals I noticed how big of a phallic thing a lot of fans had. Bigger stadiums and the like and there was simply not a lot of logic to their debates/thoughts in many cases. It was extremely annoying and very difficult just to get a decent conversation going and FSU fans were right up there.

Many FSU fans were embarrassed about being in the ACC and having schools that would play teams "below" their level on the road such as a MAC school or ODU and the like. You could see how they were bothered by the SEC or Big 10 fans regarding things like this.

Do you mean the same B1G teams that brought in Rutgers in lieu of the annual FCS games? The same SEC teams that play their annual game against an FCS team the week prior to rivalry week?

Yeah, FSU has a complaint. Like you said, without logic.

 

[WoadBlue]

When I used to post on Rivals I noticed how big of a phallic thing a lot of fans had. Bigger stadiums and the like and there was simply not a lot of logic to their debates/thoughts in many cases. It was extremely annoying and very difficult just to get a decent conversation going and FSU fans were right up there.

Many FSU fans were embarrassed about being in the ACC and having schools that would play teams "below" their level on the road such as a MAC school or ODU and the like. You could see how they were bothered by the SEC or Big 10 fans regarding things like this.

That view means those FSU fans see all those losses to Wake in football as the ACC cheating FSU by forcing FSU to play a team far beneath FSU's football godlike status.

Both BT and SEC have long histories of using media to promote the idea that top level football quality must equal very large attendance. FSU fans who have bought into that view thus see FSU and Clemson as the only ACC members who should ever be allowed to win the ACC. Even VT averaging more than 64K in a 66K seat stadium is not fully Big Time in their eyes, because that is well below SEC and BT averages.

 

[Cusefan95]

When I used to post on Rivals I noticed how big of a phallic thing a lot of fans had. Bigger stadiums and the like and there was simply not a lot of logic to their debates/thoughts in many cases. It was extremely annoying and very difficult just to get a decent conversation going and FSU fans were right up there.

Many FSU fans were embarrassed about being in the ACC and having schools that would play teams "below" their level on the road such as a MAC school or ODU and the like. You could see how they were bothered by the SEC or Big 10 fans regarding things like this.

I’ve been to a few Syracuse games at FSU. Tallahassee is kinda like Syracuse, in that it’s 3-4 hours from major cities. The result is a fan base which views FSU as their “pro” team. It was also the least informed fan base I’ve ever seen (just a couple years ago I had two women ask me what conference Syracuse played in, and they were shocked to discover we were in the ACC).

The result seems to be a fan base who follows whatever other fans are screaming the loudest. That’s not usually a recipe for well thought out, intelligent decisions. Apparently in the land of the blind, the loudest idiot is the king.

 

[Toga]

I’ve been to a few Syracuse games at FSU. Tallahassee is kinda like Syracuse, in that it’s 3-4 hours from major cities. The result is a fan base which views FSU as their “pro” team. It was also the least informed fan base I’ve ever seen (just a couple years ago I had two women ask me what conference Syracuse played in, and they were shocked to discover we were in the ACC).

The result seems to be a fan base who follows whatever other fans are screaming the loudest. That’s not usually a recipe for well thought out, intelligent decisions. Apparently in the land of the blind, the loudest idiot is the king.

 

[sutomcat]

I’ve been to a few Syracuse games at FSU. Tallahassee is kinda like Syracuse, in that it’s 3-4 hours from major cities. The result is a fan base which views FSU as their “pro” team. It was also the least informed fan base I’ve ever seen (just a couple years ago I had two women ask me what conference Syracuse played in, and they were shocked to discover we were in the ACC).

The result seems to be a fan base who follows whatever other fans are screaming the loudest. That’s not usually a recipe for well thought out, intelligent decisions. Apparently in the land of the blind, the loudest idiot is the king.

This is all true. Anything negative about FSU is absolutely true.

I have been there a bunch of times. The men like to wear glitter and day glow body paint. Tie women like to wear cowboy hats and cowboy boots. Major role reversals going on at that campus, not that there is anything wrong with that.

Also, their strongest major is Circus.

