Gabe Horan medically disqualified due to concussions

[kcsu]

A GP should not be allowed to make a decision overruling a specialist.
Can you imagine going to an oncologist and being told that you dont require surgery yet you are forced to because your GP is allowed to make the call.

 

[CuseOnly]

SU is not making a medical decision. They are making a risk assessment decision. The specialist who cleared him to play has very little in the way of liability risk with his decision. A university (which is currently being sued by at least one former player for concussion negligence) has enormous liability risk.

It sucks for the affected player, but the protocol has to be followed rigidly. Making exceptions, even though supported with expertopinions, leaves the university open to lawsuits. Google Marcus Clayton to see articles on a lawsuit brought against SU.

There is going to be a flood of litigation soon involving football concussions vs the schools and whether they willfully ignored the risks to player health. Because they have been sued before, SU’s position appears to be proactive.

Doctors shouldn't be making risk assessment decisions, that is an attorney's and an actuary's job. He should be making medical decisions based on facts and recommendations from experts. In the best interest of the kid. If that happens to align with the kid playing again based on having all the information, then so be it.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Shouldn't matter if he was cleared by a specialist in that field.

It does matter as there is a cumulative effect with concussions.

 

[orangemass]

I put up some stats and what you are saying is completely false.

Between 2013 and 2015 there were a total of 27 concussion related DQ's in all of FBS football, 129 schools. FOUR of those were from Syracuse, almost a full 20% of all concussion related DQ's.

That is an alarming stat and it means we are DQing kids that shouldn't be. Either that or other schools are not DQing kids that should be.

If every school had DQ'd kids at Tuckers rate there would have been 4 per school or 520 disqualifications in that time period. If that happened, the NCAA and the school AD's, Presidents and Chancellors would be before Congress to explain why. That would pretty much put a final nail in the College Football Coffin and by default the NFL as well.

Maybe Tucker is just more knowledgeable, smarter and better than everyone else in the field or he just shouldn't be making these decisions and should leave it up to experts.

Probably just a matter of time other schools use that stat against Syracuse during recruiting battles.

 

[CuseLegacy]

I put up some stats and what you are saying is completely false.

Between 2013 and 2015 there were a total of 27 concussion related DQ's in all of FBS football, 129 schools. FOUR of those were from Syracuse, almost a full 20% of all concussion related DQ's.

That is an alarming stat and it means we are DQing kids that shouldn't be. Either that or other schools are not DQing kids that should be.

If every school had DQ'd kids at Tuckers rate there would have been 4 per school or 520 disqualifications in that time period. If that happened, the NCAA and the school AD's, Presidents and Chancellors would be before Congress to explain why. That would pretty much put a final nail in the College Football Coffin and by default the NFL as well.

Maybe Tucker is just more knowledgeable, smarter and better than everyone else in the field or he just shouldn't be making these decisions and should leave it up to experts.

Perhaps that had more to do with the coaching staff and techniques that were being taught during that time period. Remember they had kids wearing those weird looking black rubber helmets because there was a problem.

 

[Bayside44]

I put up some stats and what you are saying is completely false.

Between 2013 and 2015 there were a total of 27 concussion related DQ's in all of FBS football, 129 schools. FOUR of those were from Syracuse, almost a full 20% of all concussion related DQ's.

That is an alarming stat and it means we are DQing kids that shouldn't be. Either that or other schools are not DQing kids that should be.

If every school had DQ'd kids at Tuckers rate there would have been 4 per school or 520 disqualifications in that time period. If that happened, the NCAA and the school AD's, Presidents and Chancellors would be before Congress to explain why. That would pretty much put a final nail in the College Football Coffin and by default the NFL as well.

Maybe Tucker is just more knowledgeable, smarter and better than everyone else in the field or he just shouldn't be making these decisions and should leave it up to experts.

What part is wrong - that we had non- ACC talent getting banged around on a football field? I said our DQ level was higher.

Syracuse took a huge jump in competition level with guys that couldn't compete - they get hurt.

 

[Eric15]

Probably just a matter of time other schools use that stat against Syracuse during recruiting battles.

"Come play for our school instead of Syracuse. Because we don't care whether you'll be able to walk up and down stairs and remember your family members names when you're 50."

 

[cusefan88]

Once you get one concussion your chances to get more skyrocket. And if you keep playing and get more...your quality of life as you get older will not be good.