They have a big circus tent that is always up next to their football stadium. This is where FSU students learn how to put on clown makeup and make animals from skinny balloons. And how to shovel elephant poop.

 

[Toga]

This is all true. Anything negative about FSU is absolutely true.

I have been there a bunch of times. The men like to wear glitter and day glow body paint. Tie women like to wear cowboy hats and cowboy boots. Major role reversals going on at that campus, not that there is anything wrong with that.

Also, their strongest major is Circus.

They have a big circus tent that is always up next to their football stadium. This is where FSU students learn how to put on clown makeup and make animals from skinny balloons. And how to shovel elephant poop.

At least they go to class.

 

[Cusefan95]

This is all true. Anything negative about FSU is absolutely true.

I think I told this story here before, but it applies here. I worked with a guy years ago who had graduated from FSU. He talked about one time when he was a student, and was walking back from the library to his dorm in a heavy rainstorm. While he was walking a car stopped and offered him a ride, so he got in. The driver was Bobby Bowden. My coworker had a very high opinion of Bowden, in part because he’d stop to give a random kid a ride in a rainstorm.

It’s almost like all the class and dignity of the entire institution got buried along with Bobby Bowden. All that’s left now - as you noted - is a circus.

 

[ar inj]

Also, their strongest major is Circus.

They have a big circus tent that is always up next to their football stadium. This is where FSU students learn how to put on clown makeup and make animals from skinny balloons. And how to shovel elephant poop.

FSU is Fredo to me. You can dump on them all you want and I will probably agree except when you knock the High Flying Circus. It is an extracurricular. A very good friend's son went to FSU because of the Circus. It is amazing to watch him perform a triple somersault on the trapeze and he now makes a living in the world of entertainment. Even so, I do feel sorry that he had to go to FSU.

 

[sutomcat]

FSU is Fredo to me. You can dump on them all you want and I will probably agree except when you knock the High Flying Circus. It is an extracurricular. A very good friend's son went to FSU because of the Circus. It is amazing to watch him perform a triple somersault on the trapeze and he now makes a living in the world of entertainment. Even so, I do feel sorry that he had to go to FSU.

I have nothing against the circus. It is just weird. Just like everything in Tallahassee.

 

[orlandoorange]

Lol. This thread is a trip. FSU, a circus that is academically rated above SU.

As far as wanting to leave, it's FOMO of not having enough of something, which is pretty much the driver of all of our decisions.

 

[Cusefan95]

Lol. This thread is a trip. FSU, a circus that is academically rated above SU.

As far as wanting to leave, it's FOMO of not having enough of something, which is pretty much the driver of all of our decisions.

Syracuse is (or has been for a lot of the past two decades - at least) a circus too.

But dammit - its MY CIRCUS!!

 

[WoadBlue]

Lol. This thread is a trip. FSU, a circus that is academically rated above SU.

As far as wanting to leave, it's FOMO of not having enough of something, which is pretty much the driver of all of our decisions.

You make a very good point, part way, about FSU and current academic standing. When the ACC offered FSU, FSU was told that ACC membership would deliver 3 things to FSU: 1) it finally would win football National Championships; 2 ) its athletics department as a whole would stop losing money and become not just financially solvent but would be able to sponsor new sports and have them become nationally competitive; 3) that the university's reputation as just a Gulf Coast party school would be transformed over time so that FSU would be ranked highly with admission to both undergraduate and postgraduate programs selective and esteemed.

The ACC delivered on all 3. How much has all of that been worth to FSU?

 

[SURules]

You make a very good point, part way, about FSU and current academic standing. When the ACC offered FSU, FSU was told that ACC membership would deliver 3 things to FSU: 1) it finally would win football National Championships; 2 ) its athletics department as a whole would stop losing money and become not just financially solvent but would be able to sponsor new sports and have them become nationally competitive; 3) that the university's reputation as just a Gulf Coast party school would be transformed over time so that FSU would be ranked highly with admission to both undergraduate and postgraduate programs selective and esteemed.

The ACC delivered on all 3. How much has all of that been worth to FSU?

Is any of this documented at all?