Once you consider that maybe the doctor is looking out for the players whole life, not just his football life.

 

[RandomGuy]

In the concussion field, there are varying opinions on whether a kid should be allowed to continue playing football. Google it.

A concussion that lasts a month is not the "run of the mill" variety.

With Gabe's mother working in the field, I believe they are uniquely more qualified than most, to decide what is best for him. I feel for the kid, and wish him well. I'm not going to pretend I know what's best for him. Sucks all around .

 

[RandomGuy]

I put up some stats and what you are saying is completely false.

Between 2013 and 2015 there were a total of 27 concussion related DQ's in all of FBS football, 129 schools. FOUR of those were from Syracuse, almost a full 20% of all concussion related DQ's.

That is an alarming stat and it means we are DQing kids that shouldn't be. Either that or other schools are not DQing kids that should be.

If every school had DQ'd kids at Tuckers rate there would have been 4 per school or 520 disqualifications in that time period. If that happened, the NCAA and the school AD's, Presidents and Chancellors would be before Congress to explain why. That would pretty much put a final nail in the College Football Coffin and by default the NFL as well.

Maybe Tucker is just more knowledgeable, smarter and better than everyone else in the field or he just shouldn't be making these decisions and should leave it up to experts.

WOW.

 

[orange79]

I put up some stats and what you are saying is completely false.

Between 2013 and 2015 there were a total of 27 concussion related DQ's in all of FBS football, 129 schools. FOUR of those were from Syracuse, almost a full 20% of all concussion related DQ's.

That is an alarming stat and it means we are DQing kids that shouldn't be. Either that or other schools are not DQing kids that should be.

If every school had DQ'd kids at Tuckers rate there would have been 4 per school or 520 disqualifications in that time period. If that happened, the NCAA and the school AD's, Presidents and Chancellors would be before Congress to explain why. That would pretty much put a final nail in the College Football Coffin and by default the NFL as well.

Maybe Tucker is just more knowledgeable, smarter and better than everyone else in the field or he just shouldn't be making these decisions and should leave it up to experts.

Where did these numbers come from?

 

[OrangeinBoston]

Once you get one concussion your chances to get more skyrocket. And if you keep playing and get more...your quality of life as you get older will not be good.

Once you consider that maybe the doctor is looking out for the players whole life, not just his football life.

Yes, I am very hesitant to question Tucker's decision.

 

[Newhouser]

It benefits the school financially to be overly cautious and college sports is about $. What I think will be interesting down the road is if the dismissals were consistent across the board and not judged on a case by case basis that was skewed by role on the team, etc. Schools can't cite health concerns in one case and then pass on the same exact case because case 2 involves the starting RB.

 

[bigmike]

 

[AAM62]

I think some people here need to take a step back. You guys are mad that 18-21 year olds are being held off of your favorite team as if you're the ones that have to deal with the consequences. Concussions are no joke. It really sucks but unless you have to live with those dire consequences, then maybe you should just chill out.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Where did these numbers come from?

Just from recall, and I may be incorrect, but I only seem to remember one DQ due to concussion during the Marrone years. From the listed "data" it seems the majority were when Shafer was the HC. Might be a correlation there somewhere.

 

[RandomGuy]

Disqualified after concussions, college football players recruited back onto the field

 

[bnoro]

Because stuffing a huge leg into a tiny brace, cinching the crap out of it to make it stay on, then telling him to stay immobile for days is a great tx...

This is a straw man. Obviously Steven's situation was extremely unfortunate but we're talking about disqualifications here, not what happened leading up to it.

But your bias stokes the board dissension and despite your son being disqualified elsewhere you still act like DQs are a problem exclusive to Syracuse.

Would you have continued to push for Steven to play football if he had suffered multiple concussions, including one so debilitating that he suffered for weeks?

 

[CuseOnly]

Where did these numbers come from?

Tracking and handling concussions in college football is left to schools. Doctors think that should change.

No man’s land: When concussions force a college football player to retire

 

[orangepassion]

The specialist who cleared him to play has very little in the way of liability risk with his decision.

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I've seen a couple of people post this and it makes no sense to me. If the specialist clears him, why would he have no liability risk? I'm in the medical field and I doubt this to be the case. That's why I refer someone with an abnormal ECG to a cardiologist. He's the expert there, I'm certainly not. Let him take the liability.

 

[CuseLegacy]

If some of y'all can't have a civil discussion this thread is no longer open for discussion.