 

[orlandoorange]

You make a very good point, part way, about FSU and current academic standing. When the ACC offered FSU, FSU was told that ACC membership would deliver 3 things to FSU: 1) it finally would win football National Championships; 2 ) its athletics department as a whole would stop losing money and become not just financially solvent but would be able to sponsor new sports and have them become nationally competitive; 3) that the university's reputation as just a Gulf Coast party school would be transformed over time so that FSU would be ranked highly with admission to both undergraduate and postgraduate programs selective and esteemed.

The ACC delivered on all 3. How much has all of that been worth to FSU?

That's fair. I think fomo on the TV money overrides everything else including loyalty. I don't think that FSU is alone in that regard. I get the argument that the ACC provides an easier path to the playoffs, but when you have a rival school in Gainesville cashing SEC checks I think that all goes out the window.

I think the population shift may have been been a bigger boost academically than ACC membership, sheer numbers allow them to be much more selective. They joined the ACC in 91, since then the state population is up 70%, while NY is up 9%. There's a lot of smart kids applying to state schools in FL. FSU would probably fall in the upper 3rd in the BIG in spite of not being an AAU school.

 

[HtownOrange]

TAMU to the B1G? We've all heard stranger things.

CFB insider claims Texas A&M to Big Ten expansion becomes real-time possibility as conference realignment hits Aggies coast

The Texas A&M Aggies are an interesting team currently situated in the Southeastern Conference.

www.sportskeeda.com

My connections to TAMU are not happy with the UT to the SEC move, but I am not convinced TAMU is ready to pull the trigger. P.S. I don't think TAMU would be a good fit for the B1G, both culturally and in playing half their games north of the Mason/Dixon line, just my initial reaction to the idea of TAMU jumping.

Anyway, FSU may want to wait a bit longer before jumping one way or the other.

 

[SURules]

TAMU to the B1G? We've all heard stranger things.

CFB insider claims Texas A&M to Big Ten expansion becomes real-time possibility as conference realignment hits Aggies coast

The Texas A&M Aggies are an interesting team currently situated in the Southeastern Conference.

www.sportskeeda.com

My connections to TAMU are not happy with the UT to the SEC move, but I am not convinced TAMU is ready to pull the trigger. P.S. I don't think TAMU would be a good fit for the B1G, both culturally and in playing half their games north of the Mason/Dixon line, just my initial reaction to the idea of TAMU jumping.

Anyway, FSU may want to wait a bit longer before jumping one way or the other.

TAMU has an inferiority complex with UT. I just can’t see FSU and TAMU in the B1G but never say never.

Speaking of FSU, they all think they are going into the B1G real soon and can leave the ACC without penalty for the most part as they are the “mighty“ FSU and far superior to anyone in the ACC besides maybe Clemson. I don’t think any of the FSU nutcases have actually thought, do we have the $$ to pay our way out of the ACC? The floor is about $578mm and the ceiling is well over $1 billion. Good luck FSU unless the State of Florida bails them out which it seems their state is unlikely to do. FSU has backed themselves into a corner going “scorched earth” so far that they have to leave the ACC now as anything but there will be pitchforks coming out in Tallahassee. I just don’t see how FSU can leave the ACC as they do not have the money to buy their way out.

 

[DoctorBombay]

TAMU to the B1G? We've all heard stranger things.

CFB insider claims Texas A&M to Big Ten expansion becomes real-time possibility as conference realignment hits Aggies coast

The Texas A&M Aggies are an interesting team currently situated in the Southeastern Conference.

www.sportskeeda.com

My connections to TAMU are not happy with the UT to the SEC move, but I am not convinced TAMU is ready to pull the trigger. P.S. I don't think TAMU would be a good fit for the B1G, both culturally and in playing half their games north of the Mason/Dixon line, just my initial reaction to the idea of TAMU jumping.

Anyway, FSU may want to wait a bit longer before jumping one way or the other.

So all of a sudden, notorious troll Greg Swaim, aka "MHVeer", aka "The Dude of WV", is being cited as a realignment "expert"? What a crock!